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I would like to thank Kandahar and Jubby plus the others, for their troubles visiting the orphanage and their reports.

Not once has a detailed account been given about the orphanage.

We all know now, how it all started with all the dots being joined, it has now put my mind at rest.

It was wonderful to hear more about the location and to what your other half's thought of the place.

At least now i have given you a new project.

You can all blame me, i have broad shoulders.

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I would like to thank Kandahar and Jubby plus the others, for their troubles visiting the orphanage and their reports.

Not once has a detailed account been given about the orphanage.

We all know now, how it all started with all the dots being joined, it has now put my mind at rest.

It was wonderful to hear more about the location and to what your other half's thought of the place.

At least now i have given you a new project.

You can all blame me, i have broad shoulders.

I'm a doubting Thomas too sometimes.

The owner couple didn't appear to be living well off the income and donations from the orphanage, No new 4x4 parked on the driveway (what driveway, just bare earth) . No big House , and I seriously doubt they've had Pizza either.

They do appear to have enough on their plate already with a couple of elderly relatives to take care of without the Children.

The Childrens Dorms were clean and nicely painted which is more than I can say for the family house.

We could all be wrong on this, maybe the House & 4x4 are in another Village , but I truely doubt it.

We all forgot to mention they were also raising a couple of black Pigs to the rear of the Girls dorm, which will no doubt supplement the childrens diet in the near future. Along with the barbecued Lizard B)

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As one of the TV members on the visit I would like to concur with Jubby's and Kandahar's assessment. I saw nothing amiss.

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. Along with the barbecued Lizard B)

Thanks for that, i will not forget :D

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Hi all,

I just want to point out that the original web link given to an El Shaddai Orphanage in Chiang Rai on this thread was not the same as the one visited on the weekend.

It was a completely different building (photos of some where else) and story.

There may well have at one time been another orphanage that the French woman was closely involved with.

It may be that this woman was a trigger for starting this particular orphanage but it would have only been in the very beginning - maybe a funding injection to start the building of a dorm (as described above).

In the years we have been involved and followed the progress of El Shadai there has never been any mention of this woman at all.

As far as lizard2010 goes - he has read countless posts and stories on El Shadai on the Chiang Rai forum of Trip Advisor and has done nothing but try to hinder the help forum members have tried to give.

His influence has been nothing short of destructive and I can not believe he is now trying to take the credit for introducing TV members to El Shadai.

He has constantly tried to cause trouble - hence this thread and his motivation for starting it - to infer only one guide can take you there.

He has been told over and over that this is not the case. Anyone is welcome to visit - just call first to let them know.

All the best to you all - it sounds like you help out where and when you can in and around Chiang Rai. I'm sure Mon and Surasak will appreciate any help what so ever.

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It takes allsorts Fairgo. I wouldn't ever have come across the place without Lizard bringing it to our attention. So indirectly you could thank him for that. lets not take this thread into negative territory again Guys.

It seem both of you agree its a worthy cause now anyway, so its all good :) ......... Init B)

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Hi all. "Thank you's" are in order!!!

Firstly, kandahar - for the time and effort taken to organise the run and for keeping an open mind from the word go.

To all the other members who went on the ride to the orphanage, plus their wives/partners/gf's - thanks for the positive feedback and comments made on this Forum since your return.

The thread has morphed from one of concern, doubt and inuendo to one of positive vibes.

You've all now found a "cause" worthy of some support. If you can find it in your hearts and pockets to help them out you'll be doing your little bit to make the world a better place and the few others who are already there helping, will be appreciative of a "lightening of the load".

Cheers

54Hudson262.

PS - You're right - the pigs will be supplementing the kids' diet, but as for BBQ-ing Lizard, I wouldn't, ........... it will leave a really bad taste in your mouth!!!!!!

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Hi all. "Thank you's" are in order!!!

Firstly, kandahar - for the time and effort taken to organise the run and for keeping an open mind from the word go.

To all the other members who went on the ride to the orphanage, plus their wives/partners/gf's - thanks for the positive feedback and comments made on this Forum since your return.

The thread has morphed from one of concern, doubt and inuendo to one of positive vibes.

You've all now found a "cause" worthy of some support. If you can find it in your hearts and pockets to help them out you'll be doing your little bit to make the world a better place and the few others who are already there helping, will be appreciative of a "lightening of the load".

Cheers

54Hudson262.

To be fair, I doubt there is a one of us, who does not have an extended family, of sorts, and village that we are helping to take care of, and therefore we are already doing our little bit to make the world a better place. As they say, charity begins at home.

I understand you are trying to motivate us but I take umbrage with you choice of words in the highlighted section. It implies that we are not already doing more than our fair share and have only now stumbled upon the idea of helping.

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Hi all. "Thank you's" are in order!!!

Firstly, kandahar - for the time and effort taken to organise the run and for keeping an open mind from the word go.

To all the other members who went on the ride to the orphanage, plus their wives/partners/gf's - thanks for the positive feedback and comments made on this Forum since your return.

The thread has morphed from one of concern, doubt and inuendo to one of positive vibes.

You've all now found a "cause" worthy of some support. If you can find it in your hearts and pockets to help them out you'll be doing your little bit to make the world a better place and the few others who are already there helping, will be appreciative of a "lightening of the load".

Cheers

54Hudson262.

To be fair, I doubt there is a one of us, who does not have an extended family, of sorts, and village that we are helping to take care of, and therefore we are already doing our little bit to make the world a better place. As they say, charity begins at home.

I understand you are trying to motivate us but I take umbrage with you choice of words in the highlighted section. It implies that we are not already doing more than our fair share and have only now stumbled upon the idea of helping.

Thats an interesting observation VF, especially as its your first post on the thread.

How can it imply 'You' are already not doing more than your fair share ? .

How can you take umbradge (be displeased) when you've not been involved in the conversation. Just curious !?

I didn't take umbrage by the way, as you will no doubt know already. , maybe I should have!? ; Maybe I'm thick or something :)

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Hi all. "Thank you's" are in order!!!

Firstly, kandahar - for the time and effort taken to organise the run and for keeping an open mind from the word go.

To all the other members who went on the ride to the orphanage, plus their wives/partners/gf's - thanks for the positive feedback and comments made on this Forum since your return.

The thread has morphed from one of concern, doubt and inuendo to one of positive vibes.

You've all now found a "cause" worthy of some support. If you can find it in your hearts and pockets to help them out you'll be doing your little bit to make the world a better place and the few others who are already there helping, will be appreciative of a "lightening of the load".

Cheers

54Hudson262.

To be fair, I doubt there is a one of us, who does not have an extended family, of sorts, and village that we are helping to take care of, and therefore we are already doing our little bit to make the world a better place. As they say, charity begins at home.

I understand you are trying to motivate us but I take umbrage with you choice of words in the highlighted section. It implies that we are not already doing more than our fair share and have only now stumbled upon the idea of helping.

Thats an interesting observation VF, especially as its your first post on the thread.

How can it imply 'You' are already not doing more than your fair share ? .

How can you take umbradge (be displeased) when you've not been involved in the conversation. Just curious !?

I didn't take umbrage by the way, as you will no doubt know already. , maybe I should have!? ; Maybe I'm thick or something :)

Is there some kind of time limit on participation? I didn't like the tone and you did, what is new about that? Just expressing an opinion, like you. :)

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Hi all. "Thank you's" are in order!!!

Firstly, kandahar - for the time and effort taken to organise the run and for keeping an open mind from the word go.

To all the other members who went on the ride to the orphanage, plus their wives/partners/gf's - thanks for the positive feedback and comments made on this Forum since your return.

The thread has morphed from one of concern, doubt and inuendo to one of positive vibes.

You've all now found a "cause" worthy of some support. If you can find it in your hearts and pockets to help them out you'll be doing your little bit to make the world a better place and the few others who are already there helping, will be appreciative of a "lightening of the load".

Cheers

54Hudson262.

To be fair, I doubt there is a one of us, who does not have an extended family, of sorts, and village that we are helping to take care of, and therefore we are already doing our little bit to make the world a better place. As they say, charity begins at home.

I understand you are trying to motivate us but I take umbrage with you choice of words in the highlighted section. It implies that we are not already doing more than our fair share and have only now stumbled upon the idea of helping.

VF I have to disagree with you there mate, ok maybe if it read "you've all now found 'another' cause worthy of some support..." but then that could carry an implication that our extended families are charity cases. My point is that you could read all kinds of implications into anything people say and I doubt that that would be entirely useful.

It's true charity does begin at home but that shouldn't, in my opinion, prevent those who are able, from helping other people a bit further afield in some small way should they wish to.

I also didn't find Lizards comments to be undesirable or unhelpful, these things need to be discussed and, as Jubby pointed out, the place has now been visited and conclusions drawn.

I've spoken to Ms Tastic and she's now starting a 'box' in which she will put clothes and shoes etc. that her girls have grown out of so that they can be sent over, it's not much and she recently had a 'clear out' and gave away some stuff to people in her village but for the future she will be keeping some for the orphans. I hope the word can spread and that the people at the Wat can start to do a similar thing. Rather than give money directly I hope that this can develop into a small, regular and sustainable gesture of support.

Let's try and keep some focus on what's really important here, the children.

Cheers, Biff

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I never took it any other way either. Jubby, perhaps we're both thick. Hey we could be bookends :lol:

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Hi all. "Thank you's" are in order!!!

Firstly, kandahar - for the time and effort taken to organise the run and for keeping an open mind from the word go.

To all the other members who went on the ride to the orphanage, plus their wives/partners/gf's - thanks for the positive feedback and comments made on this Forum since your return.

The thread has morphed from one of concern, doubt and inuendo to one of positive vibes.

You've all now found a "cause" worthy of some support. If you can find it in your hearts and pockets to help them out you'll be doing your little bit to make the world a better place and the few others who are already there helping, will be appreciative of a "lightening of the load".

Cheers

54Hudson262.

To be fair, I doubt there is a one of us, who does not have an extended family, of sorts, and village that we are helping to take care of, and therefore we are already doing our little bit to make the world a better place. As they say, charity begins at home.

I understand you are trying to motivate us but I take umbrage with you choice of words in the highlighted section. It implies that we are not already doing more than our fair share and have only now stumbled upon the idea of helping.

Thats an interesting observation VF, especially as its your first post on the thread.

How can it imply 'You' are already not doing more than your fair share ? .

How can you take umbradge (be displeased) when you've not been involved in the conversation. Just curious !?

I didn't take umbrage by the way, as you will no doubt know already. , maybe I should have!? ; Maybe I'm thick or something :)

Is there some kind of time limit on participation? I didn't like the tone and you did, what is new about that? Just expressing an opinion, like you. :)

Nothing, just struck me as rather odd. Anyway, welcome back VF :jap:

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I never took it any other way either. Jubby, perhaps we're both thick. Hey we could be bookends :lol:

Bookends indeed , you must be a northerner and a dumb blonde like me. :D

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