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Kurt I can hear some of the howls from certain quarters already,

but a very interesting starting point for discussions.

France always touts that they are trying a 3rd way from

American capitalism vs pure socialism.

Why not Thai's find still a FOURTH way to go?

Certainly Thais do not think like french or yanks.

Absolutely true and correct.

That's why the suggestions from Kurt will not work in Thailand. It's the same as a Thai would suggest how Germany should form their government or another Thai telling the US how to create a new government and again, another Thai telling the French how to do it.

Utopia.

LaoPo

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Actually talking about France. For some reason Action Man Sarkozy reminds me quite a lot of Thaksin. Although public profile even higher, he certainly knows about the power of the media, how to use it and how to court the right friends in order to manipulate it.

A lot of the more traditional French are actually quite worried that their new president is a bit of an Americanism.

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Actually talking about France. For some reason Action Man Sarkozy reminds me quite a lot of Thaksin. Although public profile even higher, he certainly knows about the power of the media, how to use it and how to court the right friends in order to manipulate it.

A lot of the more traditional French are actually quite worried that their new president is a bit of an Americanism.

a very cute wife goes a long way

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Why not Thai's find still a FOURTH way to go?

Enough creative minds around - I am afraid if one would let them - they would!

regarding the 10% division, yep, would give every faction 47 voices...!

but wait and see, disaster is yet to unfold!

I am quite sure this was by far not the end yet, someone in far away London must be furious!

"my money, my money, my country, mine, mine, mine, mine..." :o

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That's why the suggestions from Kurt will not work in Thailand. It's the same as a Thai would suggest how Germany should form their government or another Thai telling the US how to create a new government and again, another Thai telling the French how to do it.

Utopia.

I disagree. More and more Thai People are being educated in the West and come back with new ideas. Many of them with open minds to a new way of doing things. Even so, this is limited to people with the financial resources, those are the ones, currently making the decisions for Thailand, so change is possible.

For example, many revolutionaries, such as Marcos (Chiapas, Mexico) and Che, (South America, Cuba) have come from quit affluent background, yet have choosen to do something for the people. (I am in no way advocating violence by the way)

So it would not take much, for the system to change, here in Thailand. After all, most people are fed up and have been fed up for a long time already.

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The preoccupation some people have with rules and regulations is admirable, but very much a below decks characteristic where non commissioned ranks must focus on receiving and implementing orders.They don't normally tolerate much diversity of opinion.The officer class thinks a little differently.Obviously rules should normally be followed but occasionally there's a need for what the Royal Navy knows as the "Nelson touch".

Stand easy now (if that's the appropriate term to address someone hunched over their laptop).

Or, as my old Headmaster told us on the day we left school for the big real world, "rules are for the guidance of wise men, and the blind obedience of fools"!

can not agree with that, you must follow the rules or anarchy will rule! what a fantastic race in the F1 in belgium go hamo go

hi paul, even 'hamo' has to follow some rules or else....

i hope pad will follow the rules as soon as the corrupt powers are found guilty and sentenced. first time i agree with 'catmac'. but who is wise? who are the fools?

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Wonder who is nominated next will it be a he, a she may be.... starting with Y... ?

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I didn't know Thai super-model Yosawadee was being considered...

She'd certainly get my nomination - so much better looking than a certain TV chef!

:o

I would vote for her at every election...but I worry my wife wouldn't...

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....It's the same as a Thai would suggest how Germany should form their government or another Thai telling the US how to create a new government and again, another Thai telling the French how to do it.

You are not so far off... all the 3 mentioned and other governments of so called "developed countries/democracies" should maybe have a good look at this situation and try to learn something from these events unfolding.... I know that there are not too many happy people "out there", members of governments in the "west" are tending to go very similar paths and corruption is by long not anymore exceptionally a problem of so called third world countries only... events like this (PAD) may find copy cats... just a thought.... or my two coins!

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My suggestions for a new Thai political system….

1. Continue to have Parliament elected by the people, in open, transparent, fair elections.

This could be accomplished by allowing scrutineers from every party at all polling stations, watching for voting irregularities and possibly bringing in outside observers, until the system runs smooth.

There must also be a safe way for citizens to launch complaints against voting irregularities, without them or their families becoming the subjects of threats, violence and/or economic isolation.

2. Have an appointed Senate, but unlike Countries like, for example Canada, don’t let politicians appoint the senate.

The senate could be appointed by a combination of business, union, social justice, environmental leaders and such. Just for an example, the senate makeup could look like the following (this is only an example so don’t start picking at the percentages, look at the overall model)…

10% appointed from business bodies, such as the Chamber of Commerce, Rotary Club, etc.

10% appointed by a panel of social justice leaders

10% by the Unions

10% by the military

10% by the Monarchy

10% by the medical profession

10% Senior Citizens

10% Students

10% Farmers and Agricultural Interests

10% Tourism Interests

That way, you could always have a well balanced Senate, which could stop “bad” Legislations from coming into effect.

Let’s go back to Parliament for a moment. In order to ensure fair elections, there has to be fairly equal access to all sides of information. The government needs to loosen its grip on the media.

In schools, all the different forms of government around the world need to be discussed in detail, with students being encouraged to come up with new models as well. Students need to be taught to identify their own values, not just blindly follow indoctrination.

Students need to be encouraged to learn, how other countries view the role of women in society, child labor, the role of foreigners, etc. and how other countries deal with issues such as poverty, universal healthcare, pension systems, national security, etc.

I could go on an on. All I am saying is, that the current system is not working for the majority (poor) of people in this country and needs to be changed.

Throwing a few crumbs to the poor, while lining ones own pockets (Thaksin), is not the answer.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results!

Kurt Gruen

10 % Expats! I want to be appointed and get some big "commission" for my signature on some MegaGigaProjects :o:D

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Kurt I can hear some of the howls from certain quarters already,

but a very interesting starting point for discussions.

France always touts that they are trying a 3rd way from

American capitalism vs pure socialism.

Why not Thai's find still a FOURTH way to go?

Certainly Thais do not think like french or yanks.

Absolutely true and correct.

That's why the suggestions from Kurt will not work in Thailand. It's the same as a Thai would suggest how Germany should form their government or another Thai telling the US how to create a new government and again, another Thai telling the French how to do it.

Utopia.

LaoPo

Respectful observations and suggestions get listened to by respectful people.

Disrespectful people dismiss them out of hand.

I have discussed options with both French and Thais.

Most people give anyone a fair listen, regardless if some jingoist assumtions.

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That's why the suggestions from Kurt will not work in Thailand. It's the same as a Thai would suggest how Germany should form their government or another Thai telling the US how to create a new government and again, another Thai telling the French how to do it.

Utopia.

I disagree. More and more Thai People are being educated in the West and come back with new ideas. Many of them with open minds to a new way of doing things. Even so, this is limited to people with the financial resources, those are the ones, currently making the decisions for Thailand, so change is possible.

For example, many revolutionaries, such as Marcos (Chiapas, Mexico) and Che, (South America, Cuba) have come from quit affluent background, yet have choosen to do something for the people. (I am in no way advocating violence by the way)

So it would not take much, for the system to change, here in Thailand. After all, most people are fed up and have been fed up for a long time already.

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That's true Kurt but do realize that those are children from the middle to upper and wealthy Thai.

The poor still have NO chance to study in University, other than a few exceptions :o

The Pair of Scales, governing the country, would be AGAIN/STILL for a large majority, in the hands of a few hundred maybe maximum a few thousand Thai families.

70-80% of the population would still be in the 'cold'.

One of the first things to be done in Thailand is FREE higher education and FREE tests for ALL kids, creating the possibility to go and study on a University. Of course those kids should be supported by the government with food and housing, otherwise they STILL are not having a fair chance.

Only then...Thailand would be improving on the way to democracy.

First education then democracy; if not, nothing will ever change.

LaoPo

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That's why the suggestions from Kurt will not work in Thailand. It's the same as a Thai would suggest how Germany should form their government or another Thai telling the US how to create a new government and again, another Thai telling the French how to do it.

Utopia.

I disagree. More and more Thai People are being educated in the West and come back with new ideas. Many of them with open minds to a new way of doing things. Even so, this is limited to people with the financial resources, those are the ones, currently making the decisions for Thailand, so change is possible.

For example, many revolutionaries, such as Marcos (Chiapas, Mexico) and Che, (South America, Cuba) have come from quit affluent background, yet have choosen to do something for the people. (I am in no way advocating violence by the way)

So it would not take much, for the system to change, here in Thailand. After all, most people are fed up and have been fed up for a long time already.

In bold:

That's true Kurt but do realize that those are children from the middle to upper and wealthy Thai.

The poor still have NO chance to study in University, other than a few exceptions :o

The Pair of Scales, governing the country, would be AGAIN/STILL for a large majority, in the hands of a few hundred maybe maximum a few thousand Thai families.

70-80% of the population would still be in the 'cold'.

One of the first things to be done in Thailand is FREE higher education and FREE tests for ALL kids, creating the possibility to go and study on a University. Of course those kids should be supported by the government with food and housing, otherwise they STILL are not having a fair chance.

Only then...Thailand would be improving on the way to democracy.

First education then democracy; if not, nothing will ever change.

LaoPo

So now you're saying we don't need total democracy until everyone catches up?

So where exactly is this reference location for free higher education taking place?

Most I ever hear of is scholarships for the talented.

Free testing is not always there either. But it should be.

Even in the west, people do pay for testing either through taxes or directly.

Certainly more and better quality education would help.

Plus dump these regimenting uniforms.

If parents can NOT afford the uniform the child gets NO education.

and THAT SUCKS!

In every country there is little or no input by the lowest classes in the country's operation.

No matter the level of over all education. The more intelligent always move above.

Even in the large older western democracies. So I really don't see your point.

We can't have utopia, so let the status quo reign?

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Actually talking about France. For some reason Action Man Sarkozy reminds me quite a lot of Thaksin. Although public profile even higher, he certainly knows about the power of the media, how to use it and how to court the right friends in order to manipulate it.

A lot of the more traditional French are actually quite worried that their new president is a bit of an Americanism.

a very cute wife goes a long way

That's another thing Thaksin has in common with Sarkozy.

It's a tough decision for which one is more fetching... they are so equally attractive...

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That's why the suggestions from Kurt will not work in Thailand. It's the same as a Thai would suggest how Germany should form their government or another Thai telling the US how to create a new government and again, another Thai telling the French how to do it.

Utopia.

I disagree. More and more Thai People are being educated in the West and come back with new ideas. Many of them with open minds to a new way of doing things. Even so, this is limited to people with the financial resources, those are the ones, currently making the decisions for Thailand, so change is possible.

For example, many revolutionaries, such as Marcos (Chiapas, Mexico) and Che, (South America, Cuba) have come from quit affluent background, yet have choosen to do something for the people. (I am in no way advocating violence by the way)

So it would not take much, for the system to change, here in Thailand. After all, most people are fed up and have been fed up for a long time already.

In bold:

That's true Kurt but do realize that those are children from the middle to upper and wealthy Thai.

The poor still have NO chance to study in University, other than a few exceptions :D

The Pair of Scales, governing the country, would be AGAIN/STILL for a large majority, in the hands of a few hundred maybe maximum a few thousand Thai families.

70-80% of the population would still be in the 'cold'.

One of the first things to be done in Thailand is FREE higher education and FREE tests for ALL kids, creating the possibility to go and study on a University. Of course those kids should be supported by the government with food and housing, otherwise they STILL are not having a fair chance.

Only then...Thailand would be improving on the way to democracy.

First education then democracy; if not, nothing will ever change.

LaoPo

So where exactly is this reference location for free higher education taking place?

Most I ever hear of is scholarships for the talented.

In every country there is little of no input by the lowest classes in the country's operation.

Even in the large older western democracies. So I really don't see your point.

We can't have utopia, so let the status quo reign?

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Exactly ! Very Good !

The change of thinking should take place in the brains of the responsible upper class few, now ruling Thailand.

IF the governance of Thailand does not want to change for a better educational system, the country will, in the end, fail completely, not only regional but also worldwide

A lot of people in the West bash upon China but ONE thing is for sure and that is that the government understood that the ONLY way to improve a giant country like China is education.

Most people have no bluddy idea how many young kids leave hundreds of Universities in China every single year; hundreds of thousand Sir (I am sorry, I stand corrected***), WITH a Bull, apart from the 10's of thousands Chinese mainland kids, studying abroad in the USA, England, Australia and even in Germany, France, Holland and Spain.

And, surprisingly enough.....most of these kids return to China.

That kind of thinking is something Thailand should adapt....SOONEST.

otherwise the country is doomed - WITHOUT PROPER EDUCATION FOR ALL KIDS -

Look at Singapore, a highly educated state, although small, but the people running that small state understood very well that S'pore could only survive if it had a high number of University educated youngsters, unlike the 'dumb' thinking of the upper class in LOS.

*** "Statistics indicate that the number of university students in China has increased rapidly in recent years, from 1.08 million in 1998 to over 17 million in 2003."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GA06Ad06.html

Maybe someone can put this article under the nose of a responsible Minister in Bangkok :D

Anybody a cookie with his tea ? :o

LaoPo

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When one looks at the history of civilized western development one would see that education was mostly a reserve of the privileged few until the realization that there was a need for a more skilled workforce to drive the industrial revolution of the 18th century thus leading to education for the masses thus leading to people becoming politically aware that they were been shafted thus leading to socialist movements and eventually the underprivileged becoming the new force of power.

I believe the Thaïs have already reached that point and the privileged know it and are scared for their existence and now want to turn back the clock to protect their safe and comfortable society.

Most western democracies were born out of the populous becoming politically aware but some chose to become communist or fascist usually in those states that found the turn of the tide most untenable.

Where will Thailand go i wonder.

Some food for thought, I am off to a charity event to raise money for stray dogs and cats maybe try to herd some too.

enjoy your evening debate.

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That's why the suggestions from Kurt will not work in Thailand. It's the same as a Thai would suggest how Germany should form their government or another Thai telling the US how to create a new government and again, another Thai telling the French how to do it.

Utopia.

I disagree. More and more Thai People are being educated in the West and come back with new ideas. Many of them with open minds to a new way of doing things. Even so, this is limited to people with the financial resources, those are the ones, currently making the decisions for Thailand, so change is possible.

For example, many revolutionaries, such as Marcos (Chiapas, Mexico) and Che, (South America, Cuba) have come from quit affluent background, yet have choosen to do something for the people. (I am in no way advocating violence by the way)

So it would not take much, for the system to change, here in Thailand. After all, most people are fed up and have been fed up for a long time already.

In bold:

That's true Kurt but do realize that those are children from the middle to upper and wealthy Thai.

The poor still have NO chance to study in University, other than a few exceptions :o

The Pair of Scales, governing the country, would be AGAIN/STILL for a large majority, in the hands of a few hundred maybe maximum a few thousand Thai families.

70-80% of the population would still be in the 'cold'.

One of the first things to be done in Thailand is FREE higher education and FREE tests for ALL kids, creating the possibility to go and study on a University. Of course those kids should be supported by the government with food and housing, otherwise they STILL are not having a fair chance.

Only then...Thailand would be improving on the way to democracy.

First education then democracy; if not, nothing will ever change.

LaoPo

I think you are missing what I was saying...

I am talking about how to get from point A to point B. First you need someone, who will change the rules and stand up for the poor. Unless you want total revolution, which I don't think would happen in the current climate in Thailand (Military, Monarchy, Religion), it will have to come from somebody in Power, who actually cares about the people.

Now when those in power are educated, there is a chance, that they will make good, ethical, unselfish decisions.

I totally agree with you, that everyone (who is smart enough, regardless of weather he is rich or poor) should have a chance at higher education. In my opinion, the education system in Thailand needs to be totally revamped and needs to be standardized througout the country.

Bursaries and scholarships need to be readily available for all smart kids, not just the rich and their buddies.

and yes, eligible students need to be provided with food and shelter as well, otherwise, poor parents can never afford to keep them in school. It will be hard enough for them to go on, without the extra pair of hands to bring in the crops.

But to get there, you have to get rid of this corrupt system first and to propose workable alternatives to those who will be in power in the future. Either that or have a revolution, which I don't propose, when there are still other alternatives.

I think, in the end, we want similar things for Thailand, but you seem to believe, that Thaksin and the TRT/PPP can get us there. I don't. I see Thaksin as someone who only threw a few crumbs to the poor, while robbing the country. Guys like him hinder change, because people will cling to those crumbs and will say "this is better than nothing", thereby taking their eye off the cake.

Speakin of cake, I'm off to dinner. Will be back in a while.

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