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Remember the case of the 20yo kid in Bangkok who, alleging that a bus scratched his Merc drove it up onto a sidewalk & killed some pedestrians? He was mentally f'in ill.

Maybe we should ban cars too?

Are you joking?

Please tell me that you are not seriously comparing owning a car to owning a gun. Are you?

I'm sorry, but if you can't see the difference...

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Agreed. It's a matter of personal choice. Always used within the laws of course. Of course we will always have the PC nazis trying to ram their view down our throats.

As already pointed out many times on this thread, it is not legal for a foreigner to own a gun in Thailand so it will not be within the law.

You are once again wrong. There are some instances that foreigners can own guns. Garro since you know the law so well show me evidence that a person is not allowed to use the gun of a licenced gun owner in there presence. Or are you just assuming that.

:o

You have gone from lies to just absurd.

I take it by your stupid answer that you have no proof.

As Soundman already stated "A foreigner can apply for a firearm license & legally own a gun in Thailand.

Not hard at all if you fit the criteria which I believe is to be over 30 years old, be on yearly visa extension & can prove that you carry over 1,000,000 Baht in cash for whatever purpose, say business takings, or have been the victim of house burglary.

AKAIK a license will not be granted to a foreigner for recreational use of a firearm."

Please find a link for this claim.

You have already shown your willingness to lie in order to support an arguement.

While your at it, I am also still waiting for evidence that I drive/drove without a license.

My evidence was you said you were going to do it in you post. Apprently you lied and didn't.

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Agreed. It's a matter of personal choice. Always used within the laws of course. Of course we will always have the PC nazis trying to ram their view down our throats.

As already pointed out many times on this thread, it is not legal for a foreigner to own a gun in Thailand so it will not be within the law.

You are once again wrong. There are some instances that foreigners can own guns. Garro since you know the law so well show me evidence that a person is not allowed to use the gun of a licenced gun owner in there presence. Or are you just assuming that.

:o

You have gone from lies to just absurd.

I take it by your stupid answer that you have no proof.

As Soundman already stated "A foreigner can apply for a firearm license & legally own a gun in Thailand.

Not hard at all if you fit the criteria which I believe is to be over 30 years old, be on yearly visa extension & can prove that you carry over 1,000,000 Baht in cash for whatever purpose, say business takings, or have been the victim of house burglary.

AKAIK a license will not be granted to a foreigner for recreational use of a firearm."

Please find a link for this claim.

You have already shown your willingness to lie in order to support an arguement.

While your at it, I am also still waiting for evidence that I drive/drove without a license.

My evidence was you said you were going to do it in you post. Apprently you lied and didn't.

Did I?

The link is there for anybody to read.

I mentioned that it was something I would like to do, and wondered what the consequences were.

The same way as I might say that I would like to win the lottery.

If I say I would like an ice-cream, the fact that I don't get one doesn't make me a liar. Does it?

Now I am sure that you are not that stupid that I needed to explain this but you never know.

The point is that I didn't do it despite your earlier claim that I did - so that means that your claim was false.

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If guns are so bad...

:o That's a classic way to start to a sentence! Got any more like that for a chuckle?

How about:

If rape and pillage is so bad...

or perhaps

If the holocaust was that bad...

I'm sure you can find a way to finish those sentences!

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Agreed. It's a matter of personal choice. Always used within the laws of course. Of course we will always have the PC nazis trying to ram their view down our throats.

As already pointed out many times on this thread, it is not legal for a foreigner to own a gun in Thailand so it will not be within the law.

You are once again wrong. There are some instances that foreigners can own guns. Garro since you know the law so well show me evidence that a person is not allowed to use the gun of a licenced gun owner in there presence. Or are you just assuming that.

:o

You have gone from lies to just absurd.

I take it by your stupid answer that you have no proof.

As Soundman already stated "A foreigner can apply for a firearm license & legally own a gun in Thailand.

Not hard at all if you fit the criteria which I believe is to be over 30 years old, be on yearly visa extension & can prove that you carry over 1,000,000 Baht in cash for whatever purpose, say business takings, or have been the victim of house burglary.

AKAIK a license will not be granted to a foreigner for recreational use of a firearm."

Please find a link for this claim.

You have already shown your willingness to lie in order to support an arguement.

While your at it, I am also still waiting for evidence that I drive/drove without a license.

My evidence was you said you were going to do it in you post. Apprently you lied and didn't.

Did I?

The link is there for anybody to read.

I mentioned that it was something I would like to do, and wondered what the consequences were.

The same way as I might say that I would like to win the lottery.

If I say I would like an ice-cream, the fact that I don't get one doesn't make me a liar. Does it?

Now I am sure that you are not that stupid that I needed to explain this but you never know.

The point is that I didn't do it despite your earlier claim that I did - so that means that your claim was false.

I apologize. Maybe you did maybe you didn't. I don't really know. I don't really care. It is irrelevent to owning a gun.

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Remember the case of the 20yo kid in Bangkok who, alleging that a bus scratched his Merc drove it up onto a sidewalk & killed some pedestrians? He was mentally f'in ill.

Maybe we should ban cars too?

You think we should give him a gun?

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Agreed. It's a matter of personal choice. Always used within the laws of course. Of course we will always have the PC nazis trying to ram their view down our throats.

As already pointed out many times on this thread, it is not legal for a foreigner to own a gun in Thailand so it will not be within the law.

You are once again wrong. There are some instances that foreigners can own guns. Garro since you know the law so well show me evidence that a person is not allowed to use the gun of a licenced gun owner in there presence. Or are you just assuming that.

:o

You have gone from lies to just absurd.

I take it by your stupid answer that you have no proof.

As Soundman already stated "A foreigner can apply for a firearm license & legally own a gun in Thailand.

Not hard at all if you fit the criteria which I believe is to be over 30 years old, be on yearly visa extension & can prove that you carry over 1,000,000 Baht in cash for whatever purpose, say business takings, or have been the victim of house burglary.

AKAIK a license will not be granted to a foreigner for recreational use of a firearm."

Please find a link for this claim.

You have already shown your willingness to lie in order to support an arguement.

While your at it, I am also still waiting for evidence that I drive/drove without a license.

My evidence was you said you were going to do it in you post. Apprently you lied and didn't.

Did I?

The link is there for anybody to read.

I mentioned that it was something I would like to do, and wondered what the consequences were.

The same way as I might say that I would like to win the lottery.

If I say I would like an ice-cream, the fact that I don't get one doesn't make me a liar. Does it?

Now I am sure that you are not that stupid that I needed to explain this but you never know.

The point is that I didn't do it despite your earlier claim that I did - so that means that your claim was false.

I apologize. Maybe you did maybe you didn't. I don't really know. I don't really care. It is irrelevent to owning a gun.

Why bring it up then?

You are right though this thread has gone way off topic.

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Garro. Are you pro gun or anti gun?

Don't you think that question shows how ridiculous all this is. That you could even be asking whether someone was pro gun or not. It's like asking, are you pro killing, pro destruction, pro murder...

In America they struggle to find ways of curbing the rise of violent crime... they have kids slaughtering each other in their schools.. and still they scratch their heads wondering what to do about it all. My goodness me, how absurd and stupid is that - it's got make you wonder how these people ever put a man in space.

Got one word for you. Hunters.

Freedon isn't for everyone. Personal responsibility is part of the bargain.

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If guns are so bad...

:D That's a classic way to start to a sentence! Got any more like that for a chuckle?

How about:

If rape and pillage is so bad...

or perhaps

If the holocaust was that bad...

I'm sure you can find a way to finish those sentences!

So I make a point asking if target shooters as in the Olympics are bad and this is your answer? I hate to put it this way but it seems like you have "run out of ammo" for you anti-gun argument. :o

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btw - The Supreme Court of the United States just tossed out the DC handgun ban.

Google it.

Meanwhile I can remember signs in Kennedy airport for over 20 years saying: Possession of handguns is banned in the City of New York.

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For information, what is the average range of the average gun average people may own?

For example, I practice shooting in my backyard, I miss the target, at which distance my bullet is still lethal ?

Most people in this country would own a 9mm. Range - can kill at a mile. 1.6 kilometers. Something to think about.

Practice at a range.

That was my point. Thank you.

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Hello gun lovers,

I ended up purchasing a shot gun for THB 25.000 and for a box of 25 bullets the price is THB 900. the phone number of the shop is (02) 623-8433, (02) 623-7739. I suggest you call the shop as they will be able to explain the procedure of obtaining the gun license to you.

Cheers

Amsterdam

"Box of 25 bullets"

Oh my gosh...they are NOT bullets but with a shotgun they are called "SHELLS"..shotgun SHELLS. If ya bought what looks like a bullet, they are called "SLUGS"...shotgun SLUGS.

You really need to learn more please.

Good luck with your need "bangstick".

You're gunna need it.

From one of those folks who live in the country who put men in space, on the moon ( several times) and placed 2 rovers on Mars. :o

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I hate to put it this way but it seems like you have "run out of ammo" for you anti-gun argument. :o

On the contrary, the anti-gun argument continues every time someone gets shot.

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If guns are so bad...

:o That's a classic way to start to a sentence! Got any more like that for a chuckle?

How about:

If rape and pillage is so bad...

or perhaps

If the holocaust was that bad...

I'm sure you can find a way to finish those sentences!

So I make a point asking if target shooters as in the Olympics are bad and this is your answer?

Sorry to have made light of your point. And what a good point it was too.

So you think that all this wanton destruction is worth it so that we can preserve a game in the Olympics, or as someone else suggested, to protect the rights and freedoms of those who wish to kill furry animals?

Are those activities that important that it's worth the trade off? I guess they are until it's someone in your family that gets blown away.

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I just do not understand.

I worked for over 20 years having to carry a gun.

Now I do not have to and do not want to again. I still own one, but left it back in the US with my brother, a gun collector.

I have taken several human lives. It is horrible. Yes, they were total scum, one was a woman, but still feel horrible about it.

To watch someone die..to see what your weapon did, it's not pretty. It's not clean.

Years after, I still wonder if I did the necessary thing on all but one, where she left me no other choice.

I have to ask though,

Why do some of you feel that a drug crazed nut is going to pick your house to come into? An intruder doesn't necessarily have to be a drug crazed nut.

Why you? Farang = money.

Why do you feel you are going to be the victim of such a crime where the use of deadly force would be needed? There could be many reasons, the obvious one is farang = money. For some it could be a love rival, jilted lover, business associate, problem neighbour, jealous sibling, drug dealer, bookmaker & so on. Or is it.."just in case"? If the law can't/wont protect you - the onus is on yourself. I believe that within reason, one should expect & prepare for the unexpected - worst case scenario.

I'm not being a smart ass or lashing out...I'm just curious.

I respect your views which have clearly been fashioned by your previous employment. However, I wont be swayed by the anti-gun brigade. When I do make the permanent move to Thailand - yes, a gun will be added to the family toolkit, along with an electric perimeter security fence, cctv and other measures - you can't put a price on the security & well being of your loved ones.

I never said I was anti gun. I was actually referring to some of the other posters.

I support the right to own one. :o ( gosh, I'm from the old west for heavens sake, Arizona, where you can still wear a six shooter in public..a friend of mine is even still the Town Marshal of Tombstone. )

Quite the contrary..

I just advise that if you do own one..you do so responsibly. Of course.

Gun, wired fence, cctv and other measures??? What part of Thailand are you moving to???? Most likely Buriram, but as I suggested - I'd employ such measures wherever I land (provided it's within the law of course) ( Sounds like west Los Angeles )

If you are serious about protecting your family from any chance of misfortune then I suggest you avoid cars and airplanes as there is far more risk from this then there is being cornered by a crazed drug fiend in Issan. Thanks, but I'll stay on the roads & keep flying - I'll also keep my gun. Mind you it won't offer the same opportunity to play with guns.

I am so glad that I don't live in a world where I feel the need to imprison my family. I wish I felt the same; sadly I live in the real world - a world of increasing threat. I'll take whatever measures I deem fit & proper to counteract this threat.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this subject.

I think what this thread has shown is different ways people perceive danger and threat.

To my mind, the likes of Clayton seem to live in a world where any number of dastardly deeds might be lying in wait for them around the next corner. He sounds like a man who is nervous and in my opinion, a touch paranoid.

I'm sure he'll tell us otherwise, but he also sounds like a man who has not lived for a long time in Thailand. I remember when i first came to Thailand ten years ago, i felt more vunerable and at risk, just because the surroundings were new and i didn't know what the level of danger was.

Now i do and i can honestly say, i can't think of anywhere safer to be. I certainly don't need a gun.

Of course the doom mongers will say that nowhere is safe. True enough but nobody can deny that some places are safer than others. And seeing that most of us have the economic freedom to decide where we live, i can't understand why anyone would choose to live in a place where it's necessary to have a gun in the home. I suspect the truth is though, these peole would choose to have a gun if the could, no matter how safe a place was, just because they like the feeling of having a gun.

These people would seem to support the idea of us all having guns for protection. Thinking that through, that would surely mean a lot more guns in the world. One in every home perhaps?

I can't help but wonder what sort of world you want your kids growing up in?

Do you have a door, do you lock it, have you got a burglar alarm? I don't consider it being paranoid to use whatever security measures are available; my motorcycle is secured by a disc lock, ground anchor and chain, alarm, the shed containing it is alarmed, I have cctv on the back garden - a gun & an electric fence would just be additional security measures.

I actually agree with you in that I feel very safe in Thailand & unlike yourself, I've never felt vunerable or at risk - but that's no reason to drop your guard. History will tell you that countless champions have fallen through complacency - I don't intend to follow them.

The mother-in-law knows someone who was forced to open her safe at gunpoint. You might be happy to comply in such a situation - I wouldn't. Pop over to the Phuket forum - they're certainly getting worried down there & not without good reason.

Whenever I've been in a position to legally carry firearms, I have always done so & would continue to do so whatever the current security situation.

Some would argue that an armed society is a polite society.

I actually haven't got any kids at present, mostly through selfishness, but partly through my concern that the world in its current state is no fit place to bring children up already.

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