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The kick certainly makes sense if you imagine that the tourist was being pinned by the (driver's) buddy. That the buddy arrived and had pinned the tourist in such a way that he could not defend himself from the driver with his arms...

Entirely believable. Most guys, who aren't patsies, would have done the same sort of thing. If your arms are being held behind you by one guy, while his pal is railing on you with fists, you've only got one leg or the other to defend yourself with.

Ar worst, the Canadian lost his cool and ticked off an easily-angered Thai. The Thai driver over-reacted violently, but was let off easy by the mamby pamby authorities, after the smoke cleared.

Meanwhile, tour books like Lonely Planet continue to espouse such ridiculous pap like; "Thais are a peace loving people, who disdain any signs of anger."

More realistically, tourists should be warned: "Thais generally avoid confrontation, but when seriously annoyed they're apt to erupt ferociously. There's no middle ground. It's either calm, calm, or the appearance of calm - or, when something clicks, it's postal beserkedness, with no holds barred."

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I am getting seriously worried about the IQ level of some posters on this thread.

George, could you not implement an IQ threshhold that all TV members must achieve before they are allowed to post comments?.

A level of about 80 should help to remove a lot of these idiots :)

My 2c worth? Regardless of whether Anwar was guilty of assault, the manner in which this incident was handled by the Phuket authorities indicates to me that their combined IQ must be way below the 80 mark. Are they not aware of the global reporting and comment accessible via Google, Twitter etc?

Let's wait for the next incident. Perhaps we will see a video on YouTube....

Simon

absolutely brilliant,, full marks :D

Better make it 8 if you want to include the ....

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It's about tourists, and did you really need to bring that kind of racist talk into the equation?

What's racist about it?

Racist: Look it up in the Ask Oxford dictionary

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/racism

1. noun: the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race.

2. verb: discrimination against or antagonism towards other races

What the chap is saying is that it is a characteristic of, quote, "South Asians (probably Indian/Pakistani)". Whether negative or positive (flaw/trait) is not relevant in the definition. It is the characteristic that is mentioned in the definition.

In its verb form (2), "discrimination against or antagonism towards other races". How is the chap, the one you admonish, being discriminatory? This topic surrounds the circumstances of someone who we are arguing is of a particular nationality and therefore his nationality has to be included in the sentence otherwise the sentence would not be complete and therefore not worthy of being admissable.

If you follow the definition you get the clear picture.

It is not an act or racism. Plus, everyone knows that Indians and Pakistanis are stingy and they even pride themselves on it. Thus, failing to be antagonistic. Iwill go as far as saying that all the Pakistano and Indian friends i've got eveb see it as a trait and would not have any issue being called stingy.

If someone calls you stingy (whatever your race) do you really believe that you are being racially targetted, even if they do or don't mention which part of the World you come from?

The illustrative example of "All white Brits are stingy" is not racist, so why should it be when mentioning others?

By your logic if i say "all woman have got breasts", is regarded as sexist.

Take your politically correct compass and point it back to your own "wannabe controlling, language imposing" self. You are not the language police! Thanks god!

Oh...pardon me was the mention of God being religionist?

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The kick certainly makes sense if you imagine that the tourist was being pinned by the (driver's) buddy. That the buddy arrived and had pinned the tourist in such a way that he could not defend himself from the driver with his arms...

Entirely believable. Most guys, who aren't patsies, would have done the same sort of thing. If your arms are being held behind you by one guy, while his pal is railing on you with fists, you've only got one leg or the other to defend yourself with.

Ar worst, the Canadian lost his cool and ticked off an easily-angered Thai. The Thai driver over-reacted violently, but was let off easy by the mamby pamby authorities, after the smoke cleared.

Meanwhile, tour books like Lonely Planet continue to espouse such ridiculous pap like; "Thais are a peace loving people, who disdain any signs of anger."

More realistically, tourists should be warned: "Thais generally avoid confrontation, but when seriously annoyed they're apt to erupt ferociously. There's no middle ground. It's either calm, calm, or the appearance of calm - or, when something clicks, it's postal beserkedness, with no holds barred."

I fully agree!!!

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Precisely, it's about tourists, all sorts of tourists and not just 'farangs'.

As for racist, that's laughable. Many people that i've met and known,from all different cultures and races have made similar comments to the ones i made. I think It's common knowledge that certain nationals are known for certain things isn't it?

The reason i don't post much on here and just use this site for news updates (you will see i joined here quite some time ago) is precisely not to get involved in silly,petty arguments like this. I just haven't got the time or the inclination to respond to members of the pc brigade.

I couldn't agree more regarding your defence about so-called racist comments. Not racist at all.

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Best possible way to avoid this is if you don't have your own car or motorbike, keep out of Phuket.

Actually, that is good advice -stay out of Phuket unless you absolutely must go.

:) I did have my own car and made the mistake of passing a tuk tuk on the Kata/ Karon road. He then aggressively tailgated me, flashing lights and honking the horn for the next 10 kms. to my hotel. Would have loved to have slammed the brakes on ! F---ng lowlifes and they are entrusted to drive the public around ? :D

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ive been going to thailand for 22 years...average 10-12 times a year..lived for 3 in phuket

i can remember the times i would have loved to have clumped a tuktuk driver....but i know the consequences

this guy probably reacted verbally when he realized he was being ripped off...the tuktuk driver then got his mate and they started to beat him...he then probably kicked out trying to defend himself.

it comes after the attack on the guy at kata beach....so obviously this doesnt look good for thailands tourist image...so the cops have added a little twist ...so it looks like the farang started it.....and they can make a few baht in the meantime.

end of story.....until the next one.

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I am not in favor for the tuktuk driver, however the Anwar guy is really a moron.

How much money he usually earns in Japan? Is THB50 a big deal for him?

Let's imagine, if he happens to drop a THB100 bill on an animal dropping, will he pick it up?

Yes, although it is totally wrong, but a poor tuktuk driver may want to sacrifice his blood for THB50.

Yes that the guy has been overcharged, but he has enough money to fly from Japan to Phuket and stays in hotel, why he has to make a fuss for 50Baht?

I guess that he also doesn't want to leave a tip in restaurant because the somtam is too spicy.

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In 2003 my Thai friend came to England. He *agreed* a price of £250 to be taken from the airport in London to the address in inner London where he was staying. He did not, as a tourist, know how far it was and also was not yet familiar with local taxi prices. He knew this was alot of money but he also expected England to be expensive and figured it may be the norm. Upon arriving at the address later he realised it was a short trip and questioned the price. The driver said a deal is a deal

What I would not do is start trying to defend his actions especially not with ridiculous calls to theory as you do. It doesnt matter if the canadian in this situation started it, or if he just felt he said he should. None of the specifics of this situation matter since you are the one wanting to defend the theory of beating someone up after they question an obviously overcharged price agreed upon in what is in most ways a manner of deceit.

What kind of tourist travels somewhere and doesn't ask beforehand how much from point A to B. Shouldn't you, as a friend, tell him how much it would be for a Taxi?

I'm truly surprised by the comments of worldly people that do things and take part in activities without knowing some background history on it.

A fool is born every day.....

250 pounds for a ride....your friend was not to smart....even if he didnt know the local cab prices or the exchange rate

the easy thing is to arrive at an airport and go to tourist information...in developed countries you will get honest information.

just ask the cheapest way into town...how much the cabs should be...where to get a legit cab.

its not rocket science

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So many negative replies, I ask you.

''Why are you all still here in Thailand ?''

I've lived and worked here for some 19 years and I certainly haven't had the experiences that many of you seem to have had.

Is it perhaps that you think you are superior to the ''natives'' ? Mix only with the expat community and don't really know the average Thai, refuse to accept that we need to adjust our outlook as much as a Thai would if living in a western style setting.

Come on you whingers and whiners, indeed Thailand is not perfect nor are any other countries in this world either,.

You we, me, we all have to adjust if it's too much to ask why not leave and find another personal paradise if such a state exists.

Let's make one thing clear, the Thais in Phuket do not behave the way Thais elsewhere do. Elsewhere for the most part Thais are polite and courteous, whereas here, that is the exception unless they are new arrivals. Ask any Thai that comes from another province to visit here and they will concur with this, but alas I digress from the topic.....................

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Let's make one thing clear, the Thais in Phuket do not behave the way Thais elsewhere do. Elsewhere for the most part Thais are polite and courteous, whereas here, that is the exception unless they are new arrivals. Ask any Thai that comes from another province to visit here and they will concur with this, but alas I digress from the topic.....................

Here ! here ! Soooooo true

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The kick certainly makes sense if you imagine that the tourist was being pinned by the (driver's) buddy. That the buddy arrived and had pinned the tourist in such a way that he could not defend himself from the driver with his arms...

Entirely believable. Most guys, who aren't patsies, would have done the same sort of thing. If your arms are being held behind you by one guy, while his pal is railing on you with fists, you've only got one leg or the other to defend yourself with.

Ar worst, the Canadian lost his cool and ticked off an easily-angered Thai. The Thai driver over-reacted violently, but was let off easy by the mamby pamby authorities, after the smoke cleared.

Meanwhile, tour books like Lonely Planet continue to espouse such ridiculous pap like; "Thais are a peace loving people, who disdain any signs of anger."

More realistically, tourists should be warned: "Thais generally avoid confrontation, but when seriously annoyed they're apt to erupt ferociously. There's no middle ground. It's either calm, calm, or the appearance of calm - or, when something clicks, it's postal beserkedness, with no holds barred."

Actually it should read:

"Thais generally exude an appearance of calm but are prone to violence, even in mundane disagreements, which are typically resolved peacefully in most other countries. Due to a dysfunctional, corrupt law enforcement system and rampant racism, foreigners should be warned that they are likely to be found responsible for any altercation between themselves and a Thai & consequently subject to extortion and possible incarceration, regardless of who is at fault." 

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My feelings are the local government are at fault for not having regulated these tuktuks years ago, Its quite clear there should be some kind of shuttle bus service but i read somewhere this mafia did,nt allow it or even burned a bus to the ground?

Why is it the local government dont have control over the police and tuktuk mafia? or are they on the take also. :)

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I don't believe this,

2 years ago I was driving an insured rent motorbike in Chiangmai when a female cardriver cut' me off on my lane and I hit her cardoor with 50km/h, I was lucky not to get seriously injured.

It was clear that b**ch was 100% wrong, though via threaths of her dad the tourist police warned me for court procedures that could take years, and loss of my visa if I did not simply agree to pay the 7.000 damage of her 20+ year old car just to get the case closed quickly.

(may Buddha punish them !)

Guess it's kind of the same story...

That's what you have in a feudal, hierarchal society where POSITION and FACE are more important than accountability.

In the previous thread about the tuk tuk driver, that assaulted the French family, I asked "what is fair and reasonable behaviour, from Puket transport providers, that tourists coming to Phuket should expect?".

Being assaulted, or even being intimidated, is not what they should be expecting. They should also not be expecting to be overcharged, cheated and scammed. Fair and reasonable behaviour would also include a degree of honesty when it comes to quoting a fare. If the customers intended destination is only one minute away, is it fair and reasonable to take advantage of the customers lack of knowledge? Therein lies the heart of the problem. The mindset of the tuk tuk drivers is, unfortunately, one that always looks to overcharge, cheat and scam. The ability for them to do this, and continue to do this, is reinforced by the fact that there are no standardised fares displayed - such as you have in Pattaya. The tuk tuk drivers will always look to take advantage of a tourists' lack of knowledge or, as happened to me a few years ago, their misfortune. If you're running late for a flight and you flag down a tuk tuk, be assured they'll take advantage of the situation. If it's raining and you need to go over the hill from patong to karon, you'll get told a rediculously high fare. For all you apologists out there I'm sorry but no, you're wrong. The SOP of tuk tuk drivers, to man, is to gouge you for is much as they can because, as mentioned above, there are no standardised fares. The very reason that there is so much resistance, to standardised fares being put in place, obvaites the gouging mindset. How could be otherwise? If you've got no level playing field then it's open slather; it's that simple. Does anyone, however naively, really believe that the poor old tuk tuk driver, given the fact that there are no pricing controls in place, is ever going to offer you lower fare. Not in a heartbeat. Like I said, their whole MO is to overcharge, cheat and scam.

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