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Hey jingthing...as a business operater here in Phuket,do you really expect me and many others to suffer even more financial hardship so you can''have some fun'' Thanks a lot ...Why dont you keep your great ideas for the dump you live in ''Patts'' i do believe it is!!There must be plenty over there for you to focus on.

The hysteria being created about a few very unfortunate and unnecessary incidents is already very damaging for us all.

Consider the amount of people who actually do have a problem, compared to the number of visiters and it is a very small percentage.It does happen, no doubt about it and every effort should be made to to prevent any more, but hey, any touristy destination in the world has similar problems!! BTW....I DO NOT CONDONE THEIR BEHAVIOUR IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM!!

Your ''solution'' to hurt the various ''mafia's'' will hurt all of us directly in the hip pocket and with this predicted short high season we already have enough problems here thank you very much!!!Please butt out!

Sure, make people aware of what can happen but dont make us all suffer more than is neccessary for your fun!!

If you are worried about lost revenues perhaps you should take action to clean up your own community. Take a trip down to the Governor's office, the Phuket Gazette, or do it the old fashioned way by picketing. Organize some resistance. It isn't Jingthing's fault. The problems of Phuket are entirely on the government and local community to solve and make changes.

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Compared to Phuket, Pattaya seems to be heaven on earth.

In my home country, Belgium, most taxi drivers are scum too, especially in Brussels.

I cannot say why, because that would not be politically correct.

I avoid taking a taxi in Belgium and when I really need one I would rather call one from a trusted company.

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From the Gazette earlier

The Canadian then rudely pointed a finger in his face and kicked him in the chest, the tuk-tuk driver claimed.

Mr Tassanarit lifted his shirt for the Gazette to reveal bruising on his stomach, which he claimed to reporters was the result of Mr Anwar kicking him

Kicked him in the chest but the bruising is on his stomach???

A 51 year old teacher kicking a 30 year old man in the chest or stomach? I don't think so. I'm sure the man felt taken advantage of. While I was in Phuket, I never once took a tuk tuk because of their high prices, and the fact that they would yell at me from across the street. I find the yelling rude, and they wanted 200 bht to do some place I would walk to in just a couple of minutes. Actually, at 150 bht, the guy got a better deal than I was ever offered. A one minute ride for 150, I would pass on 200 for a one minute walk.

I don't know why anyone would go to Phuket. The tuk tuks, massage girls, shop owners, and people in front of restaurants are so aggressive, that it's like a street hawker in steroids. Everything is way more expensive than other parts of Thailand. I really wished I had listened to more of my friends. Most said don't go, there is nothing to see, and it's way to expensive. A couple said that I should see it, just to get the experience. I listened to the wrong friends, I thought the ones telling me not to go were just being cheap charlies. Now I advise everyone to skip phuket.

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Are you realistically expecting me to consider that calling a black guy 'a good athlete' is racist just because he is a good athlete?

Look, you clearly have some seriously deficient reading comprehension limitations. You do. You the INDIVIDUAL, not people of your race -- YOU. Of course, calling a SPECIFIC black guy a good athlete or a SPECIFIC Thai stupid or a SPECIFIC South Asian stingy is NOT racist. It is the mass generalizations that are racist, such as blacks are great athletes it comes from the jungle or Indians are stingy or they smell bad, that's their nature or Jews are all smart and good with money that explains the big noses. Those kinds of statements are always racist. In the case of Anwar the SPECIFIC individual Canuck, sure its fine and not racist to say you think he was being stingy if that's what you think. You are getting excited about something that I never said nor would any logical person, so give it a rest, OK? If you are going to get your knickers in a twist about something I said or meant, please let it be about something I ACTUALLY said or meant.

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I do worry about how frightened some of you seem about these small Thai people.

It's not the small Thai person that we're worried about - it's the 5 or 10 of his mates who come out of nowhere to join him that's the worry.

Anyway, nice to see the police, yet again, taking care of their paymasters. :)

On the pavements of Pattaya you can buy anywhere weapons that are forbidden in Europe, such as truncheons and boxing irons.

I think it is better to avoid problems.

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Hey jingthing...as a business operater here in Phuket,do you really expect me and many others to suffer even more financial hardship so you can''have some fun'' Thanks a lot ...Why dont you keep your great ideas for the dump you live in ''Patts'' i do believe it is!!There must be plenty over there for you to focus on.

The hysteria being created about a few very unfortunate and unnecessary incidents is already very damaging for us all.

Consider the amount of people who actually do have a problem, compared to the number of visiters and it is a very small percentage.It does happen, no doubt about it and every effort should be made to to prevent any more, but hey, any touristy destination in the world has similar problems!! BTW....I DO NOT CONDONE THEIR BEHAVIOUR IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM!!

Your ''solution'' to hurt the various ''mafia's'' will hurt all of us directly in the hip pocket and with this predicted short high season we already have enough problems here thank you very much!!!Please butt out!

Sure, make people aware of what can happen but dont make us all suffer more than is neccessary for your fun!!

Not for fun. As a public service and as one possible tactic to put real pressure on the only groups that have any hope of changing anything there. People should know what they are getting themselves into, whether it be Phuket, Pattaya, or Timbuktu.

Cry me a river. No business has the inherent right to prosper. You want to whitewash the problems so that the plane loads of unaware people will keep coming and spending money. I have proposed one way of putting heat on the power structure there (corrupt violent mafias, corrupt government, severe bias against non-Thais when there is a conflict, the possibly true complacent rest on our rotten laurels view that the suckers will keep coming NO MATTER WHAT). Do you have a better idea? OK, spit it out please. If you are satisfied with officials saying we are going to have a meeting about it, well, then, you obviously don't care and are basically taking the side of the corrupt power structure there implicitly. Your greedy self interest is evident ($$$$$). Who has the more ethical stance here?

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He admitted guilt to assault in a Thai court, and there is no other evidential or factual information presented (ie provocation or self defence) to admonish or mitigate his culpability for the offence.

Alternatively, if he admitted guilt just to board his connecting flight, then he is potentially liable for perjury - a much more serious offence under Thai law.

Although others may opine differently, Thai law is fair and just.

Just as the driver was desperate to meet his monthly costs, so too is this teacher. If he does not plead guilty he misses his flight. It is not the cost of the ticket that would worry him as much as not getting back to work. If International school teachers are late to return at the end of a school break, there is a very good chance they are docked pay or in some extreme cases have their contract terminated. A day's pay ( or how many more ? ) is worth far more than the fine not too mention the possible loss of his job.

Sad, but in the end, it is all about the money and has nothing to do with truth or justice.

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When I make an agreement, I usually honour that agreement, even if I feel sour about it afterwards.

Finally this stupid story started with a dispute over merely 50 baht, peanuts for a tourist anyway.

This does not mean that I approve violent attacks on tourists.

I just learnt one thing: to stay away from Phuket.

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Come on folks! He plead guilty and paid the fine to get the hel_l out of that shit hole. These tuck tuk drivers are just to thuggish to believe that he was a victim of this Canadian. I once had a motor bike run into my parked car and I ended up paying for his hospital treatment just to get my passport back from the police. That fish you smell is Thai justice and the totally ingrained bias against white farangs. It is all about tea money and nothing to do with fairness. All part of the excitement of being in Thailand.

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QUOTE (krading @ 2010-01-07 21:50:42)

QUOTE (Credo @ 2010-01-07 22:33:04)

All this stuff in Phuket is starting to make Pattaya look pretty good.

Stretching it a bit now aren't we?

I don't think so. Transport-wise and shopping wise, Pattaya is way better. We've got to be. Our beach is ugly.

Yes Pattaya so called beaches are ugly...shopping wise Phuket has everything you can buy in Pattaya ...You forgot to mention about the pollution in Pattaya....when I was there in Nov 2007 you could not even see the offshore islands....here in Phuket we can see for miles and miles...All you knockers of Phuket who say they will never come here is music to my ears....we dont need any riff-raff down here like the kind that idle away their lives in Pattaya

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This must have happened as the Canadian man did not want the harassment by the local cops & system. Been thru the same once but fortunately did not have any physical fight & also thankful to the cop who told me that the harassment would be tremendous if I had to file a complaint

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There are transport mafia problems in other parts of Thailand and some other cities in the world. In my experience things are much worse in Phuket than Pattaya as far as public transport. Phuket is the only place in Thailand that is on my never again list, and I have lots of company, some "riff raff" (what a quaint term), some not. Sometimes, I have had negative transport mafia experiences in other countries, for example the taxi mafia in Prague is no fun (however in Prague there are excellent public transport options so you can avoid the taxis).

People who think there isn't a BIG problem around this issue in Phuket which at least has the potential over time to hurt tourism there, are playing ostrich.

I haven't been to Phuket in some years and won't be going, so maybe I am wrong saying that the shopping is MUCH better in Pattaya. I am comparing today's Pattaya with Phuket of some years ago. Do you have a Bangkok style mega luxury mall like Central Pattaya Beach there now (easily accessible for 10 baht from most tourists locations in a large area)?

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I really have to agree with you on all the above. The only way things will change here is if the Thais feel the repercussions of their actions on their wallets! It's a simple feedback system and works.

It's unfortunate that many of the innocent non-Thais doing business here will suffer somewhat also but "denial" is not a viable option. I say spread the news, good or bad and let the "chips land where they fall"!

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I agree that the biggest villains are the `Dons` - the owners who pay the graft contributing to the predominant rotten corruption. But you are way off mark portraying the the drivers as innocent hard working artisans.

Tuk tuk experiences are the number one bad experience tourists complain of when visiting the island. Why is that? Most don`t read this forum so are unlikely to be predjudiced. That must leave their experiences - of being charged 1st world prices in a 3rd world country for a 10th rate service. Of agreeing one (overpriced) fare and being charged more upon arrival at destination, often with menaces. Of being driven by a surly drunk. Of being constantlty pestered while out for a leisurely stroll. Of having nowhere to park, and being attacked if they park in a public spot stolen by these thugs.

No one forces these guys to be tuk tuk drivers. There are plenty of jobs on the building sites where it seems only the burmese are prepared to get their hands dirty.

I really think they expect tourists to walk towards them with their wallets open inviting them to take what they want. When that doesnt happen, thats when they get angry and violent.

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