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Jack.. when was the last time you fished shadow ? Its gone down hill since a couple of years ago.

Anyway i dont drop it out far all the time.. to be honest with massage i dont drop it out that far bu a lot further as 15ft.

About 11 months ago. I had some great fish. You really think it is bad now? I know it can be difficult but if your bait is right I find it very easy.

I also fished nearly exclusively at night starting from 4 to 6pm. The only reason because I couldn't wake up in the mornings. I would fish the night and go home in the morning. That left me too tired to go early next time.

This time I will try to fish daylight hours.

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This was my best fish. It came after a heavy thunder storm. The heavy rain probably filled the water with oxygen and got them looking for food. Caught at about 2am.

Once the lightning started I thought my night fishing was over. Then along came this 2 metre giant.

The pictures not great as I was filming at night with an old camcorder.

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Jack.. when was the last time you fished shadow ? Its gone down hill since a couple of years ago.

Anyway i dont drop it out far all the time.. to be honest with massage i dont drop it out that far bu a lot further as 15ft.

About 11 months ago. I had some great fish. You really think it is bad now? I know it can be difficult but if your bait is right I find it very easy.

I also fished nearly exclusively at night starting from 4 to 6pm. The only reason because I couldn't wake up in the mornings. I would fish the night and go home in the morning. That left me too tired to go early next time.

This time I will try to fish daylight hours.

It is bad at the moment but not worse then 11 months ago. Might be less big fish but cant say that for sure. They must have had some losses (even though they deny it. Before i saw more big sawai, those seem gone. But i am sure there are still big ones as i hooked one and i seen others catch them after the flooding too

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Baitliner boats sound great.

I can't help but wonder if even the dumbest fish gets tired of being hauled up as a result of eating that huge ball of the same old bait that just landed on his head with a thump.

Seems like just about anything different could be an advantage...

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Shadow is a hard lake to fish i need any advantage i can have. But still it wont give me a clear advantage. I still get outfished at times by people with better bait or a better setup. But it sure helps to dump all the bait at the same spot all the time.

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Baitliner boats sound great.

I can't help but wonder if even the dumbest fish gets tired of being hauled up as a result of eating that huge ball of the same old bait that just landed on his head with a thump.

Seems like just about anything different could be an advantage...

I think the thing is we only ever see the fish we pull to the bank. I bet +75% of the time the food a fish eats is not set with a hook. Thats one reason why you don't catch a fish every 10 seconds. You also often see the float go under but a fish never getting hooked. In the mornings for example the ton of bait they chuck in has no hooks, bait that flies off the feeder has no hooks and natural food sources wont have hooks. Food might also not be totally clean like we are used to as human. Fish that eat other fish have to deal with barbs, bones, gill rakers etc. Herbivores probably have to deal with twigs, dirt and other plant material. The only 100% safe option for not getting the one bait with a hook in it would be to starve. It must be quite difficult to recognise hooks from just natural unwanted material.

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Shadow is a hard lake to fish i need any advantage i can have. But still it wont give me a clear advantage. I still get outfished at times by people with better bait or a better setup. But it sure helps to dump all the bait at the same spot all the time.

So which is your prefered bait Robblok? From my experience at shadow I found:

1. Bread with the float nearly always hooked sawai

2. No carp ever took a bait from a float, only off the bottom.

3. Lam was my most productive bait, set on a float. Resulted in around 70% mekongs, 30% sawaii.

4. Massage bread on the bottom had an equal tendancy for sawaii or mekongs. Worked well at night and tended to catch some very large fish. Some absolutely unstoppable monsters went through 50lb mono, 80lb braid without ever showing signs of stopping. I was told by the guys who work there that when you saw lots of air bubbles rising before a take, it was usually a big carp. On one occassion that happened but it went off like a train breaking the line just after the hook. Some have straightened hooks after 30 to 40 minutes.

I realise there are very few carp at shadow lake. I have caught carp from the bottom with bread but it was hard because most times a sawaii took the bait.

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Shadow is a hard lake to fish i need any advantage i can have. But still it wont give me a clear advantage. I still get outfished at times by people with better bait or a better setup. But it sure helps to dump all the bait at the same spot all the time.

So which is your prefered bait Robblok? From my experience at shadow I found:

1. Bread with the float nearly always hooked sawai

2. No carp ever took a bait from a float, only off the bottom.

3. Lam was my most productive bait, set on a float. Resulted in around 70% mekongs, 30% sawaii.

4. Massage bread on the bottom had an equal tendancy for sawaii or mekongs. Worked well at night and tended to catch some very large fish. Some absolutely unstoppable monsters went through 50lb mono, 80lb braid without ever showing signs of stopping. I was told by the guys who work there that when you saw lots of air bubbles rising before a take, it was usually a big carp. On one occassion that happened but it went off like a train breaking the line just after the hook. Some have straightened hooks after 30 to 40 minutes.

I realise there are very few carp at shadow lake. I have caught carp from the bottom with bread but it was hard because most times a sawaii took the bait.

Basically it is the way you tell it. If you want carp here you make a lam bread mix with a harder bigger ball. But even then a big chance for other fish.

Today i had a good sounder / fish finder. I see that its about 3 meter deep at about 3 quaters. Also there the most and bigger fish pop up on the sounder. But not at the bottom usually at around 1.5 meters or higher.

I will try more next time now is just used massage with diferent setups to test what was better. I got my answers from that.

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Just had a 51 kg pla bug on the scales. It was caught on massage bread im now out further as before as i dump the bait at almost the deepest spot. I keep the depth as a reference so i know i go out to the right spot.

I think bait is the most important thing here if your bait works you get many fish. The other guys bait is better as mine.

Just for ppls info i saw the fish cruising at around 1.5 - 1.80 meter depth at 2.5 total depth. Got many beeps and signals every time in the same chanel.

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Good work Robbok,

I always fish 1.80m bait is the key though as you say. I have had 6 to 8 hour sessions of not a single bite when my bait was wrong. Then changed it and had a bite within 10 mins and all 3 rods going off together.

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I am seriously looking at getting one of these bait boats as I know it would have definitely improved my catch rate over the last 3 days at Gillhams as some of the areas I was fishing were out of range of my catapult and had to rely on one of the resident guides dumping ground bait in the vicinity of where I was casting as I hooked up almost every time and usually a red tail cat on pellet or chicken heart. My best fish was an Arapaima of 100kg yesterday which although not large by fishery standards is the largest fish I have caught to date. My ugly mugshots will be in their March newsletter no doubt.

I have not had chance to research bait boats fully but my main concerns are weight and whether the battery used (IE sealed gel) would cause problems at airline check in.

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most bait boats use lead acid baterries. They weight a ton! Would be lighter running off LiPo but I bet that's definately not allowed to fly. Bursts into flames even on impact.

NiMH might be viable. So were the spots hard to reach because of cover or distance?

I would think cover because with the long rods used at Gillhams you must be able to reach most parts?

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most bait boats use lead acid baterries. They weight a ton! Would be lighter running off LiPo but I bet that's definately not allowed to fly. Bursts into flames even on impact.

NiMH might be viable. So were the spots hard to reach because of cover or distance?

I would think cover because with the long rods used at Gillhams you must be able to reach most parts?

It was actually distance casting down to the water hyacinth margins in the bottom of the bay but was having difficulty delivering ground bait to the location. The Spod rod did not have the range or maybe my casting ability was not up to it. I could however manage the distance without problem on the supplied Free Spirit Cat Tamers supplied to get a bait down there.

I have actually found a supplier of bait boats within walking distance of where I live (ebay shop) and have a telephone number so I may make further enquiries upon my return to UK.

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Just check if you are allowed to use them first. Bungsamran does not allow it. My bait boat is big and it would require a whole suitcase. The battery is a normal motorcycle battery so that is not a big problem.

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