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Hi pig people,

Just a brief note for anyone needing to transport pigs inter-provincially. All you need to do is go and see the local Livestock Department and tell them about the movement. You need to take the following information.

Copy of Thai ID Card

Copy of House Book (Tambein Bhan)

Name and Address of point of delivery

Registration Number of the Vehicle

Date of Transfer

No of pigs

They will issue the paperwork which you give to the person transporting the pigs. He only needs to present these documents if stopped by the police. We paid 300 baht for the clearance.

Now here is the very, very Thai side to all this. Your Livestock people will inform your local representatives and they may come to inspect the pigs after they arrive. Think about that for a second. Imagine there was a health issue with your stock, what that means is they would spread the problem throughout the journey and on arrival before anyone checked. As I said, a very Thai way of doing it, "Cure rather than Prevention". TIT

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Recently we had a visit from a group from Bangkok including the owners of BoLan Restaurant. Some of your may have seen Khun Bo on Thai TV on PBS. As part of the weekend organised by Raitong Organics (Bryan and Tui) the visitors and Bo TV crew visited our pigs and worms. A short section of the resulting program which aired recently can be found at.

http://www.thaipbs.or.th/clip/index.asp?content_id=308158&content_category_id=1062

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So if you want to get a look at my operation but cant read Thai, then look for the image included and click

IA

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Recently we had a visit from a group from Bangkok including the owners of BoLan Restaurant. Some of your may have seen Khun Bo on Thai TV on PBS. As part of the weekend organised by Raitong Organics (Bryan and Tui) the visitors and Bo TV crew visited our pigs and worms. A short section of the resulting program which aired recently can be found at.

http://www.thaipbs.o...ategory_id=1062

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So if you want to get a look at my operation but cant read Thai, then look for the image included and click

IA

IA,

Nice set up you have there, thanks for sharing.

T

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I have been asked several times recently how the septic system for my pigs works. So I have attached a rough schematic to this post. Sorry no labels but I might add some later if anyone cant work it out. There are six tanks interconnected.

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Lets try that again...

I have been asked several times recently how the septic system for my pigs works. So I have attached a rough schematic to this post. Sorry no labels but I might add some later if anyone cant work it out. There are six tanks interconnected.

septic tank schematic.pdf

Hopefully you can see this one

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Iam impressed by isaanaussie`s farmer building but that is out of my range.

Iam thinking about helping my wife`s papa/mama to start up a smal scale pigfarm.

A member posted this pic showing his pigpen. I wonder if he read this or perhaps

other members can suggest what it will cost to build a pigpen same scale as this?

I will soon be in Thailand and will start to check how much a cementplant charge

for cementdelivery and so on but if someone could give me a clue it would be fine.

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Tobbe20,

Welcome to the forum.

The sty you show was built by a member here looking to the future and he is set to expand his operation, good starting point to select. If you send him a PM I am sure he will give you an idea of the costs. In my case I was lucky enough to be able to use an existing sty while I built mine.

In your circumstances I would suggest you start somewhat differently to us both. You and your wife are not going to operate the farm is my assumption and further you do not have experience with pigs. You may not even be living on site.

I would suggest you look firstly at the cost of operation and the likelihood of success before you worry too much about the sty. There may be complaints about smell or noise if the pigs are neglected, or if you have jealous extortionistic neighbours. These issues most Thais settle by paying the list of complainers off. Dont do it ever!

As an example. You buy quality 10 piglets for the family to grow out. Currently 2 to 2,400 baht each. Then you fund the feed to 100kg at around 3,500 each. Your total investment will be 60,000 and the gross profit around 20,000. As far as the first sty is concerned, pick a number and then let the family build it. I would suggest around the profit potential that is 20K. You hand that over and thats that. When its is finished you buy the piglets. Paying for the feed every week needs to be controlled as it can easily be diverted and your pigs fed rubbish which ultimately means no profit as the pigs die or grow slowly. The modern pigs here are not native pigs but hybrids and they simply do not thrive on a poor diet.

So after 4 of 5 months (who pays for the labour?) the pigs are sold and suddenly 80,000 baht is in family hands. 100% return? No no. It doesnt work that way here normally. You are out 80K and you have an empty sty. This is the important bit, how you handle the next step. You either step away and say it is up to them as they have 20K profit and enough money to repeat the exercise, or you anti up again. But you get the chance to really know who you are dealing with, without getting in any arguments.

Assume everything has gone well after two batches, then think about expanding or increasing the capital investment in infrastructure.

Isaan Aussie

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This is the Bing translator version of the current pork prices, makes an interesting read, but you should get the drift.

Overall consumption increased in Size and quantity has started in some regions Due to the decrease in Consumer. Trouble Rains Flooded pork and Chicken Meat SUBSTITUTE, especially reduced Price. Officials in the Pig. Needs more, but quantities remain insufficient to the Needs of the Buyer. From damage from rokrakha 2400 + 80 (8-8-54).

Central: West Group, New York prices average $ 81 stand price direction, Ratchaburi, Pak tho average price group at 81 per copy price direction, stand 56-57 template. price $.

East who cooperate with government's price controls. Stands for the price in the area by the average price at 81 baht, Chachoengsao, standing stiff prices of Chonburi average prices stand at 81 baht appreciation. I then left for 56-57 Baht

North: rain still falling prevalence. And quantity of pork has more volume. But prices are still standing.Above the average price. By each. London prices above 83 baht at 83 baht lower average prices stand. I then left for 59-60 Baht

Northeast: Rain continues to fall in the area. The food is not too much. The amount of pork to be deficientAbout the average price stood at 83 East directions below average price at 83 baht's standing.I then left for 60-62 Baht

South: the normal consumption. Due to the lack of pork. The prices are still standing strong on the average price of 85 baht to the prices of lower-priced, hard to stand up prices 86-87 baht appreciation. I then left for 49-50 Baht

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Tobbe20,

Welcome to the forum.

The sty you show was built by a member here looking to the future and he is set to expand his operation, good starting point to select. If you send him a PM I am sure he will give you an idea of the costs. In my case I was lucky enough to be able to use an existing sty while I built mine.

In your circumstances I would suggest you start somewhat differently to us both. You and your wife are not going to operate the farm is my assumption and further you do not have experience with pigs. You may not even be living on site.

I would suggest you look firstly at the cost of operation and the likelihood of success before you worry too much about the sty. There may be complaints about smell or noise if the pigs are neglected, or if you have jealous extortionistic neighbours. These issues most Thais settle by paying the list of complainers off. Dont do it ever!

As an example. You buy quality 10 piglets for the family to grow out. Currently 2 to 2,400 baht each. Then you fund the feed to 100kg at around 3,500 each. Your total investment will be 60,000 and the gross profit around 20,000. As far as the first sty is concerned, pick a number and then let the family build it. I would suggest around the profit potential that is 20K. You hand that over and thats that. When its is finished you buy the piglets. Paying for the feed every week needs to be controlled as it can easily be diverted and your pigs fed rubbish which ultimately means no profit as the pigs die or grow slowly. The modern pigs here are not native pigs but hybrids and they simply do not thrive on a poor diet.

So after 4 of 5 months (who pays for the labour?) the pigs are sold and suddenly 80,000 baht is in family hands. 100% return? No no. It doesnt work that way here normally. You are out 80K and you have an empty sty. This is the important bit, how you handle the next step. You either step away and say it is up to them as they have 20K profit and enough money to repeat the exercise, or you anti up again. But you get the chance to really know who you are dealing with, without getting in any arguments.

Assume everything has gone well after two batches, then think about expanding or increasing the capital investment in infrastructure.

Isaan Aussie

I appreciate you taking the time to provide information / advice, thank you.

Money is sent to Thailand every month without that I feel it helps them noticeably. money disappears somehow in midair. I do not complain but perhaps it is better for all parties to put money into something concrete that can pay off and eventually develop.

Is correct that you assume that we have not the slightest experience with pigs. I have sought information on this forum and elsewhere around the web. I have come to understand that it is not always the straight road to be a pig farmer. The challenge is perhaps just as much to transfer the little knowledge I sit with the father in law.

Think i need to get her father to focus on quality food, cleaning the pig pen regulary and let them have plenty of fresh water available. Disease in the herd will as I understand to be a disaster and cut back profit.

My wife and I go to Thailand in 6 days and will then sit down and discuss. Consideration for other neighbors, I have no sacrifices a thought before you mentioned the problem.

When I ask papa how big the farm is the answer varies from time to time but other than rice fields, they have so I can judge very area in connection to the residential house

Regardless, unless there are obvious reasons that speak against it, we are willing to give it a try. Starting up the way you outline to build a pig pen and then buy about 10 piglets.

There might be some mistakes in the beginning but think it may be worth a try.

Is there strictly license to operate a pig farm in Thailand?

Again thanks a lot.

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In the view of smell, you might consider building a small 3 x 2m methane pit with canvas covering over the septic pit to produce cooking gas for the family's kitchen. The concept is very common in villages and cost about ฿4-5'000 to build one. I don't need one as my farm is in range of 500m away from any immediate residence (village rule) and i don't cook in the farm house.

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As for license, i have not come across anyone in my village who needed one, currently i'm raising 200 pigs for grow out and planning to expand up to 500. I only need to register with the municipal livestock department to get hygiene guide line and latest disease update.

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Licences and permits is a very local issue. The laws are strict for large farms, over 500 pigs, but below that it is mostly controlled locally. So you will have to check with the PooYai in the village and with the Amphoe Office.

Where I am, if you build something about the size of a house you dont need a permit. The villagers here consider ten animals as a maximum for near domestic dwellings, usually less.

Also check the brands and grades of feed available and how it will be delivered to the farm. Most people using commercial feeds will use 4 or 5 grades as the pigs grow. The most expensive is for the younger pigs and when they are small the feed is most important. They grow quickly and must have the right diet to lay down muscle. The larger pigs need the protein level controlled as their feed conversion ratio is much lower and more protein than they need will be turned to fat.

You may be able to setup a direct debit payment with the feed merchant.

Good Luck

IA

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Hermitage Maxgro Successful in Thailand

THAILAND - The first Maxgro boars were delivered to Hermitage customers in Thailand in March 2010.

These boars were used to inseminate Hermitage F1 females on Pornpraset Farm (5,000 sow farm), located in Burirum province, 300 kms North of Bangkok. The objective of this first importation was to evaluate the growth rates and performance under Thai production and climatic conditions.

11-07-06Hermitage.jpg The progeny of these first inseminations reached slaughter weight of 112Kgs in 154 days from birth, outperforming all previous genetic lines evaluated at the farm.

As a result, the demand for Maxgro boars in the Thai market has rapidly increased and on 24 June 2011, Hermitage exported a second shipment of high health breeding stock to Thailand by air from Amsterdam to Bangkok. This shipment included AI standard performance tested Maxgro boars. It is planned that there will be three scheduled shipments of Maxgro boars for customers in Thailand each year. Hermitage has expanded the terminal boar nucleus to meet the increasing demand worldwide and now has over 1,200 GGP sows producing Maxgro boars.

Would mind getting my hands on a few of those....

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Iam impressed by isaanaussie`s farmer building but that is out of my range.

Iam thinking about helping my wife`s papa/mama to start up a smal scale pigfarm.

A member posted this pic showing his pigpen. I wonder if he read this or perhaps

other members can suggest what it will cost to build a pigpen same scale as this?

I will soon be in Thailand and will start to check how much a cementplant charge

for cementdelivery and so on but if someone could give me a clue it would be fine.

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Hi tobbe20 and welcome.Have sent some details to your email inbox....hope it helps :)

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If you are wondering why the prices are high, this may help explain it. Off the web today.

Swine output in Thailand is expected to drop by 30% this year from a previously estimated 12 million animals.

According to Surachai Sutthitham, President of the Swine Raisers Association of Thailand, porcine reproductive and respiratory syndrome (PRRSV) is responsible for the downfall of the output. He also mentioned other diseases such as porcine epidemic diarrhoea and foot-and-mouth disease that have caused lower production.

Biosecurity gentlemen. Not a joke at all. Tell that guy with his boar in a box behind his bike to go away, no tell him to F You CK off. No one unusual in the pens. Isolate new stock. Anything you can do, do it, there are no second chances. This is not all in all out, this is one in all dead.

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