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Maximum stopping power..a 9mm HA!

From the weapons on your list, you should look at the 1911A1.

The 9mm is too fast a round to have any stopping power at all. Normally will go right through and not knock the socks off anyone you shoot except old women and young kids.

The 45 ACP round travels at around 881fps ( i might be off alittle ) and packs a wallop by being a slower round. More tissue damage and shock.

At work 16 years ago,I shot a woman with an issue 9mm ( she was running at me and my partner with two knives in each hand in a kitchen and less than 10 feet from both of us ) and it took 5 rounds center mass before she even dropped. All the rounds went through her like butter. Took her along time to die and chunks of her were scattered on the wall. ( I'm not kidding...)

Another co-worker shot a man from less than 20 feet 6 times and it didn't kill him, with 4 rounds through the chest. ( 2 more went through his arms )

My department looked closely at the 9mm and decided that it didn't have the power, so we up'd to the 40cal. ( Glock 22 )

The next shooting we had with the 40 proved it's worth. ( a 40 is very close to a 45 round )

I won't go into detail.

Things you might wanna consider if using it for home defense;

Who is in your house that you would want to start spraying rounds around, family, children, pets, friends?

What are your walls made of ?

Proximity of neighbors houses ?

Are you ready to kill family, neighbors, or anyone outside your house after the bullets you shoot pass through your house?

HAve you ever handled a semi automatic weapon in a real stress situation, I mean a REAL stress situation where the weapon could stovepipe a round ( any weapon can, dosent matter who makes it ) and how could you manage to clear that weapon if so?

Are you aware of the 21 foot rule ? That is someone can get to you who is within 21 feet before you could use it ( proven fact ) and KILL YOU????

When you talk of home defense, these and other things must come into your mind, right?

Have you ever, ever shot a human before?

Are you ready to prove in court that your life or others were ACTUALLY in danger..the fear of being killed or harmed..remember you must PROVE it.

It's not like on TV or shooting at a range.

You don't fire warning shots.

You bring out a weapon to threaten, by god you'd better be prepared to use it on them.

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Thank you all for the info. I think that on Friday I will check out gun row in Bangkok. As said I can not own a gun in Thailand but my wife can. I would never dear to shoot a gun :o . I like the shot gun for home protection but my preference this time is for a hand gun. I have checked on the internet what gun prices are in the US and done the conversion in THB. Here is my list of preferred guns.

Walther P99 THB 25.000

Colt 1911-A1 THB 25.000

Browning M1935 THB 20.000

Beretta 92FS THB 21.000

Taurus PT92 THB 17.000

I am curious to see if these guns are available on gun row. I am realistic that these prices are not the same in Thailand but maybe I should be able to pick one up for THB 50.000.

My preferred 9mm for maximum stopping power.

9mm luger Remington golden saber box 124grain HPJ(+p) 25 rds THB 831

Winchester ranger 147 grain SXT 50 rds THB 831

I don't know if I can find this kind of 9mm in Thailand but would be great to have. Once I have seen the shops in Bangkok I will let you all know what I find out there. I will also check out the gun shop mentioned in Buriram on Tuesday if I can find it.

Cheers

Amsterdam

PS: it is not my intention to start a debate about gun's. I only would like to find out and share information on where to purchase them.

Hello gun lovers!!!

so I am back from Bangkok. I found out that most guns go for around THB 80.000+ 9mm rounds are about 40bht each but you can get discount if you buy in bulk :D . A shot gun can be purchased for about THB 30.000. There where a lot of stores I did not count them but must have been 20+. My next destination will be buriram to see what they sell over there.

I am starting to think that the shot gun is a better purchase as we live on 60+ rai. The range of the shot gun is further and the fear effect is greater. I have to admit that the cost aspect has to do with is as well. I think that my wifer might have to change her permit from a 9mm to a shotgun.

Well I will keep you posted on the buriram shops and what the final gun will be.

cheers

Amterdam

I would suggest asking your wife if she wants a shotgun or a handgun if it's to be in her name.

My wife (Thai) can hardly even pick up a neighbours pump action let alone point it in the right direction.

Something to consider if someone should ever get shot as the police are sure to ask just who fired the gun.

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Thaddeus:

I did begin slaying small furry animals at a young age, however, so I am quite adept at that

I do believe in reincarnation as a matter of fact. I want to come back as a bull in Oregon so I can legally have more than one wife that I don't have to support. This would be a delightful change from my current situation of supporting a current wife and two X's. Human wives can't live off the land like moo cows can.

Wouldnt it be funny if he came back as a SMALL FURRY ANIMAL :D:D:D:D:o

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I would suggest asking your wife if she wants a shotgun or a handgun if it's to be in her name.

My wife (Thai) can hardly even pick up a neighbours pump action let alone point it in the right direction.

Something to consider if someone should ever get shot as the police are sure to ask just who fired the gun.

Hi

Don't mess with the boss lady :o

She does not take prisoners!

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TBWG (no life insurance!) :D

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Don't mess with the boss lady :o

She does not take prisoners!

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Does that thing have a kick to it?

Hope she wears ear protection when using firearms.

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Hi

Don't mess with the boss lady :o

She does not take prisoners!

post-24662-1214327491_thumb.jpg

TBWG (no life insurance!) :D

She's probably collecting honey :D ................................

Just killing the bees first :D

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Hi

Don't mess with the boss lady :o

She does not take prisoners!

post-24662-1214327491_thumb.jpg

TBWG (no life insurance!) :D

Bet that gun would stop the flying rats from cr@pping on yer roof, TBWG!!

BTW Tell her if she ever shoots something, to close/open the other eye then you can aim! :D:D

Sniper Dave

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Don't mess with the boss lady :o

She does not take prisoners!

post-24662-1214327491_thumb.jpg

Does that thing have a kick to it?

Hope she wears ear protection when using firearms.

Yup sure does have a kick on it...and would put the boss lady flat on her back if she ever did fire it!!!

Re Dave the Dude .... It would also put a bloody great hole it the roof should I ever decide to use it on the pigeons!! So probably not a good idea :D

TBWG :D (Tall Bloke With Gun)

Edited by TBWG

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I am a member of our local gun club, in fact most of the long stay expats are.

The club is owned and run by the police, we can purchase a fire-arm, but not in our own name, and it can never be taken out of the club...... as it's illegal.

So basically, what you are saying Thaddeus is that while it is illegal for a foreigner to purchase a gun, there are ways around this? I don't think that the OP is interested in keeping a gun at a gun club anyway - at least that's the impression I get from his post.

My wife kindly purchased a gun and gave it to me as a birthday present...So, should I go to police and hand it over, given that now it is technically mine although it lives in her safe, in her house (since I can't own a house either)? Or, should I just say it's hers and I use it every now and then?

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I am a member of our local gun club, in fact most of the long stay expats are.

The club is owned and run by the police, we can purchase a fire-arm, but not in our own name, and it can never be taken out of the club...... as it's illegal.

So basically, what you are saying Thaddeus is that while it is illegal for a foreigner to purchase a gun, there are ways around this? I don't think that the OP is interested in keeping a gun at a gun club anyway - at least that's the impression I get from his post.

My wife kindly purchased a gun and gave it to me as a birthday present...So, should I go to police and hand it over, given that now it is technically mine although it lives in her safe, in her house (since I can't own a house either)? Or, should I just say it's hers and I use it every now and then?

Do what ever you want to do, living here is just one big game of Truth or Consequences isn't it.

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I am a member of our local gun club, in fact most of the long stay expats are.

The club is owned and run by the police, we can purchase a fire-arm, but not in our own name, and it can never be taken out of the club...... as it's illegal.

So basically, what you are saying Thaddeus is that while it is illegal for a foreigner to purchase a gun, there are ways around this? I don't think that the OP is interested in keeping a gun at a gun club anyway - at least that's the impression I get from his post.

My wife kindly purchased a gun and gave it to me as a birthday present...So, should I go to police and hand it over, given that now it is technically mine although it lives in her safe, in her house (since I can't own a house either)? Or, should I just say it's hers and I use it every now and then?

I don't know. I suppose a lot would depend on how much you respect Thai law and how much you want to have a gun. The reference to a house is just idiotic as there is nothing to stop you renting/leasing a house or even purchasing a condo. It would not be possible to do this with a gun.

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I am a member of our local gun club, in fact most of the long stay expats are.

The club is owned and run by the police, we can purchase a fire-arm, but not in our own name, and it can never be taken out of the club...... as it's illegal.

So basically, what you are saying Thaddeus is that while it is illegal for a foreigner to purchase a gun, there are ways around this? I don't think that the OP is interested in keeping a gun at a gun club anyway - at least that's the impression I get from his post.

My wife kindly purchased a gun and gave it to me as a birthday present...So, should I go to police and hand it over, given that now it is technically mine although it lives in her safe, in her house (since I can't own a house either)? Or, should I just say it's hers and I use it every now and then?

Oh you lucky man............ :D

My wife says only she can use my gun :o

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I am a member of our local gun club, in fact most of the long stay expats are.

The club is owned and run by the police, we can purchase a fire-arm, but not in our own name, and it can never be taken out of the club...... as it's illegal.

So basically, what you are saying Thaddeus is that while it is illegal for a foreigner to purchase a gun, there are ways around this? I don't think that the OP is interested in keeping a gun at a gun club anyway - at least that's the impression I get from his post.

My wife kindly purchased a gun and gave it to me as a birthday present...So, should I go to police and hand it over, given that now it is technically mine although it lives in her safe, in her house (since I can't own a house either)? Or, should I just say it's hers and I use it every now and then?

Oh you lucky man............ :D

My wife says only she can use my gun :o

What, no weekends off :D

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I don't know. I suppose a lot would depend on how much you respect Thai law and how much you want to have a gun.

You really do need to get off your high horse regarding "how much you respect Thai law".

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=187158

rgds

Nice to know that somebody reads my old posts. You're not a stalker are you?

The difference with my post was that it was about my wife and I was enquiring about the legality and consequences of the whole thing. She thought it would be fine that she practice in the car before her test without insurance, but I wasn't sure. I also wondered what would happen if a westerner was caught in a similar scenario. I also promptly purchased insurance the next day if you continue trawling through my old posts you will see this.

I suppose that I should be flattered that you pay such attention to my old posts. Just don't start following me, okay? Thanks.

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