Fertiliser Prices

[Maizefarmer]

Hey Guys - trying to get a comparison of prices across Thailand (now, versus roughly same time last year) 50kg bags: - who's buying what (type, brandname and/or mix/N ratio), what are you paying - and what province are you based in?

Thanx

MF

[somo]

Not sure of the brand but in Chayapoum NPK 16-16-16 chemical fertilizer and variations around that is about 1050 Baht for a 50kg bag. I need to buy some 0-0- 60 which is 1350 Baht/50kg

Hope this helps.

[elcent]

lol, but don't blow up anything. (just kidding)

[stoneman]

Three weeks ago, I bought 50 - 50kg bags of 15-15-15 and it was 1015 a bag....That was in Ban Phue...north of Udon...

Stoneman

Hey Guys - trying to get a comparison of prices across Thailand (now, versus roughly same time last year) 50kg bags: - who's buying what (type, brandname and/or mix/N ratio), what are you paying - and what province are you based in?

Thanx

MF

[farmerjo]

Last week in chumphae,46-0-0 was 690 baht a bag,16-20-0 = 820 baht

[ozzydom]

In Sakhon Nakhon 0-46-0 triple super phosphate down from 2600 baht to 1650 now.

[WatersEdge]

In Mae Sot, Tak Province

15-15-15 B1,040 on 15 May

B1,020 on 2 June

In Chiang Mai on 20 April

46-0-0 B 870

16-20-0 B 860

[drtreelove]

I just posted on another thread that I paid 550 for 50kg of "1" brand 15-15-15, but when I saw this thread that other are paying over 1,000 baht, I checked my receipt. I was charged 520 baht for 21-0-0 (Ammonium sulphate) by mistake. So I don't know what the 3x15 price should have been, I know I've paid 750 in the past.

110 for 50kg of dolomite. don

[WatersEdge]

Update on Mae Sot, Tak

15-15-15 24 June B950

[WatersEdge]

Update on Mae Sot, Tak

15-15-15 10 July B920

[somo]

Prices are coming down.

The 0-0-60 I mentioned above at 1350 a few weeks ago is now 1250

The shop even advised me to wait a bit before buying as prices are due to fall quite a bit further.

[WatersEdge]

Update on Mae Sot, Tak

15-15-15 16 July B910

46- 0- 0 B630

16- 8- 8 B700

[nev]

that explains why i paid for 46-0-0 720baht them 2 weeks later 700baht.

that is in nong kung sri kalasin.

[farmerjo]

In chumphae yesterday 15-15-15=880 baht

46-0-0=630 baht

Was told to expect prices will start to rise.

[catwho]

Just moved to SHIKUI about 50ks before korat.moved from pattaya,built a rough shop house so to sell fertilizer, PVC ETC for irragation,amongs other things,decided better of selling to the farmers then being one,as we just lost a little one our first little crop of cassava.[20 rai].since sold to pay for new land and house.

we have another 10 rai with water ,,,and as are a few other farners around here we are into growing parlsey ,we are selling all seeds and what ever esle they need.

we have stated of very small 8 bags for each fertilizer normaly used ,we are actualy 20ks from the shikui,so it might work out well as we are selling at their prices.

which are ,at the moment,16 8 8= 680,,16 16 8=815,,16 20 0= 795 ,,46 0 0= 650,,15 15 15=920,,30 20 0=970.

the firtilizer is called pravit [risingsun] when i asked if thai or chinese, they said norway company,but probaly made here as all in thai on the bag.

they have ask for the rabbit and horse one,but finaces are restricted so will take things slowly

we did meet with a big company [lowest min buy 200,000bt] but they were 100bt more for each bag then what i am getting now,

then all the bartering came into it and prices and deals came into it, and i show them what i was paying they came down in price but not enough.

Just an insight into the market.

got to go my 2yr old wants to see the stars.

cat

Edited September 3, 2009 by catwho

[WatersEdge]

I would like to say thanks to everyone who posted fertilizer prices thus far.

It's been most useful to me.

I gathered all the data in this thread thus far,

recorded it in an Excel file.

Added calculator boxes to quantify the single nutrient fertilizer prices provided.

46-0-0 Nitrogen Only

0-45-0 Phosphate Only

0-0-60 Potash Only.

Then more calculator boxes to see if the single nutrient fertilizers are the best value

I assume 46-0-0 is as cheap as it can get..it is very common and is produced in huge quantities around the world.

The others are not the best value as single nutrients...

in both cases it is cheaper to buy Phosphate and Potash

in combination with Nitrogen in NPK formulas

Finally some calculator boxes to explore the feasibility of processing Rock Phosphate to field ready fertilizer.

My current known source of Sulfuric Acid 50% at B17/kg is too expensive to make Phosphate fertilizer

The H2SO4 needs to be under B10 in order to keep Gypsum below B2.00

If anyone has knowledge of bulk sources of cheap industrial acid,

it would make farming a lot more fun if we could save money on Phosphate.

It also would be interesting to know reasonable prices on Anhydrous Ammonia

I found a good supply in India,

but have not explored the barriers to Import to Thailand.

The NH3 Price I have received in Thailand is outrageously high,

available in small cylinders only

apparently for Refrigeration grade NH3

when I want only Fertilizer grade

I was told it comes imported from Indonesia.

Please note that on my computer a website download first must be saved to disk,

then opened from disk, in order to get around the Read Only Limitation.

I did not lock this file in any way...it is meant to be wide open.

Fertilizer_Calculator_20090916.xls

Edited September 16, 2009 by WatersEdge

[jantenbroeke]

I Bought at 17 September in Sawang (Sakon Nakhon district) the next fertilizers in 50kg bags.

• 46-0-0 for 620 baht
  
• 16-20-0 for 680 baht
  
• 0-0-60 for 1200 baht
  

Mixing in a ratio 1 :1 :0.33 gives an NPK of 26.6 : 8.6 : 8.5

Kind regards,

jan

[WatersEdge]

Added what I think is a grand idea to the Fertilizer Calculator,

Thanks to Jan tenBroeke

Formula Mix Calculator

Plug in the NPK formula numbers you wish to blend, and their Cost per bag

You can blend 2, 3, or all 4.

Then by plugging Relative Parts or Portion of Whole numbers,

you can see the resulting Blend Formula by trial and error

If you use the Portion of Whole function, a Portion sum greater than 1.00 will display red negatives in the 4th row.

A Portion sum less than one will show a black positive number in the 4th row.

If any think of other useful functions, Please mention.

Calcium Hydroxide Slaked Lime Ca(OH)2

is available near the Lime Kiln Factory front gate in Chiang Mai

on Samoeng Road not far from Canal Road heading west toward the mountain

10 kg clear plastic bags for B25

B2.50 / kg

Attached is the Google Earth Placemarker for the Lime Kiln Factory

Fertilizer_Calculator_20090919.xls

Lime_Kiln.kmz

[WatersEdge]

Some quick Reference Comparison Prices on fertilizer in the US Midwest,

This report came from Missouri on 11 August 2009,

link and full text below.

All Thai Baht Prices 50 kg bag

Urea 46-0-0 B 589

DAP 18-46-0 B 561 DiAmmonium Phosphate

Potash 0-0-60 B1,029

Note the report's conclusion that fertilizer prices are probably near the bottom of the cycle,

which is why I point out these reference numbers.

If we reach numbers this low in Thailand,

go ahead and buy your fertilizer....because it probably won't last.

Ammonia NH3 82-0-0 B 608

We don't use Ammonia NH3 82-0-0 here that I know of...

and if we did it would not be sold in a 50kg bag.

It is stored and shipped very similar to LPG

But note the comparative prices and percent ratios.

NH3 at B608 for 50kg is equivalent to Urea at B341.

http://www.agrimarketing.com/show_story.php?id=56097

BROCK AND ASSOCIATES: TIME TO BUY FERTILIZER

Aug. 11, 2009

Source: The Brock Report

Our philosophy has always been that you sell a commodity when you think prices are done going up, not necessarily because you think the value of the commodity is going to drop a great deal. The same principle applies to buyers of commodities - including fertilizer and fuel. You should cover upcoming needs when you think the market is close to a bottom and not think about how much prices might rebound.

With that said, we believe now is the time to start booking upcoming fertilizer needs.

Here's a summary of what has happened to fertilizer prices over the past year in the middle of the Corn Belt:

• Ammonia has gone from $1,080 to $325 per ton.

• Urea prices have dropped from $880 to $315 per ton.

• DAP has gone from $1,120 to $300 per ton.

• Potash prices have declined from $900 to $550 per ton.

Fertilizer prices have not only dropped substantially from year-ago levels, in most cases they are below the five-year averages. This collapse of the fertilizer market from last year's astonishingly high prices was caused by a combination of oversupply and the big drop in demand that was the result of sky-high prices.

Regardless of what happens to grain prices, fertilizer demand will rebound for next year's crop. Many farmers reduced or eliminated some fertilizer applications this year due to excessively high prices. Few will cut this corner two years in a row. Additionally, because many suppliers were stuck with high-priced inventories last year, most are leery of carrying a large inventory into the next fertilizer season. This could result in some localized tight supply situations this fall and next spring, which would squeeze prices higher at least temporarily.

Natural gas is one of the primary costs in fertilizer production. Note that it looks like a bottom is forming on the long-term natural gas chart. Natural gas bounced off long-term support after the oscillator had moved into oversold territory. Once natural gas prices start to rebound, one can anticipate a similar move in fertilizer prices.

This week we recommended booking all fall fertilizer needs and half of anticipated spring needs. The only reason to hold off on the other 50% of next spring's needs is anticipation of another leg down in grain prices, which could be enough to pull fertilizer prices even lower.

[jantenbroeke]

Some time ago I created a calculator within an excell sheet to calculate how to mix standard fertilizer to achieve a desired NPK mix.

By mixing its possible to save up to 35% in costs.

If one is interested, please download the attached excel sheet. (macros enabled) and have a try.

Out of the previous articles, one can conclude that buying fertilizer now for the start of next rain season brings considerable costs advantages.

My problem is that we had already problems before with mouses.

Even though they don't eat fertilizer, they munch the bags what gives a big mess.

Does anyone know a solution for this problem?

Thanks in advance

NPKMixCalc.xls

[somo]

HI.

Sory but I have no experience of spread sheets.

Could someone tell me if I mix 50kg of 46-0-0 with 50kg of 0-0-60 I end up with 100kg of what NPK??

Also if I then double the amount of 0-0-60 to 100k with the 50kg 46-0-0 does that simple double the number of K in the final NPK figure

[WatersEdge]

Hi Somo,

First Question:

Using the Formula Mix Calculator

1.00 Part 46-0-0

1.00 Part 0-0-60

Result is 100 kg 23-0-30

Second Question:

1.00 Part 46-0-0

2.00 Parts 0-0-60

Result is 150 kg 15.3-0-40

[Maizefarmer]

Somo

.... wrote it all up went away form the computer came back and found Watersedge beat me to it ......

yes - you'll have to mix that up at home, god only knows where you;d get uit commercially mixed up

Edited October 18, 2009 by Maizefarmer

[somo]

Thanks guys.

Can see it now. Really just straight proportions.

Yes will be mixing it up myself. When the guys spray the weeds I get them to stir in some fertilizer. Seems to work ok and so get the fertilizer applied free. It will also work out cheaper mixing the two up rather than buying a ready mix.

[WatersEdge]

If you have sprinklers,

you can inject the fertilizer into the water,

I use a cubic meter plastic pallet tank,

commonly used for live fish transport all over Thailand.

photo attached.

A Honda Gasoline pump with a valve arrangement serves three purposes:

First: Draw water from the passing sprinkler mainline into the mixing tank

Second: Mix the fertilizer dissolving it into the water.

Depending on whether the fertilizer has insolubles, this can be easier or harder.

I run the pump on full power, drawing it out the bottom fitting, and shooting it back down into the top

Third: Inject the cubic meter of dissolved fertilizer water back into the mainline.

This requires that the injection pump is located at a point

between the irrigation water source and the sprinklers

It is theoretically possible to use the primary pump as the injection pump,

I use a completely separate pump because of location and convenience.

Since full sprinkler pressure is required to spread the fertilizer evenly,

you must wait after injecting the fertilizer until the water has traveled out to the sprinklers.

Only after a long enough time can you decrease the line pressure by refilling the mixing tank.

It is therefore better / quicker to fill the mixing tank from an outside water source.

[Maizefarmer]

Guys - check out these 2 threads on the subject of fertigation:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Irrigation-a...;hl=fertigation

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Irrigation-H...;hl=fertigation

[sokmeister]

Hi all!

Can someone help educate me as to what fertilizer are commonly used for Eucalyptus youngens? Also, I realize prices are/has been coming down. What kinda of price should I expect, for the type most commonly used for Euc?

Thanks folks!

[cyber_cynic]

I have the following 100% organic fertilizer available for local delivery :

20 x 25 kg bags of granular 2-1-1 NPK/microbial soil amendment (SNPK) : $25 ea + postage

5 x 1 liter liquid 4-1-1 NPK (SNS) : $18 ea + postage

5 x 1 litre liquid soil conditioner (SSC) : $18 ea + postage

for data on the above see this link : http://www.a-i-s.net/brands/sprout/products.htm

please send a PM if interested.

[cyber_cynic]

I have the following 100% organic fertilizer available for local delivery :

20 x 25 kg bags of granular 2-1-1 NPK/microbial soil amendment (SNPK) : $25 ea + postage

5 x 1 liter liquid 4-1-1 NPK (SNS) : $18 ea + postage

5 x 1 litre liquid soil conditioner (SSC) : $18 ea + postage

for data on the above see this link : http://www.a-i-s.net/brands/sprout/products.htm

please send a PM if interested.

Price for granular should read $15 (not $25) - sorry about the typo.

[WatersEdge]

Hi Farmers,

As the Rain Season planting approaches,

it would be handy to revive this thread.

My retail prices in Mae Sot from this past week are as follow

All prices based on 50 kg bag, regardless of actual package size.

As of Saturday 24 April 2010 Mae Sot city, Tak province.

Bagged Commercial Fertilizers

Urea 46- 0- 0 B 700

16-20- 0 B 720

15-15-15 B 860

KCl 0- 0-60 B1,550 random crystals to B1,580 prilled

Bagged and Bulk Raw Products

Rock Phosphate 13.2%P B 275

Slaked Lime Ca(OH)2 B 125

Limestone CaCO3 Crusher Fines B 10

It seems smart that farmers in the same general locale

would work together to buy a full ten wheeler load of 300 bags,

at a better volume negotiated price.

If anyone living in the NE production area can source the crude rock salt,

containing the mixture of NaCl and KCl,

it is worth my time to set up the separation process.

As you see above, the price of 0-0-60 is through the roof.

Last year I inquired if anyone knows a cheap bulk source of Sulfuric Acid.

In the meanwhile, I have found source at B6.00 / kg for 98% H2SO4 1,000 kg minimum order

It is admittedly of limited practical value,

since bulk coarse Gypsum is available,

while Thailand soils are typically Acidic already.

Just as a point of interest for any who have alternate chemical advantages in mind for Sulfuric Acid.

Does anyone have a source for cheap Anhydrous Ammonia NH3 82-0-0?

This is logically the next wave for Thailand farming,

to target the price of Urea 46-0-0,

and to enable the manufacture of Ammonium Sulfate from Gypsum.

It's also useful for making more ice than you can melt from cheap heat,

through Ammonia Absorption Refrigeration.

The price of Anhydrous in Thailand I found last year was horribly high,

imported from Indonesia,

apparently a unnecessarily high Refrigeration Grade.

There is a manufacturer in India who offers the right price,

just have to go through the hoops of importing to Thailand.