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'wasted on this bunch'???!!! VF certainly has a way with words! So far it's had 238 views and 12 replies but I'm sure it wasn't 'wasted' on the other 226 members who read it but didn't reply. Kandahar, I enjoy reading your posts and glad you don't write for a response.

Clearly this post has not been read by 247 different members. That is only a count of page views and refreshes. If you enjoy reading someone's post, then you should make that clear, as you have done here.

Just because ones motivation to write may be personal, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve a thoughtful response. This is after all a public forum for exchanging information and ideas. If we do not participate, then it ceases to function. We need more interaction not less.

We need to motivate and reward those who make an effort. How else will they know their efforts are appreciated. Reinforcement. :)

VF...Thanks for defining what "is needed" on this blog. It may be worth your reflection to broaden your narrow-mindedness and allow others to interact and participate as individuals...according to each individuals personal preferences, which may not be the same as yours. Shocking, I know. Motivate and reward your dog, allow others their individuality. Thanks for "motivating" me to reply to your "expectations". Peace.

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VF...Thanks for defining what "is needed" on this blog (forum). It may be worth your reflection to broaden your narrow-mindedness and allow others to interact and participate as individuals...according to each individuals personal preferences, which may not be the same as yours. Shocking, I know. Motivate and reward your dog, allow others their individuality. Thanks for "motivating" me to reply to your "expectations". Peace.

So you are allowed to be an individual and express your somewhat crude opinions while I am supposed to do what? I wasn't aware that I was blocking of disallowing anything. I thought I was being encouraging and far from narrow-minded.

Glad to be of help with your post count. Perhaps next year you will contribute once again. :)

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So let me get this straight Jubby. You think I would be better off to disengage my brain a little more often? I certainly can't agree with you on that, as agreement is not allowed. :D

No Not at all, although you could try it once maybe. :)

As a simpleton with limited literacy skills I do have problems expressing myself but I suppose what I'm trying to say is just try not to belittle us mere mortals once in a while. I was going to say maybe a little Humility but I doubt you regard humility as a Virtue.

Anyway, Its all good, I'd better get back to my party its sure to kick off anytime now . Laters :D

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So let me get this straight Jubby. You think I would be better off to disengage my brain a little more often? I certainly can't agree with you on that, as agreement is not allowed. :D

No Not at all, although you could try it once maybe. :)

As a simpleton with limited literacy skills I do have problems expressing myself but I suppose what I'm trying to say is just try not to belittle us mere mortals once in a while. I was going to say maybe a little Humility but I doubt you regard humility as a Virtue.

Anyway, Its all good, I'd better get back to my party its sure to kick off anytime now . Laters :D

I don't know Jub, if I ever disengaged it even once, perhaps it wouldn't ever go back into gear again. :D Come on, like it or not, how far would this thread have gone without me stirring the pot? This way it stays on the front page and more people get to read Kandahar's words. :D

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But VF, Its just so predictable now. your going to have to try changing tactics. Anyway, I must get back to the party. A farang was busy tellying me how wonderful and loyal is darling thai wife is, while her thai boyfriend serves us with drink & snacks. Why don't you drop by I'm sure its just up your street :)

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But VF, Its just so predictable now. your going to have to try changing tactics. Anyway, I must get back to the party. A farang was busy telling me how wonderful and loyal is darling thai wife is, while her thai boyfriend serves us with drink & snacks. Why don't you drop by I'm sure its just up your street :)

I'm quite enjoying the dry, cool, quiet comfort of my home. I'll venture out again after the festivities. Thanks for the invite, I'm sure you are very sincere. :D

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'waisted on this bunch'???!!! VF certainly has a way with words!

No, we also have to contribute to the well being of our in-laws, an obligation

we also would have had in the old days in our home countries.

Also that is part of the picture, which I have the feeling the one and the other

tries to escape once in a while.

I'm sure some do skip out on that responsibility. I take good care of the wife's folks. They live in the same house with us. The FIL is pretty far gone. I interact with the MIL every day. We have a lot of fun with each other; I more with her than she with me because I am more more of a cut-up and more playful. But she has her moments.

Today, I got her good. It turned out to be my job to pick a fruit that they call kanung. That's how it sounds, even if the spelling is off. I used my tall aluminum ladder to get myself directly under the first huge clump of them. I took a basket with me up the ladder. Mother was watching and supervising but I made sure the wife distracted her for a few seconds. As she was distracted, I lifted a huge cluster of bananas from the basket and placed them next to the fruit that I was to cut, hiding the bananas on the opposite side of the fruit cluster. She couldn't see them. I made a show of cutting the first big fruit and and allowed the banana clump to fall into my hand at the right moment. You should have seen her eyes. Priceless. How did that crazy Farang cut bananas out of the kanung tree? The laughter afterwards, including hers, was worth the trouble.

Quote: PS: Let me describe him as a former Dutch equestrian champion and horseman of the Royal Stables.

After almost four months in the Overbrook Hospital he finally passed away three days ago.

Because of the formalities we don't know yet when the cremation will be.

Sorry for the loss that this man's family and friends have suffered. I had heard of his troubles and I heard that he had passed.

Grief and sorrow- Two to be reckoned with by those who remain.

Thanks for letting all of us know of his passing.

I was never an equestrian champion. I did spend a lot of my childhood and teen years astride a horse that was more of a friend to me than most friends. Any man that spends a lot of time astride horses knows some things that I know and there is some common ground worth acknowledging. I have never known a good horseman that didn't earn my respect.

kandahar

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Thanks to Kandahar for the OP and to everyone else for their input. A very good read.

I think I should mention that I find VF's posts, threads and blog, well written and very stimulating. To call him narrow minded is, I believe, narrow minded :)

With regard to the 'time machine' concept, I agree, there are many things from the past that could do with a little resurrection.

I suppose it depends where you spent that time.

For me, in London, it's true there was more respect for people, everyone knew each other a little more and I remember going to the shop for my Auntie and getting things 'on bail' ie eat now pay when you can, and neighbours all chipping in with keeping the kids in line.

I also remember crushing poverty, class discrimination, domestic violence, very poor housing, a police force that, whilst it had a veneer of 'community' about it, was corrupt, vindictive and violent.

Nothing is permanent, things continually change, some things that we perceive to be good disappear but some that are bad are also happily consigned to the past.

Where I grew up is unrecognisable, London has always been like that, if you go away for a couple of years, when you come back it's all changed, roads don't go where they used to, large buildings you used to see every day aren't there any more, the faces on the street are different.

'Twas ever thus.

I have only visited CR (city) very briefly, spent a little longer further north in the same province and have to say I found it very appealing.

I'm not convinced that the values expressed in the OP are from the past, I hope they continue to flourish and I am confident that while the 'march of time' can be seen as a bad thing, in many ways it allows people to broaden their knowledge and desire to enquire as to the value of everything, which, in my not so humble opinion, is what makes life worth living.

I've always questioned everything, now that I'm a little older that doesn't necessarily mean that I don't accept it, but I still want to know 'why'

Thanks again for the thread.

Biff

P.S. the other thing I find attractive about CR is the people in this forum, I'm not sure if a 'real life' meeting would be on the cards or not but I find them, generally speaking, a very intelligent and thoughtful bunch :D

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and Jubby's post about the dog and his in-laws had me chuckling too! thanks m8 :)

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Thanks Biff, for the kind words. They are greatly appreciated but may not stand you in good stead in certain quarters. :)

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Thanks to Kandahar for the OP and to everyone else for their input. A very good read.

I think I should mention that I find VF's posts, threads and blog, well written and very stimulating. To call him narrow minded is, I believe, narrow minded :)

With regard to the 'time machine' concept, I agree, there are many things from the past that could do with a little resurrection.

I suppose it depends where you spent that time.

For me, in London, it's true there was more respect for people, everyone knew each other a little more and I remember going to the shop for my Auntie and getting things 'on bail' ie eat now pay when you can, and neighbours all chipping in with keeping the kids in line.

I also remember crushing poverty, class discrimination, domestic violence, very poor housing, a police force that, whilst it had a veneer of 'community' about it, was corrupt, vindictive and violent.

Nothing is permanent, things continually change, some things that we perceive to be good disappear but some that are bad are also happily consigned to the past.

Where I grew up is unrecognisable, London has always been like that, if you go away for a couple of years, when you come back it's all changed, roads don't go where they used to, large buildings you used to see every day aren't there any more, the faces on the street are different.

'Twas ever thus.

I have only visited CR (city) very briefly, spent a little longer further north in the same province and have to say I found it very appealing.

I'm not convinced that the values expressed in the OP are from the past, I hope they continue to flourish and I am confident that while the 'march of time' can be seen as a bad thing, in many ways it allows people to broaden their knowledge and desire to enquire as to the value of everything, which, in my not so humble opinion, is what makes life worth living.

I've always questioned everything, now that I'm a little older that doesn't necessarily mean that I don't accept it, but I still want to know 'why'

Thanks again for the thread.

Biff

P.S. the other thing I find attractive about CR is the people in this forum, I'm not sure if a 'real life' meeting would be on the cards or not but I find them, generally speaking, a very intelligent and thoughtful bunch :D

Nice post, good man. Always good to see a contribution as opposed to retribution.

I am sorry to say, I don't know London. I passed through an airport there once and found it a hel_l of a lot better than the previous stopover in an airport in France and that is about the end of it.

I agree, some of the past is better left in the past. I don't miss the bad stuff. I remember driving through a burnt-out section of a major city in the strife-torn 60's. Bad stuff happened there and lives were lost, families torn.

In my old homeland, metal detectors greet you at school doors now. Armed policemen roam the halls. And on and on and on.........

This place hasn't met that fate yet. Again, the family values are what keeps a smile on this face.

Yes, change is inevitable. But for some folks, the battle to keep it at bay is a worthy one, even if it is a losing one. In CR, I don't think it is a battle. At the moment, the good stuff is still the "present". I appreciate that. I don't take it for granted, nor do I think that this is just the way the world is. No, I see it as VERY valuable at this time in my life and I didn't see that value when I was younger. I didn't really know what I had.

Thanks for you input on the postings of VF.

And yes, jubby and his balls...... What kind of day would we have without a report like that? AND he makes us all a little more proud of our own in-laws while he is at it. I have an alcoholic BIL but he keeps his hands to himself.

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Yes, my little reports .............. people watching is so much more interesting here than in my home country. They've been entertaining me now for 15 years or so, Its funny in a slightly disturbing way, and was expensive entertainment in the early years. Its a shame most of the real characters get wisked away early by Bhudda.

Your all invited next year.

As for a meet up if someone was to actually organise it I'm sure it could be equally entertaining :)

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"I especially agree with: "If the world in our old countries still would be the same as it was

when we were young or as we wish to remember it, we probably wouldn't be here .....!"

It hurts me to have left my country. There was a time when it was unthinkable.

But now, a lot of what was there to love is gone and therefore, easier to leave, less to miss".

... Kandahar entrusted us.

Of course we have to be carefull that we don't draw our conclusions too fast.

Most of us are between fifty and seventy years old and have possibly recently

survived a mid-life crisis or 'peno-pause' (others might still be in the middle of it)

and have thus reached an age at which people generally start looking back, often

in 'mode nostalgia'.

Young people hardly look back, they are future orientated and not hindered by

malfunctioning memories.

One thing though I think I remember very well, is that my father, when he was at our age

always told me that life was better in 'the old days'.

History repeats itself, because knowledge of history is still like a big light at the rear of a

ship sailing into darkness. The only thing history learns us, we might say, is that we don't

learn anything of it.

Kandahar puts it exactly the way it is: the country we thought to love doesn't exist anymore.

Even if we would go back we wouldn't find it anymore. We would recognize buildings, bridges,

churches and all the other material testimonies of our past, but we would feel estranged from

them. People seem to move faster, seem to be unnecessary rude; It makes us feel like strangers

in our own country.Yes Kandahar, it hurts!

Many of us would also feel that the people are not 'our' people anymore. We see representatives

from other nations, races, cultures and hear them speak our language. Sometimes it seems as if

they partly have replaced the indigenous population of which we were part.

But now my friends, we are immigrants ourselves! Immigrants in Thailand!

Our 'burkha's and bournousses' look different from those that are worn in Europe by immigrants

from northern African or Eastern countries.

Many of us prefer to walk on flipflops that Thai people only use in their toilets. Many of us like to

show the hair on their legs and in their armpits, while excessive body fat seems hardly to be

contained by the underwear in which the town is hit.

It is fascinating to see that Thai people look at us with the same feigned indifference as we look

at those immigrants in our home countries that prefer to move around like walking tents.

But aside from the physical appearance with which many of us ostentatively turn their backs to our

host country, how is it with our mental willingness to see this beautiful country as more than just a

background of a stage on which we think to play such important parts?

The number of western immigrants has got so high in Chiang Rai that a sub culture emerges.

Exactly the same picture we know from western immigration countries: when there are too many

immigrants they become self-satisfied.

When I started this forum five years ago I meant it to be an instrument to support participation of

foreigners in the social life of Chiang Rai (call it integration) and a source of information.

Especially in the field of sports, mainly bicycling and football, and culture, concerts and visual arts,

we see a great participation of foreigners, not only passively but also actively engaged.

Participating in mountainbike challenges it felt great not to be a foreigner but a cyclist among cyclists.

The opening of the very succesfull photography exhibition 'Chiang Rai through Foreign Eyes' made by

16 local foreigners, attracted more than sixty foreigners and was in Chiang Saen and Chiang Rai

further visited by more than 12.000 Thai people. This forum was at the base of this project.

Thai people like to see us enjoy the same things they enjoy. The football 'group' counted about 25

members and cultural manifestations (openings of exhibitions and classical concerts) are mostly

visited by ten to thirty fellow expats.

The Society of Friends of Rai Mae Fah Luang and the Hash House Harriers are both mixed clubs.

The forum has many other functions. For expats living in villages the chatbox threads are very important

and for those who are mentally masturbative oriented the forum is like tissue paper.

Limbo :)

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I don't always completely understand what your trying to say Limbo.

But this was a very thought provoking post; Humorous which is important to me and also very true.

Brilliant. Thanks for posting Limbo, Honestly.

................ Now pass the Tissue Paper :)

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Thanks Biff, for the kind words. They are greatly appreciated but may not stand you in good stead in certain quarters. :)

<deleted> it, I don't care, I speak as I find :D

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