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Maximum stopping power..a 9mm HA!

From the weapons on your list, you should look at the 1911A1.

The 9mm is too fast a round to have any stopping power at all. Normally will go right through and not knock the socks off anyone you shoot except old women and young kids.

The 45 ACP round travels at around 881fps ( i might be off alittle ) and packs a wallop by being a slower round. More tissue damage and shock.

At work 16 years ago,I shot a woman with an issue 9mm ( she was running at me and my partner with two knives in each hand in a kitchen and less than 10 feet from both of us ) and it took 5 rounds center mass before she even dropped. All the rounds went through her like butter. Took her along time to die and chunks of her were scattered on the wall. ( I'm not kidding...)

Another co-worker shot a man from less than 20 feet 6 times and it didn't kill him, with 4 rounds through the chest. ( 2 more went through his arms )

My department looked closely at the 9mm and decided that it didn't have the power, so we up'd to the 40cal. ( Glock 22 )

The next shooting we had with the 40 proved it's worth. ( a 40 is very close to a 45 round )

I won't go into detail.

Things you might wanna consider if using it for home defense;

Who is in your house that you would want to start spraying rounds around, family, children, pets, friends?

What are your walls made of ?

Proximity of neighbors houses ?

Are you ready to kill family, neighbors, or anyone outside your house after the bullets you shoot pass through your house?

HAve you ever handled a semi automatic weapon in a real stress situation, I mean a REAL stress situation where the weapon could stovepipe a round ( any weapon can, dosent matter who makes it ) and how could you manage to clear that weapon if so?

Are you aware of the 21 foot rule ? That is someone can get to you who is within 21 feet before you could use it ( proven fact ) and KILL YOU????

When you talk of home defense, these and other things must come into your mind, right?

Have you ever, ever shot a human before?

Are you ready to prove in court that your life or others were ACTUALLY in danger..the fear of being killed or harmed..remember you must PROVE it.

It's not like on TV or shooting at a range.

You don't fire warning shots.

You bring out a weapon to threaten, by god you'd better be prepared to use it on them.

Excellent post. And l would add that if the OP were in a life or death situation the chances of hitting anyone with your 9mm are very slim. l trained for months and know how difficult it is under no pressure. If you are serious about a firearm for protection only then go for a shotgun. Stay away from Magnums as the rounds can break an engine cylinder block, or if you miss your target will go through your walls and carry on taking out stuff in it's way. But you know, if you have a problem with unarmed yobs and you are over powered they might just use your gun on you. Lastly, target shooting on flat land, the round goes on a long way and can kill the innocent :)

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Hate to burst your bubble, but I haver my doubts as to your knowledge of guns, ammo or ballistics. I shoot a 92sf beretta and own a dozen or more hand guns.

Firstly, a 9mm is a piece of crap when it comes to stopping power. Throw weight is minimal. Only a head shot will stop a man unless a lucky hit to a vital organ,. Brand and bullet makes no difference. It is an archaic caliber. Most All law enforcement have switched to 45 or 10mm. State of the art is Glock. My 45 Glock is the standard for putting down a bad man or a truck. To be sure, just buy a Remington 870 pump or a mag 10 and forget the handgun. If you have no experience forget the handgun completely and go with a shotgun. Guns for self defense are near useless in untrained hands and will get you killed in a firefight.

shit happens fast in 10 seconds at a range of 7 meters or less. Not a lot of time for thinking and aiming. If you must buy a hand gun stay away from the Beretta as it is too heavy and has a sloppy action. Thye Browning is old school single action and was designed nearly 65 years ago. Buy a Sig double action or Glock and don't even think about the clones or China garbage. Good hunting

Thank you all for the info. I think that on Friday I will check out gun row in Bangkok. As said I can not own a gun in Thailand but my wife can. I would never dear to shoot a gun :) . I like the shot gun for home protection but my preference this time is for a hand gun. I have checked on the internet what gun prices are in the US and done the conversion in THB. Here is my list of preferred guns.

Walther P99 THB 25.000

Colt 1911-A1 THB 25.000

Browning M1935 THB 20.000

Beretta 92FS THB 21.000

Taurus PT92 THB 17.000

I am curious to see if these guns are available on gun row. I am realistic that these prices are not the same in Thailand but maybe I should be able to pick one up for THB 50.000.

My preferred 9mm for maximum stopping power.

9mm luger Remington golden saber box 124grain HPJ(+p) 25 rds THB 831

Winchester ranger 147 grain SXT 50 rds THB 831

I don't know if I can find this kind of 9mm in Thailand but would be great to have. Once I have seen the shops in Bangkok I will let you all know what I find out there. I will also check out the gun shop mentioned in Buriram on Tuesday if I can find it.

Cheers

Amsterdam

PS: it is not my intention to start a debate about gun's. I only would like to find out and share information on where to purchase them.

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The guy wants to legally buy a gun for his wife and keep it in the house legally, but if some dirtbag criminal breaks in and he feels threatened, he might be forced to break the law in order to preserve his own life. Why would anyone have an issue with that? :)

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As the 'ol saying goes UG, Better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6.

Thats if he dosen't shoot himself in the foot first.

It's almost been 2 years since this guy wanted to buy a weapon..wonder if he ever did?

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A foreigner (farang :) ) can apply for a firearm license & legally own a gun in Thailand.

Not hard at all if you fit the criteria which I believe is to be over 30 years old, be on yearly visa extension & can prove that you carry over 1,000,000 Baht in cash for whatever purpose, say business takings, or have been the victim of house burglary.

AKAIK a license will not be granted to a foreigner for recreational use of a firearm.

Cheers,

Soundman. :D

Hello Soundman, i know this is an old tread but instead to open a new one, i thought was better to use this one....

Are you aware of any "farang" in our area that succesfully obtained,legally, a firearm? or how can you prove that you have been victim of a house burglary when the police refuse to write down anything about it, despite having the thief confessing what he did.....yes it sounds unreal but this is Thailand, what can we do....

Many thanks

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The guy wants to legally buy a gun for his wife and keep it in the house legally, but if some dirtbag criminal breaks in and he feels threatened, he might be forced to break the law in order to preserve his own life. Why would anyone have an issue with that? :)

Here's my story and I'm sticking to it...

A dirtbag criminal breaks in, and when I confront him, he shoots himself (with the gun that was previously in my possession) because he is so ashamed of his misdeed.

And remember....

Guns don't kill people,

Bullets do~

Edited by Totsagan

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I went to the Korat gun shop to order a Remington 870 Express and was told that the government has a ban on gun sales at the moment because of the Red Shirt problems. When the ban will be lifted he did not know. According to the police owner it is legal for me to shoot a gun that is in my wifes name.

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The assailant was armed. He was in my house. I was threatened and fearful for my life. I overpowered him and in the struggle his gun went off. He stopped fighting, at that time I beleived he was injured by his own gun. Once I had removed the gun from his hand and checked for vital signs (of which there were none) I called the police to report the matter and deal with it appropriately.

that would seem to be the way to go.

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According to the police owner it is legal for me to shoot a gun that is in my wifes name.

and according to a global moderator of this forum, it's legal for a foreigner to own a weapon in his own name, without the need of the wife, so, Mr SoundMan can you substantiate your claims <snip>

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Edited by: Toptuan

Reason for edit: Deleted trollish, inflammatory comment.

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According to the police owner it is legal for me to shoot a gun that is in my wifes name.

and according to a global moderator of this forum, it's legal for a foreigner to own a weapon in his own name, without the need of the wife, so, Mr SoundMan can you substantiate your claims <snip>

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Edited by: Toptuan

Reason for edit: Deleted trollish, inflammatory comment.

He doesn't need to, I will, a farang can own a gun in his own name if he meets the specified criteria, I don't know many, if any, that do.

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He doesn't need to, I will

That's interesting, so how do you get this exemption to proof a claim or state a source? :) normally people that have been asked to proof they are telling something in bona fide have no problems to provide more info, the same doesn't happen with other people just telling b/s for whatever reason they do it

a farang can own a gun in his own name if he meets the specified criteria, I don't know many, if any, that do.

Again Thaddeus, thanks for have taken the time to reply to my question, however, can you quote your source or refer to some official material from were you jumped to this conclusion (which hopefully is not just Mr SoundMan post :D ), thanks all.

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I rarely jump to conclusions.

I am a member of the local gun club here, and I asked the local Police Chief the same question (the gun club is run by the police and it is at the police station) I got exactly the same response as Soundman gave in his post, so I have no need to doubt its veracity.

You won't find any documentation on the internet, not in English at least, apart from endless forum debates about the rights and wrongs of farangs having weapons, so if you require some rock solid proof I would suggest that you go and see your local Police Chief and ask him yourself.

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A farang can legally own a gun it he has a residence permit according to the visa / work permit part of the forum.

Let's rephrase the question: "My wife wants to buy a gun and I want to help her find something that gives good value for money. She might sometimes take the gun to the local gun club where I can legally use her gun in contests."

Edited by myself. I am sorry but I missed the fact that this is a very old and big thread. I'll keep my comment though.

Edited by bow

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Why does everyone think that a farang cannot own a gun here legaly????? I had a Jeans manufacturing business with the typical Partner owns 50%, I had 49% and the Lawyer with 1%.

I could own a gun just the same as I could in Canada if I got the proper FAC and took a course (Safe gun handling also). The only stipulation was I would only be able tpo transpot it in my truck between my Business adress and my house and also to the bank where my Business acount was back to the business adress.

Talk to a lawyer if you meet these requirements. The people who are handleing your wifes gun papaers should be able to tell you all about it.

The cost of owning a legal gun here has gone up from about 40,000 THB 10 years ago to around 100,000 THB now.

In Thailand I would not reccomend a 9mm due to ammo is very expensive and hard to get whereas a .38 is easy to buy ammo and get repaired etc.

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Theres been both good and bad info posted but things have changed. Government representatives went around two months ago confiscating firearms throughout Isaan. Before this most representatives of the Gov like local politicians and village chiefs were armed for security. Much of that was a hangover from Thaksin who armed villagers in his war on drugs.

As long as you have Yellow Shirt connections you can still get guns. If you are married into Red Shirts forget about it unless you want illegal firearms. The days of armed citizenry, a citizenry who can lawfully defend themselves with firearms, is over in Thailand.

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