Thailand Blocks Access To WikiLeaks Website

[mca]

But I could quite easily access another person's page if you get my drift.

[TAWP]

I hate to be a bother and hopefully it's not too irritating to ask if the MICT are demanding ISP's to implement these websites to be blocked, what happens when they don't comply, as is apparently the case with 3BB on this particular blockage.

Often the implementation not being properly done seem to be a case of 'monkeys at the controls', as they might come later, be spotty etc. On TRUE in another part of Bangkok I meet blocked pages earlier that if the 24h-disconnect-reconnect assigned me to another C-net would not be blocked anymore...but would be on most other C-ranges.

If an ISP officially refuse they stand to loose their license as an ISP.

[kissdani]

A couple of days ago I tried to access the Wikipedia page of HMK from my mobile phone (AIS GSM Advance) and they'd blocked it.

I only wanted to get some info to help my daughter with her homework!

For me only the English version is blocked (True, Bangkok) and that since long time. You can still read the Thai version and any other language too. It pays out not to be only monolingual in English, learn Thai or other languages. Useful for many other situation.

[kissdani]

From what I understood on MCT radio this morning Wikileaks was blocked - in the interest of National Security in light of the threat posed by elements in the North etc - in short they were blaming the Redshirts and using them as an excuse to continue their clampdown - presumably until they think they can win a general election.

I amazes me that time and again people point out that Abhisit went to Eton and "Oxbridge" as if that guarantees some kind of democratic leanings - the truth is that hundreds of hideous dictators and megalomaniacs trod the path he has trodden.....Fascists, Communists, dictators or simply ineffective puppets, just being educated in the west is no guarantee.....and here we see yet another example of Thailand's authoritarian approach to government.

BTW - the same newscast stated the govt had blocked tens of thousands o fweb sites

Right, it is a silly believe that Abhisit thinks like a westerner just because he went to Oxford.

Not want compare them but just to show that western education means nothing is that Pol Pot went to the Sorbonne.

I think that the falangs at TVF that are so impressed by Abhisits education path never went to an university themselves or got some higher education, so they overestimate that what they don't know.

Abhisit also isn't much of a puppet, that is kinda a false and misleading impression. He knows what he does. His policies are 100% that what the Thai Democrats stands for. Very close ties to he military and an to rule an collectivist society like an army general who knows best what is good for the 'troops' under his commando, a leadership in the name of the 'greater good' or something like that. And in this point not much different from Thaksin. Thailand is not the West, something what farangs tend to forget.

[mca]

A couple of days ago I tried to access the Wikipedia page of HMK from my mobile phone (AIS GSM Advance) and they'd blocked it.

I only wanted to get some info to help my daughter with her homework!

For me only the English version is blocked (True, Bangkok) and that since long time. You can still read the Thai version and any other language too. It pays out not to be only monolingual in English, learn Thai or other languages. Useful for many other situation.

Er..... Dunno where my post suggested I can't read or speak Thai. Basically my phone blocks the Wiki page for HMK but not for HMP whereas my TOT at home allows full access. That's it.

[kissdani]

A couple of days ago I tried to access the Wikipedia page of HMK from my mobile phone (AIS GSM Advance) and they'd blocked it.

I only wanted to get some info to help my daughter with her homework!

For me only the English version is blocked (True, Bangkok) and that since long time. You can still read the Thai version and any other language too. It pays out not to be only monolingual in English, learn Thai or other languages. Useful for many other situation.

Er..... Dunno where my post suggested I can't read or speak Thai. Basically my phone blocks the Wiki page for HMK but not for HMP whereas my TOT at home allows full access. That's it.

Yes, and I said that for me only the English version is blocked; on True, a 404 error "The requested URL was not found on this server", is diplayed. dishonestly disguise this censorship. So is the Thai version blocked on your mobile or not?

It is still useful to speak more than only English and to be able to speak Thai too. Not always, but in more than a few cases, specially in Thailand related topics, the information found on Thai wikipedia are 'better', much more comprehensive.

[rubl]

On wikipedia you can find english information on HMK under Rama IX. Somehow makes sense.

Edited August 20, 2010 by rubl

[bulmercke]

Oops, I went, and I saw something I should not see. How do I remove the temporary files from my computer?

chantorn - come on - be realistic. Just about every foreigner I know in this country has either viewed the video OR has attempted to view it - or at least knows about it. And as for our Thai friends........

Nothin' to worry about.

[Deeral]

From what I understood on MCT radio this morning Wikileaks was blocked - in the interest of National Security in light of the threat posed by elements in the North etc - in short they were blaming the Redshirts and using them as an excuse to continue their clampdown - presumably until they think they can win a general election.

I amazes me that time and again people point out that Abhisit went to Eton and "Oxbridge" as if that guarantees some kind of democratic leanings - the truth is that hundreds of hideous dictators and megalomaniacs trod the path he has trodden.....Fascists, Communists, dictators or simply ineffective puppets, just being educated in the west is no guarantee.....and here we see yet another example of Thailand's authoritarian approach to government.

BTW - the same newscast stated the govt had blocked tens of thousands o fweb sites

Right, it is a silly believe that Abhisit thinks like a westerner just because he went to Oxford.

Not want compare them but just to show that western education means nothing is that Pol Pot went to the Sorbonne.

I think that the falangs at TVF that are so impressed by Abhisits education path never went to an university themselves or got some higher education, so they overestimate that what they don't know.

Abhisit also isn't much of a puppet, that is kinda a false and misleading impression. He knows what he does. His policies are 100% that what the Thai Democrats stands for. Very close ties to he military and an to rule an collectivist society like an army general who knows best what is good for the 'troops' under his commando, a leadership in the name of the 'greater good' or something like that. And in this point not much different from Thaksin. Thailand is not the West, something what farangs tend to forget.

So rather than a puppet of the military, he is a collaborator? - OK - I think it would be pretty difficult to tell the two options apart.

I think as far as the Oxford Uni thing is concerned, you have a good point. I think it would also help to look at the circles he used to hang around in at Oxford - I'm told they were basically the ultra right hoo-rah Henri set.

I believe old Boris what's-his-name the Mayor of London was one of his pals.

Anyhow I'm sure his instincts are to patronise rather than fraternise with the Thai electorate

[Deeral]

BTW - my Wikileaks ain't blocked no more.

Let me quote "Swerver" from another thread about opening a road n Pattaya....

"The above shows how true the following is:

The Thais have no halftones in their register of vision. …

They exclude compromise and pursue their logic of their ideas to its absurd ends, without seeing the incongruity of their opposed conclusions.

Their convictions are by instinct, their activities intuitional. … "

I'm not sure I agree 100% but I'm sure this can equally be applied to the blocking of this web site.

[kissdani]

So rather than a puppet of the military, he is a collaborator? - OK - I think it would be pretty difficult to tell the two options apart.

I think as far as the Oxford Uni thing is concerned, you have a good point. I think it would also help to look at the circles he used to hang around in at Oxford - I'm told they were basically the ultra right hoo-rah Henri set.

I believe old Boris what's-his-name the Mayor of London was one of his pals.

Anyhow I'm sure his instincts are to patronise rather than fraternise with the Thai electorate

FM Korn was a pal in Oxford but don't overestimate his years at Oxford or with who he used to hang out. Not sure if you can draw there a connection to the man who is now the Mayor of London, you maybe dislike them both for somewhat similar reasons but Boris and Abhisit and their politics are pretty much different.

Abhisits was also educated in Thailand, went also here to school and university, Chulalongkorn and Ramkhamhaeng.

More that his education we should consider that Abhisit comes from an influential family, his grandfather was minister in the cabinet of military dictator Field Marshal Sarit Dhanarajata 1959-63 and minister in the cabinet of military dictator Field Marshal Thanom Kittikachorn 1963-69, his father served as minister in the 1991/92 Junta Cabinets.

Don't look in a 'narrow minded western way' of think at all this junta, military and dictator stuff. These previous governments were on a peacekeeping and doing-good for Thailand mission and nothing else; according to how the history is written in Thailand.

That why i would say calling him a 'puppet' is maybe not that correct, because that 'puppet' thing has a negative connotation. His is an immanent part of that system, connection to the military are seen as positive in Thailand, so there is nothing much to hide. I mean a term like 'puppet' you would use when it is actually not what it seems to be. Like the 'western democracy style looking' Abhist is in reality just a proxy for the military rulers or so. True, Abhisit nor the Democats have much in common with that western democracy style but they are also never pretend to be something like that. That is only a TVF farang misconception.

It is like you said an authoritarian approach to govern. Abhist isn't some poor unlucky dude, who has to bow to the military but still tries to make the 'best' out of it and bring Thailand forward to a 'modern' western democracy. The miltary is Thai Democrats best friends forever and Abhisit stand for a pretty much conservative, old fashioned and somehow backward way. you are right with "to patronise rather than fraternise with the Thai electorate"

[way2muchcoffee]

So rather than a puppet of the military, he is a collaborator? - OK - I think it would be pretty difficult to tell the two options apart.

I think as far as the Oxford Uni thing is concerned, you have a good point. I think it would also help to look at the circles he used to hang around in at Oxford - I'm told they were basically the ultra right hoo-rah Henri set.

I believe old Boris what's-his-name the Mayor of London was one of his pals.

Anyhow I'm sure his instincts are to patronise rather than fraternise with the Thai electorate

Evidence to back up you assertions will of course be forthcoming.

[Deeral]

So rather than a puppet of the military, he is a collaborator? - OK - I think it would be pretty difficult to tell the two options apart.

I think as far as the Oxford Uni thing is concerned, you have a good point. I think it would also help to look at the circles he used to hang around in at Oxford - I'm told they were basically the ultra right hoo-rah Henri set.

I believe old Boris what's-his-name the Mayor of London was one of his pals.

Anyhow I'm sure his instincts are to patronise rather than fraternise with the Thai electorate

FM Korn was a pal in Oxford but don't overestimate his years at Oxford or with who he used to hang out. Not sure if you can draw there a connection to the man who is now the Mayor of London, you maybe dislike them both for somewhat similar reasons but Boris and Abhisit and their politics are pretty much different.

Abhisits was also educated in Thailand, went also here to school and university, Chulalongkorn and Ramkhamhaeng.

More that his education we should consider that Abhisit comes from an influential family, his grandfather was minister in the cabinet of military dictator Field Marshal Sarit Dhanarajata 1959-63 and minister in the cabinet of military dictator Field Marshal Thanom Kittikachorn 1963-69, his father served as minister in the 1991/92 Junta Cabinets.

Don't look in a 'narrow minded western way' of think at all this junta, military and dictator stuff. These previous governments were on a peacekeeping and doing-good for Thailand mission and nothing else; according to how the history is written in Thailand.

That why i would say calling him a 'puppet' is maybe not that correct, because that 'puppet' thing has a negative connotation. His is an immanent part of that system, connection to the military are seen as positive in Thailand, so there is nothing much to hide. I mean a term like 'puppet' you would use when it is actually not what it seems to be. Like the 'western democracy style looking' Abhist is in reality just a proxy for the military rulers or so. True, Abhisit nor the Democats have much in common with that western democracy style but they are also never pretend to be something like that. That is only a TVF farang misconception.

It is like you said an authoritarian approach to govern. Abhist isn't some poor unlucky dude, who has to bow to the military but still tries to make the 'best' out of it and bring Thailand forward to a 'modern' western democracy. The miltary is Thai Democrats best friends forever and Abhisit stand for a pretty much conservative, old fashioned and somehow backward way. you are right with "to patronise rather than fraternise with the Thai electorate"

I know the family background - but don't forget Eton either.there is a long tradition of the "ruling elite" to send their offspring abroad for education and so far I don't really see any democracy-like benefits from this.I can see Abhisit is in a coalition of Monarchist/Military and business interests and they seem to want to continue a top-down conservative approach to ruling the country but these interests aren't always the same. It looks to me as if his position or authority since becoming PM has shifted; he seems to have given, let slip or seceded a lot of power to the military (CRES?) since the Redshirt demos. THis would have been a necessary measure to stay in power (an election would probably have ended his term in office), but I still wonder did he jump or was he pushed?The military certainly wouldn't have wanted an election and the possible return of a pro-thaksin govt any more than Abhisit and I've said elsewhere tat to me it looked tantamount to a coup - it wouldn't be the first time in recent Thai history that a ruling party has had a coup in order to forestal any opposition.

[kissdani]

So rather than a puppet of the military, he is a collaborator? - OK - I think it would be pretty difficult to tell the two options apart.

I think as far as the Oxford Uni thing is concerned, you have a good point. I think it would also help to look at the circles he used to hang around in at Oxford - I'm told they were basically the ultra right hoo-rah Henri set.

I believe old Boris what's-his-name the Mayor of London was one of his pals.

Anyhow I'm sure his instincts are to patronise rather than fraternise with the Thai electorate

Evidence to back up you assertions will of course be forthcoming.

Erm ... what do you want here backed up? That Abhisit went to Oxford? That he was a classmate of Boris Johnson? That Boris Johnson isn't a champagne socialist nor working class hero?

The kind relation between the Democrats and the military? That it is indeed somewhat difficult to tell it is being a puppet or collaboration apart?

That Abhisit don't fraternize with the electorate but rather stands for policies of patronizing?

For what you need 'evidence'? Where are exactly your doubts that something of it could not be true?

[rubl]

So rather than a puppet of the military, he is a collaborator? - OK - I think it would be pretty difficult to tell the two options apart.

I think as far as the Oxford Uni thing is concerned, you have a good point. I think it would also help to look at the circles he used to hang around in at Oxford - I'm told they were basically the ultra right hoo-rah Henri set.

I believe old Boris what's-his-name the Mayor of London was one of his pals.

Anyhow I'm sure his instincts are to patronise rather than fraternise with the Thai electorate

Evidence to back up you assertions will of course be forthcoming.

Erm ... what do you want here backed up? That Abhisit went to Oxford? That he was a classmate of Boris Johnson? That Boris Johnson isn't a champagne socialist nor working class hero?

The kind relation between the Democrats and the military? That it is indeed somewhat difficult to tell it is being a puppet or collaboration apart?

That Abhisit don't fraternize with the electorate but rather stands for policies of patronizing?

For what you need 'evidence'? Where are exactly your doubts that something of it could not be true?

What value have your suggestions that something of it could be true?

[way2muchcoffee]

So rather than a puppet of the military, he is a collaborator? - OK - I think it would be pretty difficult to tell the two options apart.

I think as far as the Oxford Uni thing is concerned, you have a good point. I think it would also help to look at the circles he used to hang around in at Oxford - I'm told they were basically the ultra right hoo-rah Henri set.

I believe old Boris what's-his-name the Mayor of London was one of his pals.

Anyhow I'm sure his instincts are to patronise rather than fraternise with the Thai electorate

Evidence to back up you assertions will of course be forthcoming.

Erm ... what do you want here backed up? That Abhisit went to Oxford? That he was a classmate of Boris Johnson? That Boris Johnson isn't a champagne socialist nor working class hero?

The kind relation between the Democrats and the military? That it is indeed somewhat difficult to tell it is being a puppet or collaboration apart?

That Abhisit don't fraternize with the electorate but rather stands for policies of patronizing?

For what you need 'evidence'? Where are exactly your doubts that something of it could not be true?

I probably wasn't clear. I was looking for evidence specifically of who were Abhisit's close friends during his time in the UK. I was also wondering how one is to distinguish a colleague or classmate from a close friend.

There is a further point to be made in that each person is unique. I have friends from a wide variety of political and social persuasions, ranging from ultra conservative to extremely liberal.

Deeral has made some comments on 'Abhisit's friends' on various threads. It was this that I was asking about. Mostly I was just curious what his sources were and what precisely they stated.

Edited August 20, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[Buchholz]

In Thailand, I've encountered blockages, but far more frequently encounter outages in dealing with different websites. This seems to happen for any number of reasons, but probably mostly due to just crappy connections.

Any number of times, for example, this forum's website isn't accessible, but I don't jump and assume it's "blocked." It's timing out or whatever, but I don't think it's ever blocked.

So there is no misunderstanding; this is not network outages we are reporting.

Trying to reach a site by typing an address and being re-direction to: http://58.97.5.29/www.capothai.org/ is clearly NOT an outage.

quote

การเข้าถึงข้อมูลดังกล่าวนี้ ถูกระงับเป็นการชั่วคราว

โดยอาศัยอำนาจตามพระราชกำหนดการบริหารราชการ ในสถานการณ์ฉุกเฉิน พ.ศ. ๒๕๔๘

ตามคำสั่งของศูนย์อำนวยการแก้ไขสถานการณ์ฉุกเฉิน

An access to such information has been temporarily ceased

due to the order of the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES)

under the authority of emergency decree B.E 2548 (A.D. 2005).

unquote

Understood?

I do understand that, but I wonder if others do when they are reporting "blocks" on various sites. Several times in conversations with people and also reading other posts here and elsewhere, people aren't necessarily reporting having the above message, but get error 500 messages or just simply white screens or timed out messages.

There's precious little uniformity in what is occurring and many times it seems to be essentially, "I couldn't access so and so, it's blocked".

TAWP, the below is an example of what I was referring to. Error message = "blocked".

Yes, and I said that for me only the English version is blocked; on True, a 404 error "The requested URL was not found on this server", is diplayed. dishonestly disguise this censorship.

[DP25]

Thailand has removed tens of thousands of web pages from the Internet in recent years, mainly for insulting the monarchy, a serious crime punishable by up to 15 years in jail.

There aren't tens of thousands of web sites on the internet that are even about Thailand. 99% of pages are blocked for pornography and most of the rest for gambling

[A_Traveller]

My understanding is that the video relates to Fido's birthday in December 2001 ['44].

Regards

Edited August 21, 2010 by A_Traveller

[Gobbledoc]

Looks like Wiki camp has some headaches to deal with. This is an Australian based website I believe.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange wanted in Sweden for rape

She was unable to say what the other accusation was or whether the arrest warrant was international.

"There are powerful organisations who want to do harm to WikiLeaks."

Ms Hrafnsson said Mr Assange was still in Sweden and would "go to the police very quickly".Mr Assange was in Sweden to announce at a press conference that the whistleblower website was set to publish a final batch of 15,000 secret documents on the war in Afghanistan in "a couple of weeks."

WikiLeaks in late July posted 76,000 classified military documents including those relating to operations in Afghanistan.

Read more: http://www.news.com....1#ixzz0xCiAsFaa

Edited August 21, 2010 by Gobbledoc

[animatic]

Oh, yes has stepped on some BIG toes,

and standing as an open outlet for a WORLD of whistle blowers,

he is seen by many powers as a serious threat.

Not worth killing clandestinely yet, but a good serious world class discredit scheme

will work for the moment. Seems like a set up, but mud that will stick for a spell.

[geriatrickid]

Oh, yes has stepped on some BIG toes,

and standing as an open outlet for a WORLD of whistle blowers,

he is seen by many powers as a serious threat.

Not worth killing clandestinely yet, but a good serious world class discredit scheme

will work for the moment. Seems like a set up, but mud that will stick for a spell.

Back up your statement that the Swedish authorities are acting to discredit the man. Why do people immediately cry conspiracy as soon as negative information is brought out?

Why are the allegations fake. Maybe they are indeed bogus. Even If they are,the accused will still need to deal with them don't you think? What would the Swedes have to gain by inventing false allegations of 2 molestations? The Swedish government is hardly a fan of the USA.

Perhaps if Mr. Assange had actually responded to the police inquiries when they were made instead of disappearing this wouldn't have been news.

And now we will see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot. I guarantee that Mr. Assange's legal counsel will do the utmost to prevent the proceedings and full details from being disclosed.

All I am asking of you is to let the Swedish authorities do their job before insinuating this is a discredit claim. Often, people like the accused have such massive egos, they really do stupid things because they have a disconnect from reality. And yes, there is a possibility the women may be fabricating the charges. However, the likelihood declines when there are multiple allegations.

Edited August 21, 2010 by geriatrickid

[Insight]

.. And now the arrest warrant has been withdrawn (check BBC and elsewhere).

Bizarre.

[Deeral]

It makes you wonder.

how stupid are those who tried to "set up" these charges, or are they "real"?

either way it doesn't alter the usefulness of the Wikileaks site.

[Deeral]

the site is still not blocked "up north"

even if it were, there are ways and means of accessing the information, as we are all obviously aware.

What I don't understand : if it is something to do with a video that was doing the rounds on VCD 3-4 years ago, why publicise it? It's been on wikileaks since November 2009!! Why do they want it fresh in everyone's mind again?

I think whatever the "official" response will be it was in the end an attempt by CRES to muzzle anti-govt support.As with many knee-jerk reactions from Thai officialdom it usually makes them look stupid and then involves a tortuous face-saving procedure

[seri thai]

the site is still not blocked "up north"

even if it were, there are ways and means of accessing the information, as we are all obviously aware.

What I don't understand : if it is something to do with a video that was doing the rounds on VCD 3-4 years ago, why publicise it? It's been on wikileaks since November 2009!! Why do they want it fresh in everyone's mind again?

I think whatever the "official" response will be it was in the end an attempt by CRES to muzzle anti-govt support.As with many knee-jerk reactions from Thai officialdom it usually makes them look stupid and then involves a tortuous face-saving procedure

It was also shown nationwide on Australian TV a couple of months and the Thai government quietly registered a complaint. Lo and behold the sky did not fall and did not affect tourist numbers unduly, life goes on.

I think the more interesting issue is the Thai govt/Military adoption of the shiny new catch-all phrase "national security" to justify les-majeste and everything else that might affect the status-quo which they've been parroting since 9/11 to cover all and sundry. The US State Dept won't quibble with that phrase.

It also covers the "islamic" insurgency in the south (which handily) was a "commy" insurgency in Vietnam days (As opposed to an ethnic/nationalist insurgency)which of course would not happen in the happy, united golden land of Suvvanabumi.

Not overly criticising Thailand here. Every nation does it or has done it. It's just amusing to Fahrang eyes because it's less sophisticated. Just like the ads for skin-whitening cream.

Expect the "patriot act" any time soon... :jap:

[Piengrudee]

To us Thai, "national security" is the most import. There can be no home without a country, said a Chinese wise man.

[Deeral]

To us Thai, "national security" is the most import. There can be no home without a country, said a Chinese wise man.

I find this a disturbingly naive comment.It seems to imply that the poster BELIEVES that when the govt invoked expressions like "national security"then it also seems to indicate that the poster has missed the significance of the post about the govt doing things in the name of "national security"furthermore it seems that this poster has unquestioningly accepted that the concept of "national security is realand finally that the Chinese person's wisdom is unquestionable.

If this unquestioning acceptance of a government's honesty and straightforwardness is typical of the Thai electorate.........then......well........

[RusticCharm]

To us Thai, "national security" is the most import. There can be no home without a country, said a Chinese wise man.

Time ago, a 'Chinese wise man' also said "I think foot-binding, female infanticide and the Red Guard are good ideas". Edited August 23, 2010 by RusticCharm

[Deeral]

This obviously will have some effect and may even have been an underlying cause for this latest spat.