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El Shadai Orphanage

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Several of the sites indicate that not all of the children are orphans.

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Those of you who are becoming upset over this really need to go and see for yourselves. If you were not aware There are literally thousands of abandoned and orphan kids in the villages of Thailand. The reasons for such are multiple; such as car accidents, children whose parents are married but not to each other, illnesses such as HIV, and unwanted teen pregnancies. Yes the majority of times extended families do step in, but there are tons who fall through the cracks and Thailand is not exactly the pinnacle of social welfare.

Many of these kids end up in horrendous and abusive situations, and some are even left to die in hills. Yes it would be good if the government was looking out for these kids, but we all know that hill tribe kids are a low priority in this nation.

So some Christians are actually doing something about it. Is that a bad thing to give a kid a home and some rice to eat. And obviously this is coming at a great sacrifice because they are not rich people. Give your head a shake and think about how you can help the situation instead of just making destructive comments.

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Well said canuckamuck. I've met many Christains here in Chiang Rai. Chiang Rai seems awash with Christains. They all seem to want to do good in their own way, some expect nothing in return and some expect the receiver of the goodwill to convert or something. Brainwashing, I'm not sure. Better that than the alternative.

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I don't consider a single destructive comment has been made; some of us are just curious about the orphanage, or foster home as it seems to be, and how it works.

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Hi 54hudson262 and welcome to Thai Visa's Chiang Rai forum.

Many of the regular posters on this forum have been living in Chiang rai for many years, myself about 10 years and are fairly familiar with Chiang Rai and its surrounding areas. I confess to have never heard of this "orphanage" El Shaddai or El Shadai until a few days ago and on researching I found the many websites posting about it.

There does seem to be a lot of secrecy about it and this leads myself and others wondering, is it a scam or not.

Chiang Rai does seem to be filled with so called do-gooders these days" with bible thumping, brain washing ideas on how to save " aids infected, prostitute children from the jungles of Chiang Rai.

They are activily harvested children for their dormitories and spilling out religious tripe and cashing in on the kind heartiness of others.

Most of the children come from Buddhists homes and should be brought up as such, why not give them the necessities of life without the religious tripe.

Unfortunitly El Shadai seems to fit the model exactly and I am very dubious about it. If you can show otherwise, I'm sure there are many members in Chiang Rai forum that will be glad to help.

A good start would be the location, or is that a secret?

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Hi 54hudson262 and welcome to Thai Visa's Chiang Rai forum.

Many of the regular posters on this forum have been living in Chiang rai for many years, myself about 10 years and are fairly familiar with Chiang Rai and its surrounding areas. I confess to have never heard of this "orphanage" El Shaddai or El Shadai until a few days ago and on researching I found the many websites posting about it.

There does seem to be a lot of secrecy about it and this leads myself and others wondering, is it a scam or not.

Chiang Rai does seem to be filled with so called do-gooders these days" with bible thumping, brain washing ideas on how to save " aids infected, prostitute children from the jungles of Chiang Rai.

They are activily harvested children for their dormitories and spilling out religious tripe and cashing in on the kind heartiness of others.

Most of the children come from Buddhists homes and should be brought up as such, why not give them the necessities of life without the religious tripe.

Unfortunitly El Shadai seems to fit the model exactly and I am very dubious about it. If you can show otherwise, I'm sure there are many members in Chiang Rai forum that will be glad to help.

A good start would be the location, or is that a secret?

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Interesting to see that any donations through that website have to go to Boulder, Colorado.

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Just had a look at the website of this orphange and, although I don't agree with missionaries who come here solely for the purpose of converting buddhists to christianity, it looks like this is one of the more genuine ones where the kids involved are being given the love and care they deserve. Obviously we don't know the background behind each kid that is there but it does seem like they are much better off there than any other option available to them and, with or without religion being involved, the welfare of the kids should be the main priority.

Interesting point that Sceadugenga made, I wonder what % of the donations actually make it to the folk who run the orphange? There are a lot of 'missionaries' now who lead very good lives due to the donations that they or their foundation receive, often with very little $ actually going to the people it is intended for.

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The kids are not ethnic Thais according to the website, which would explain the lack of government funding.

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True, and I suspect the second points true also. I would like to take a look sometime.

As I've said before, I've met lots of Christains here with foundations and all. The intention is to do 'Gods' work I suppose. I haven't met a lot of Buddists who do the same, maybe they are out there but I do suspect they are too busy making merit (looking after themselves for next time around) at the temple

This was a reply to skyb's post by the way.

Doesn't anyone want to contribute to any of our other threads !?

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Interesting to see that any donations through that website have to go to Boulder, Colorado.

from looking at the website, it appears that the people raising money for the orphanage come from Colorado, so that's probably why.

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Interesting to see that any donations through that website have to go to Boulder, Colorado.

from looking at the website, it appears that the people raising money for the orphanage come from Colorado, so that's probably why.

:)

That is exactly true. That particular web site was set up by a Trip Advisor member who lives in Colorado and went to the orphanage with a group of friends in April. They went to do some painting on the building and to buy a fridge for the family. They set that up to raise money to take over from their family and friends. All of the money they raised and a significant donation from their own pockets all went to the orphanage. They were just a group of travelers raising funds. She will be going back later in the year and is probably still trying to raise some cash to take. That's it.

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Just had a look at the website of this orphange and, although I don't agree with missionaries who come here solely for the purpose of converting buddhists to christianity, it looks like this is one of the more genuine ones where the kids involved are being given the love and care they deserve. Obviously we don't know the background behind each kid that is there but it does seem like they are much better off there than any other option available to them and, with or without religion being involved, the welfare of the kids should be the main priority.

Interesting point that Sceadugenga made, I wonder what % of the donations actually make it to the folk who run the orphange? There are a lot of 'missionaries' now who lead very good lives due to the donations that they or their foundation receive, often with very little $ actually going to the people it is intended for.

whilst that is, undoubtedly, true I read this on the website;

"...We have all talked about the amazing amount we accomplished in the short time we were at the orphanage and what we will do to continue to assist in the survival of these caring, joyful and delightful children. We know that all this was possible as the result of the wonderful donations made by so many of you. Be gratified to know that every cent you donated was used at the orphanage and not a penny was used for any sort of administrative expense."

I'm often worried by the term 'missionary' but, it seems these people are genuinely moved to help the children in this orphanage. I know anyone can write anything on a website, but, seeing as lots of you are actually in the area, you could check it out for yourselves :jap:

They seem, from what is written there, genuinely moved by what they have seen and even talked of exploring the possibility of adopting some of the children themselves. This proved to be impossible due to the 'stateless' nature of their hilltribe background, no birth certificate, etc. Some $225 was raised by an adopted Asian girl in their home town who made and sold chocolates in church after she heard about these kids.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm the last person to stand up for missionaries and I'm sure there are some evangelistic fire and brimstone type people crashing around the world blathering on about all kinds of nonsense, but these folks didn't mention religion at all in their blog, although it may well be that that inspires them to do these things.

They just seem to have found people who need help and helped them. Along the way they have become emotionally involved too, as anyone with any kind of empathy would when brought into contact with such a situation.

So, and I say this to myself first, let's not be too quick to judge them?

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True, and I suspect the second points true also. I would like to take a look sometime.

As I've said before, I've met lots of Christains here with foundations and all. The intention is to do 'Gods' work I suppose. I haven't met a lot of Buddists who do the same, maybe they are out there but I do suspect they are too busy making merit (looking after themselves for next time around) at the temple

This was a reply to skyb's post by the way.

Doesn't anyone want to contribute to any of our other threads !?

There are plenty of Buddhist charities, they seem to be ignored by a lot of farangs who prefer to see Asians as selfish and self centred.

The Tzu Chi Foundation was founded in 1966 by a 30 year-old female monk called Dharma Master Cheng Yen. It runs international emergency relief operations, longer term aid programmes, as well as recycling centres, a TV and radio station and magazines within Taiwan.

It has very few paid staff, but thousands of volunteers give some, or all, of their time each week. They are expected to pay all their own expenses.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/30/tzu_chi_foundation/

http://www.google.com/Top/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Buddhism/Engaged_Buddhism/Organizations/

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