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Anyone who ships anything into Thailand using Fed-Ex, DHL or UPS -- other than non-dutiable documents -- is either asking for grief or just has too much money and wants to give some away...

The first rule of shipping into Thailand is, don't use those shippers for anything...

I'd have to say that whoever ships anywhere using those courier services as just asking to be taxed. UPS and Fedex are never hesitant to at least add some insane "handling fee" on the receiver's end in addition to whatever they thought was an appropriate duty.

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Anyone who ships anything into Thailand using Fed-Ex, DHL or UPS -- other than non-dutiable documents -- is either asking for grief or just has too much money and wants to give some away...

The first rule of shipping into Thailand is, don't use those shippers for anything...

I'd have to say that whoever ships anywhere using those courier services as just asking to be taxed. UPS and Fedex are never hesitant to at least add some insane "handling fee" on the receiver's end in addition to whatever they thought was an appropriate duty.

Not Thailand, but from when I have shipped out of Thailand and to the US or Europe, this reflects what I have experienced.

I recently had 8 euros worth of samples sent from Germany to a company in the Philippines. This went by a commercial shipping agent.  When the package arrived, there was almost $250 worth of duties, paperwork, clearances, etc added on to the bill.  So $150 is shipping and $250 is extra charges for 8 euros worth of samples.  And they took 5 days to clear customs after they arrived in-country. 

The samples were the wrong size, so I told the company to send me the correct size, and I told them to use DHL..  The package cost around $70 to ship, there was another $30 for handling and clearance, and they were delivered to the door 3 days after leaving Germany. 

I regularly use UPS to ship products from Thailand to the US, and DHL was certainly a better choice for the Germany to the Philippines shipment.

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Anyone who ships anything into Thailand using Fed-Ex, DHL or UPS -- other than non-dutiable documents -- is either asking for grief or just has too much money and wants to give some away...

The first rule of shipping into Thailand is, don't use those shippers for anything...

I have bought stuff abroad and shipped it to LOS with both FedEx, DHL and UPS I'd say at least 15 times the last couple of years. Golfclubs, electronics etc. I have NEVER had any problems with customs.

Can you explain that? Am I just plain lucky?

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Maybe we're not talking about the same thing...

I'm talking about ordering something online from a U.S. site, and then the vendor shipping it to Thailand (and to me as the recipient) via one of the commercial overnight shipping companies.

The problem isn't with the packages being damaged or not arriving. The problem is with such packages (other than documents or things of very small value) usually getting hit with exhorbitant customs duties and handling fees--apart from the actual cost of shipping itself.

If you're the one sending from abroad, you're not on the receiving end in Thailand where all the ridiculous charges get tacked on.

Anyone who ships anything into Thailand using Fed-Ex, DHL or UPS -- other than non-dutiable documents -- is either asking for grief or just has too much money and wants to give some away...

The first rule of shipping into Thailand is, don't use those shippers for anything...

I have bought stuff abroad and shipped it to LOS with both FedEx, DHL and UPS I'd say at least 15 times the last couple of years. Golfclubs, electronics etc. I have NEVER had any problems with customs.

Can you explain that? Am I just plain lucky?

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Maybe we're not talking about the same thing...

I'm talking about ordering something online from a U.S. site, and then the vendor shipping it to Thailand (and to me as the recipient) via one of the commercial overnight shipping companies.

The problem isn't with the packages being damaged or not arriving. The problem is with such packages (other than documents or things of very small value) usually getting hit with exhorbitant customs duties and handling fees--apart from the actual cost of shipping itself.

If you're the one sending from abroad, you're not on the receiving end in Thailand where all the ridiculous charges get tacked on.

Anyone who ships anything into Thailand using Fed-Ex, DHL or UPS -- other than non-dutiable documents -- is either asking for grief or just has too much money and wants to give some away...

The first rule of shipping into Thailand is, don't use those shippers for anything...

I have bought stuff abroad and shipped it to LOS with both FedEx, DHL and UPS I'd say at least 15 times the last couple of years. Golfclubs, electronics etc. I have NEVER had any problems with customs.

Can you explain that? Am I just plain lucky?

I AM on the recieving end. I buy from various companies abroad and they ship to me using FedEx or similar. I have never been subject to something dodgy. I pay the regulated customs, tax VAT and similar. Nothing else.

What are you guys doing to be hit with this? I mean, I have done this for a couple of years and NEVER experienced anything like what you're all talking about.

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It may depend on what kinds of things you're actually shipping...and if you're accurately completing the customs declarations...

For example, clothing items have a particularly high Thai official duty on them. I remember ordering something via a U.S. web site (because I'm tall and can't get the items here) that was shipped here by DHL...

I posted the details in another TV thread at the time. But basically, the shipping cost and the duties each were almost the price of the clothing items themselves. And actually, the customs duty, VAT and handling charges in total ended up costing more together than the total value of the 4 or 5 clothing items (shirts and pants) I had shipping. In other words, the total duty and tax (apart from the actual DHL shipping fee) was more than 100% of the value of the my goods.

Why don't you give some specifics of the kinds of things you've been shipping, and how the duties/customs/VAT charges have compared to the value of your items shipped.

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It may depend on what kinds of things you're actually shipping...and if you're accurately completing the customs declarations...

For example, clothing items have a particularly high Thai official duty on them. I remember ordering something via a U.S. web site (because I'm tall and can't get the items here) that was shipped here by DHL...

I posted the details in another TV thread at the time. But basically, the shipping cost and the duties each were almost the price of the clothing items themselves. And actually, the customs duty, VAT and handling charges in total ended up costing more together than the total value of the 4 or 5 clothing items (shirts and pants) I had shipping. In other words, the total duty and tax (apart from the actual DHL shipping fee) was more than 100% of the value of the my goods.

Why don't you give some specifics of the kinds of things you've been shipping, and how the duties/customs/VAT charges have compared to the value of your items shipped.

I pay according to what is stipulated in Thai law. What else do you need to know?

http://www.thaivisa.com/thailand_vat.0.html

I have already told you what I have imported. Golf clubs, electronic equipment. I have also imported jewelry and clothes.

I really don’t see the problem here, are you guys doing something dodgy and get pissed off when you can’t get away with it! (Like having the sender incorrectly label the item as a gift or something that’s broken?)?

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I'd hardly say reporting clothing items accurately and at real value, and then being charged 100%+ customs/duty/VAT is doing something "dodgy"... The only thing "dodgy" is Thai customs and their cohorts at the shipping houses...

But I don't believe you've said just what kinds of percentages of duty you've paid... Maybe you're happy paying 100%+.

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I did ship one of my Breitlings to Geneva for a repair. I did NOT pay a single satang in tax, weird fee, customs or VAT even though the value was clearly stated on the FedEx shipment.

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I AM on the recieving end. I buy from various companies abroad and they ship to me using FedEx or similar. I have never been subject to something dodgy. I pay the regulated customs, tax VAT and similar. Nothing else.

What are you guys doing to be hit with this? I mean, I have done this for a couple of years and NEVER experienced anything like what you're all talking about.

Yeah, this is what I meant as well. I ordered Tungsten rings into Thailand and was hit with taxes/fess equal to more than half the declared value (which was exactly equal to to the cost). Same thing always happens to me in Canada when not using the federal postal system.

(As an aside, I thought the purpose of duties was to protect the internal market of the item being taxed. There are no Tungsten rings made or sold in Thailand - and there is no partial or complete substitute - thus in theory shouldn't the import of these rings be non-dutiable?)

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I did ship one of my Breitlings to Geneva for a repair. I did NOT pay a single satang in tax, weird fee, customs or VAT even though the value was clearly stated on the FedEx shipment.

A Thai customs agent can smell a fake watch from a mile away.... :ph34r:

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So first of all, for all of you who blaims Thai customs for this: your item is first cleared by the shipping company; that'd be DHL, FedEx or whatever, they will then charge you that amount PLUS their handling fee. If you think there is something wrong you can just file a complaint with that company. MAke sure you make the intial payment using your VISA or Amex and you're in a perfect position to walk away with no damage.

How does the Thai customs become a foul player in this..?

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You're a real pip today...and unfortunately, far off from the truth...

I never called you or anyone else a liar... And I certainly didn't ask for advice from you...

And, you're talking about shipping TO Geneva, which is totally unrelated to shipping something TO Thailand... You pay as the recipient of INBOUND good...not on the sending of outbound goods.

I did ship one of my Breitlings to Geneva for a repair. I did NOT pay a single satang in tax, weird fee, customs or VAT even though the value was clearly stated on the FedEx shipment.

And you still have never said what kind of percentages of duty/tax you've paid on items incoming to Thailand....

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You're a real pip today...and unfortunately, far off from the truth...

I never called you or anyone else a liar... And I certainly didn't ask for advice from you...

And, you're talking about shipping TO Geneva, which is totally unrelated to shipping something TO Thailand... You pay as the recipient of INBOUND good...not on the sending of outbound goods.

I did ship one of my Breitlings to Geneva for a repair. I did NOT pay a single satang in tax, weird fee, customs or VAT even though the value was clearly stated on the FedEx shipment.

And you still have never said what kind of percentages of duty/tax you've paid on items incoming to Thailand....

I'd hardly say reporting clothing items accurately and at real value, and then being charged 100%+ customs/duty/VAT is doing something "dodgy"... The only thing "dodgy" is Thai customs and their cohorts at the shipping houses...

But I don't believe you've said just what kinds of percentages of duty you've paid... Maybe you're happy paying 100%+.

Calling someone a liar is hardly the best way of asking for advice. To put it frank, I'd be happy to see you get banned for a while. You deserve it.

I got the piece back from Breitling...

I pay according to Thai law. This just doesn't sink in, does it?

If you have doubts regarding Thai taxes I suggest you start here:

http://www.thailandt...CFUVB6wodIldswg

Here's another good one:

http://www.asiatradi....com/taxvat.htm

Or why not:

http://www.ethailand...dex.php?id=1800

The Thai sorce..:

http://www.rd.go.th/publish/index.html

Specifically on VAT:

http://www.rd.go.th/...ish/6043.0.html

More on customs:

http://www.customsclinic.org/

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