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great post from marshbags - very inspiring - thanks

keep it going TP - just remember - you really will feel huge health benefits even after the first month.. however the first month is the hardest.

i wish you all the best

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<deleted>..... I am a hopeless cause... I know I HAVE to do it.. I just can't

You have all done wonders in your support.. but you are not here to tell me what a pratt I am to my face.. I wish you were.

I reckon since I stopped for 1 fing day I am smoking more...............

I am not looking for sympathy or help for that matter, this is just a "Fukcing well done" to all of you who have done it. Nobody can do it but ME, I have done it before and I just do not understand why I cannot do it agian. When I was married the time before last my Missus MADE me stop. My Thai Wife knows better than to try to get me to quit.. As we say un the UK 'There's a rabbit off there somewhere" perhaps she does not really care much if I kill myself.. after all she will be pretty well off by Thia standards. this bothers me, she should be giving me he#l but she does not???? I dont understand why.. maybee its just ""The Thai Way" or that she knows that if she admonishes me, then maybee I would leave her..... she cant afford or that to happen can she?

I have posted here honestly and with an open heart.. I do not want to contract Emphasimia or worse, I have all the time in the world to take care of myself.., why can't I do it.?. no pressure, no stress, no financial worries.. I just cannot work myself out!

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TP It sounds like you are at the same place that I was, just loathing everytime you light up but needing it at the same time.

I think everyone has a point where you and only you has to decide that you have had enough. It may not be your time yet but it is no good beating yourself up all the time is it?

I found that I really started to feel health effects, shortness of breath, heart palpitations etc. Don't wait until you have a heart attack to stop, that is too late.

I found that cutting right back helped, I was down to 3-4 a day and that made it really easy to stop altogether. Don't carry them around, put one in your pocket and everytime you feel like smoking it, try and do something else for a while, the craving will pass and you forget about it for a while. Don't buy cartons either and wait until you are out before runing out to buy some more. If you are having a session with your mates don't have packets on the table in front of you and try and keep an idea of how many you are smoking, it is easy to really get through a lot in those situations.

If your mrs smokes as well you will need to do this together, it will be impossible if one or the other is still carrying them.

Enjoy one after dinner or with a beer as a reward for not smoking all day by all means and when you get used to the 2,3 or 4 a day have a good think about what these things are and what they are doing to you, then you might decide to make the decision and stop altogether.

I've been off them 2 weeks now and don't miss them at all. I am at work where smoking is frowned upon so that made it easier as well but the big test is when I get home in a week for R&R and have all that spare time and drinks......Hopefully this period that I've had now will make it ok.

Best of luck TP and remember it is only you who has to decide it is time. Have a good think about it.

BTW this thread has helped me a lot, thanks :o

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I stopped smoking 3 years ago. First i aimed to have a break due to coughing and i used some Patches to give little support . Eventually i kept on going even when was finished with the Patches (total boxes used 2 - Niquitin) . Only side effect, i gained weight....As for the rest i feel a whole lot better...there are however still situations where i still think about Cigarettes. After Dinner , with a drink after....

What i wanted to say is , try not to say i will stop for the rest of my Life...but rather say today i will not smoke and than the next day yopu do the same ... If you set your goals to high you might be giving up...

Well it worked for me that way, maybe it helps somebody else too.

good luck,

rcm

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................................What i wanted to say is , try not to say i will stop for the rest of my Life...but rather say today i will not smoke and than the next day yopu do the same ... If you set your goals to high you might be giving up..........................

rcm

This is good advice from rcm.

TP Just take one day at a time. You have already proved you can go a whole day without a smoke, this proves you can go two days and then three days then suddenly it will be one month.

Don't let cigarettes be the winner.

ALWAYS REMEMBER, NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF

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<deleted>..... I am a hopeless cause... I know I HAVE to do it.. I just can't

You have all done wonders in your support.. but you are not here to tell me what a pratt I am to my face.. I wish you were.

I reckon since I stopped for 1 fing day I am smoking more...............

I am not looking for sympathy or help for that matter, this is just a "Fukcing well done" to all of you who have done it. Nobody can do it but ME, I have done it before and I just do not understand why I cannot do it agian. When I was married the time before last my Missus MADE me stop. My Thai Wife knows better than to try to get me to quit.. As we say un the UK 'There's a rabbit off there somewhere" perhaps she does not really care much if I kill myself.. after all she will be pretty well off by Thia standards. this bothers me, she should be giving me he#l but she does not???? I dont understand why.. maybee its just ""The Thai Way" or that she knows that if she admonishes me, then maybee I would leave her..... she cant afford or that to happen can she?

I have posted here honestly and with an open heart.. I do not want to contract Emphasimia or worse, I have all the time in the world to take care of myself.., why can't I do it.?. no pressure, no stress, no financial worries.. I just cannot work myself out!

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.......................ended

T.P.

Never feel guilty if you have to smoke again as you have shown you have the balls to try and the wanting to stop.

If you cannot stop try gradually cutting down until you feel you want to have another go.

By cutting down it will become easier next time and eventually you will succeed.

You are not a failure if you cannot yet stop completely and please do not think bad of yourself.

Look at it this way, how many of your mates who smoke had the bottle to have a go in a serious way like you have.

Take it a step at a time, forwards and backwards until you achieve your goal and remember never feel guilty or let down as it really is a big task you have set yourself.

Eventually you will achieve what you want, even if you do not stop completely i,m sure you will cut back

now very easily and that has to be a good thing.

You have also earned respect for your efforts from ex smokers like myself.

Good luck to you and don,t let the negative <deleted> get to you, they will keep trying to niggle you because they cannot join you.

They are jealous of your efforts for sure.

marshbags :D:D:D

P.S. " Champions " Your nearly there T.P. and i,ll keep monitoring your team.

How,s about Steve being put in the bracket for the England job then.

He,s a great bloke and deserves all the Kudos coming to him, A model professional for sure and a really nice bloke, no b**s***............................................. :o

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January

February

March... Im still going well

Hiya rio666uk

You are leading by example and inspiring others, well done for achieving so much.

After 2 months you are well on the way to success from what i remember about stopping.

All the negatives will really start to exaggerate and you will be increasingly offended by smokers

if you are the same as i was.

While accepting there right to do this they appeared as selfish people who didn,t care that it is really anti social and harmful and non smokers where in their presence.

The fact that i had gone through all the effects of stopping they didn,t give a tuppence and couldn,t give even a flicker of consideration, really got to me.

Having said that i just got out of their way when someone lit up, the smell being the most offensive of all.

I feel sure you will win and are definitely on the positive side of your goal.

They reckon ex smokers are the worst for being aware of the negatives and the selfish thing

but only ex smokers know both sides of the coin and the benefits/non benefits.

If people smoke it is their choice and i have no problem with that ( unless o course it,s someone i care about.) then i try to encourage them to stop.

All i would ask is that they give non smokers the same considerations, without sounding like a preacher/better than you poster as i am not.

marshbags :o:D:D

P.S. You may also spare a thought for people like T.P. who are trying very hard to give it up and at the very least " ask if they mind you smoking in their presence ", and not get uptight when they say they do object.

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Hey! I was a sixty a day man for most of my working life. B&H too, quite strong. A veritable nicotine addict. I am now retired. Two years ago I met this lovely Thai lady who said that she did not mind the smell of me or my clothes but the smoke was affecting her health and making her breathless. I set 29th February 2004, as the target day to stop and did. Cold turkey! The first three days were not easy, climbing walls and going through he_ll, but it got progressively easier. One month later and the worst of the pangs were gone. Two years on and life is a breeze.

I feel better, I no longer cough and, best of all, that lovely Thai lady who is now my wife can breathe freely without coughing and feeling breathless. Not only have have I improved my health but I have made someone I love very happy too. Go for it Thai Pauly, it is well worth the effort once you have got through those first few bad days.

The only downside to stopping smoking, how do I get rid of those extra 10 to 12 kilograms I put on? Two years on and my weight has stabilised but there is little sign that it wants to come off again.

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Hey! I was a sixty a day man for most of my working life. B&H too, quite strong. A veritable nicotine addict. I am now retired. Two years ago I met this lovely Thai lady who said that she did not mind the smell of me or my clothes but the smoke was affecting her health and making her breathless. I set 29th February 2004, as the target day to stop and did. Cold turkey! The first three days were not easy, climbing walls and going through he_ll, but it got progressively easier. One month later and the worst of the pangs were gone. Two years on and life is a breeze.

I feel better, I no longer cough and, best of all, that lovely Thai lady who is now my wife can breathe freely without coughing and feeling breathless. Not only have have I improved my health but I have made someone I love very happy too. Go for it Thai Pauly, it is well worth the effort once you have got through those first few bad days.

The only downside to stopping smoking, how do I get rid of those extra 10 to 12 kilograms I put on? Two years on and my weight has stabilised but there is little sign that it wants to come off again.

Hi ....i got the same issue on the weight 10 kgs more and stopped 3 ,5 years ago....even i go to the Gym when i do a short break it will go back to the 10 kgs plus again...any suggestions?

rcm :o

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same same here.....

I stoped 3 times and every time a few more kg.

Now I try to exercise, keep the weight, but make muscle instead of fat.

To early to say if it works or not.....

Hey! I was a sixty a day man for most of my working life. B&H too, quite strong. A veritable nicotine addict. I am now retired. Two years ago I met this lovely Thai lady who said that she did not mind the smell of me or my clothes but the smoke was affecting her health and making her breathless. I set 29th February 2004, as the target day to stop and did. Cold turkey! The first three days were not easy, climbing walls and going through he_ll, but it got progressively easier. One month later and the worst of the pangs were gone. Two years on and life is a breeze.

I feel better, I no longer cough and, best of all, that lovely Thai lady who is now my wife can breathe freely without coughing and feeling breathless. Not only have have I improved my health but I have made someone I love very happy too. Go for it Thai Pauly, it is well worth the effort once you have got through those first few bad days.

The only downside to stopping smoking, how do I get rid of those extra 10 to 12 kilograms I put on? Two years on and my weight has stabilised but there is little sign that it wants to come off again.

Hi ....i got the same issue on the weight 10 kgs more and stopped 3 ,5 years ago....even i go to the Gym when i do a short break it will go back to the 10 kgs plus again...any suggestions?

rcm :o

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:D The following information may answer some of your questions in part, it is a bit long so read what you think is relevant. :-

Taken from ASH ( Action on Smoking and Health )

factsheet no:11

Stopping smoking: The benefits and aids to quitting

Action on Smoking and Health – November 2005

The desire to stop smoking

Many smokers continue smoking not through free choice but because they are addicted to the nicotine in cigarettes. A report by the Royal College of Physicians found that nicotine complied with the established criteria for defining an addictive substance. The report states: “On present evidence, it is reasonable to conclude that nicotine delivered through tobacco smoke should be regarded as an addictive drug, and tobacco use as the means of nicotine self-administration.” [1]

Surveys have consistently shown that at least 70% of adult smokers would like to stop smoking and of those who express a desire to quit, more than a third are very keen to stop.[2] Almost nine out of ten (88%) of smokers state that they want to quit because of a health concern. After health reasons, the next most common reason given for wanting to give up is a financial one. 2 The most important element of the cessation process is the smoker's decision to quit, with the aid or method of secondary importance. However, those who use aids such as nicotine replacement therapy double their chances of successfully quitting. [3] Smokers wishing to quit may find it helpful to telephone the national helpline on 0800 169 0169. Pregnant women seeking help in stopping smoking should call 0800 169 9169 where specialist counsellors are available from 1pm to 9pm, 7 days a week, to give advice. QUIT also operates specialist advice lines in the main Asian languages and in Turkish and Kurdish.

Beneficial health changes when you stop smoking

Stop smoking and the body will begin to repair the damage done almost immediately, kick-starting a series of beneficial health changes that continue for years. [4]

Time since quitting

Beneficial health changes that take place

20 minutes

Blood pressure and pulse rate return to normal.

8 hours

Nicotine and carbon monoxide levels in blood reduce by half, oxygen levels return to normal.

24 hours

Carbon monoxide will be eliminated from the body.

Lungs start to clear out mucus and other smoking debris.

48 hours

There is no nicotine left in the body.

Ability to taste and smell is greatly improved.

72 hours

Breathing becomes easier.

Bronchial tubes begin to relax and energy levels increase.

2 - 12 weeks

Circulation improves.

3 - 9 months

Coughs, wheezing and breathing problems improve as lung function is increased by up to 10%.

1 year

Risk of a heart attack falls to about half that of a smoker.

10 years

Risk of lung cancer falls to half that of a smoker.

15 years

Risk of heart attack falls to the same as someone who has never smoked.

Withdrawal symptoms

Withdrawal symptoms are the physical and mental changes that occur following interruption or termination of drug use. They are normally temporary and are a product of the physical or psychological adaptation to long-term drug use, requiring a period of re-adjustment when the drug is no longer ingested. In the case of smoking, some of these are: [5]

Withdrawal symptom

Duration

Proportion of those trying to quit who are affected

Irritability / aggression

Less than 4 weeks

50%

Depression

Less than 4 weeks

60%

Restlessness

Less than 4 weeks

60%

Poor concentration

Less than 2 weeks

60%

Increased appetite

Greater than 10 weeks

70%

Light-headedness

Less than 48 hours

10%

Night-time awakenings

Less than 1 week

25%

Craving

Greater than 2 weeks

70%

Weight gain

The possibility of weight gain is often of particular concern to those who want to give up smoking. More than 80% of smokers will gain weight once they quit smoking but the long-term weight gain is on average only 6-8lbs for each smoker who quits. [6] However, this is the weight gain made without recourse to any special attempts at dieting or exercise and it presents a minor health risk when compared to the risk of continued smoking. In addition, improved lung function and some of the other health benefits of giving up smoking are likely to make exercise both easier and more beneficial. See QUIT’s guide to stopping smoking without putting on weight for further advice.

Pipes & cigars

Some smokers switch to pipes or cigars in the belief that this is a less dangerous form of smoking. However, such smokers may incur the same risks and may even increase them, especially if they inhale the pipe or cigar smoke. [7]

Smoking cessation aids

There are two proven pharmaceutical aids to stopping smoking: nicotine replacement therapy and bupropion, known by its tradename, Zyban. Nicotine replacement therapies (NRT), such as chewing gum, skin patch, tablet, nasal spray or inhaler, are designed to help the smoker to break the habit while providing a reduced dose of nicotine to overcome withdrawal symptoms such as craving and mood changes. Studies have shown that NRT roughly doubles the chances of a smoker successfully quitting compared to someone using no therapy. [8]

Bupropion, (Zyban) works by de-sensitising the brain’s nicotine receptors and has similar success rates to NRT. The course of treatment lasts around 8 weeks. It is only available on prescription under medical supervision. Zyban is safe for most healthy adults but there are side effects, the most serious of which is the risk of seizures (fits). This risk is estimated to be less than 1 in 1000 but other less serious side effects such as insomnia, dry mouth and headaches are more common. An independent review by the Consumers’ Association concluded that “when used in a specialist setting and in conjunction with regular counselling, bupropion is at least twice as effective as placebo in helping patients to stop smoking”. [9]

Other cessation aids

Acupuncture and hypnosis. A review of alternative stop smoking aids found little evidence to support the effectiveness of either acupuncture or hypnosis as a means of stopping smoking but such methods may suit some smokers. [10]

Herbal cigarettes. These are not recommended as an aid to giving up smoking because they produce both tar and carbon monoxide. Some brands have a tar content equivalent to tobacco cigarettes. In addition, the use of herbal cigarettes reinforces the habit of smoking which smokers need to overcome.

Clinics and self-help groups. Smokers who are motivated to quit the habit may benefit from cessation clinics or self-help groups, although smokers should be cautious about claims of high success rates made by some private clinics. A review of smoking cessation products and services found that smokers are up to four times more likely to stop smoking by attending specialist smokers’ clinics than by using willpower alone. [11] Free stop smoking clinics are now available across the UK. Validated results for the English services show that around one third of those attending are able to quit after 4 weeks.[12]

New stop smoking medications. New medications are being developed to help people stop smoking. These include verenicline, a drug that stops nicotine reaching the nicotinic receptors in the brain, thereby removing the satisfaction that smokers get from smoking. Other drugs having a similar effect include rimonabant and a nicotine vaccine. It will be some years before these products are made available in the UK. [13]

A useful additional website is http://www.quit.org.uk,

I hope this is of use to you all :o

marshbags :D:D:D

P.S. Regarding the weight problem ,as with anyone who is putting to much on, i,m afraid the only answers are :-

Controlling your food intake,changing your eating habits and most important of all exercise.

Exercise will also help clear your system out of all the toxins you,ve gained from smoking.

Nothing crazy, just walking at a reasonable pace and gradually building it up a bit of speed.

Make sure you are in good health to do this but usually walking isn,t to much of a strain on the body.

If in doubt have a health check locally at a reputable hospital or health clinic.

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January

February

March... Im still going well

Hiya rio666uk

You are leading by example and inspiring others, well done for achieving so much.

After 2 months you are well on the way to success from what i remember about stopping.

All the negatives will really start to exaggerate and you will be increasingly offended by smokers

if you are the same as i was.

While accepting there right to do this they appeared as selfish people who didn,t care that it is really anti social and harmful and non smokers where in their presence.

The fact that i had gone through all the effects of stopping they didn,t give a tuppence and couldn,t give even a flicker of consideration, really got to me.

Having said that i just got out of their way when someone lit up, the smell being the most offensive of all.

I feel sure you will win and are definitely on the positive side of your goal.

They reckon ex smokers are the worst for being aware of the negatives and the selfish thing

but only ex smokers know both sides of the coin and the benefits/non benefits.

If people smoke it is their choice and i have no problem with that ( unless o course it,s someone i care about.) then i try to encourage them to stop.

All i would ask is that they give non smokers the same considerations, without sounding like a preacher/better than you poster as i am not.

marshbags :D:D:D

P.S. You may also spare a thought for people like T.P. who are trying very hard to give it up and at the very least " ask if they mind you smoking in their presence ", and not get uptight when they say they do object.

cheers marshbags - thanks for posting some helpfull advice on this topic - Ive been speaking to TP about giving up via PM and am aware of the difficulty hes been having... but i know he's also a strong character and will achieve his goal in time.

:o

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