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BANGKOK 17 August 2019 20:04
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Lickey

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My chicken tractor, well, its a moveable run with chickens and a small house for the egg layers, it will be built from bamboo and shade netting, covering 2 10 mtr salad beds at a time, now these beds were oversprayed with herbicides last November and nothing grows there anymore, although weve had a few hours rain in the last day or so, perhaps something will,

No problem with kitchen waste, 4 work in mrs salon so ok there, but what other things do they like?or do i rough up the ground and let them get on with it, plenty of ants ect,

Thanks for any views on this, Lickey..

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Sorry posters, i shou;d explain a little more, the fact that the beds were overspayed has prevented me from planting anything in the last cooler months, hence all chemicals have removed and banned from the farm, the idea of the chicken tractor is to re-vitalise the soil by natural means, and get eggs into the bargain, other than kitchen waste, what else would keep them going till fresh shoots appear?

Thanks, Lickey.

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Sorry posters, i shou;d explain a little more, the fact that the beds were overspayed has prevented me from planting anything in the last cooler months, hence all chemicals have removed and banned from the farm, the idea of the chicken tractor is to re-vitalise the soil by natural means, and get eggs into the bargain, other than kitchen waste, what else would keep them going till fresh shoots appear?

Thanks, Lickey.

Chickens make great lawn mowers and insect controllers. Pick up the handles and drive the tractor over to the house garden, the excrement will not hurt with a bit of rain to wash it in.

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Is There a market for organic or freerange pig and pork in Thailand or not?

Google gives me not so many answers.

To feed pigs in a organic way i can see a way. But who will buy the pigs.

And the pigs will/must have more then 120 kg.

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I was asking me the same question. The only thing I know is that at Tops Supermarket you can buy herb (I guess that means grass) fed pork meat.

But that's all what I know.

Maybe you can contact that company.

Here is the link

http://www.tops.co.th/en/market/NaturalMeat.html

Edited by CLW

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But from gras no ham grow.

The ham grow with protein. And where to get organic protein?

Or maybe this way of organic thinking from our homecountry is wrong inrefering to livestock.

Maybe more in this way: appropriate for the species

Or the first 80 kg is normal commercial feeding and after is some another feed. If possible with organic ingredients.Because after 80 kg the pigs are easyer to feed.

But this what Tops write on the webpage is nothing.

Me pigs get also gras and cassave leaf and straw. And antibiotika i used the last time 1 1/2 year ago. But i have only a couple of pigs.

But i not like to let them run outsite. Only get a sunburn. And the pig poo is also not easy to collect.

Its also a question of time. With straw the cleaning takes more time. But give's also more fertiliser.

But one is sure. Its nice to watch the small piglet when there enjoy with the straw and run around like crazy.

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Yes, Tops doesn't declare it as certified organic. So you just can rely what they write on the packaging and their website. And what you wrote, it's indeed very difficult to get organic feed here. But what I appreciate about the organic guidelines are the conditions how you keep your animals. For example with straw or not caged and less animal per area. That's a good start.

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But nobody will buy after when the hear the pork cost 50% more then the Macroprice.

Who will buy a chickenegg when 1 egg cost 6 Bath?

Normaly nobody care about how the animal live. The only importend think is the price.

For this it is importend the freerange meat/pork/egg should not cost more then the macropork/egg.

And this is the question how to manage and organice this.

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I think or believe there is a market but surely not at Makro or the countryside.

If you can sell in special organic stores or to high-end restaurants it will work.

By the way, 6 Baht is cheap for organic eggs. I see them here between 70 and 90 Baht per 10 package

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By the way, 6 Baht is cheap for organic eggs. I see them here between 70 and 90 Baht per 10 package

But where to get the organic feed? Or what there eat?

Because only from gras picking there will not have so many egg. Or this is the reasion why there are so expensive. There make only every 4 days one egg.

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I'm not sure they are certified organic, I just know they're from free range chicken. What you mentioned about "real" organic feed. That's a real problem here, especially for protein unless you can grow some feed crops by yourself.

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Here is a Link for a organic Shrimpfarm

http://www.sureerathprawns.com/display/organicsystem.htm

Natural Feed

Upon the good ecology as in Sureerath farm, we produce natural feed which becomes feed since release the shrimp to the grow-out pond. Such as:

ic_sq.gif Seaweed ic_sq.gif Polychaete

Duckweed, Flymaggots. But its possible to produce it in houndrets of ton's?

But in my eys are the best Resources are meatmeal. In my eys its a sin to feed them to gras eater, but it's good to feed it to chicken or pig.

Better meatmeal than GMO soja.

Everythink else push the price up and nobody after like to buy it.

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There are some alternative sources of protein

but mostly only small scale or grow by yourself.

Like you mentioned the Duckweed, Insects or Algae.

So what is meatmeal exactly?

Is it from chicken carcass and leftover from slaughtering?

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