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I need some answer here, i have a pig in the herd that had swollen eyelid (both eyes), i notice it for a month and a half now, but since it is eating well and growing well, i decided to ignore it's problem thinking that it could be genetic. Today i notice it right eye is totally cover by the swell as days went by and the left eye is almost cover as well by the swollen eyelid. The swell will grow around inside the eyelid, not half the eye but rounding the individual eye and as it grow making the pupil bearing visible by me looking at it...this pig weight and body structure is ideal and it is active. I kind of worry that it may have visibility problem, it's not blind but just the swollen eyelids are growing and impairing it's sight.

Thanks in advance for any advice or treatment method.

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I need some answer here, i have a pig in the herd that had swollen eyelid (both eyes), i notice it for a month and a half now, but since it is eating well and growing well, i decided to ignore it's problem thinking that it could be genetic. Today i notice it right eye is totally cover by the swell as days went by and the left eye is almost cover as well by the swollen eyelid. The swell will grow around inside the eyelid, not half the eye but rounding the individual eye and as it grow making the pupil bearing visible by me looking at it...this pig weight and body structure is ideal and it is active. I kind of worry that it may have visibility problem, it's not blind but just the swollen eyelids are growing and impairing it's sight.

Thanks in advance for any advice or treatment method.

Sounds very much like an infection since it is in both eyes. Try some antibiotics. Is there any discharge from the eyes?

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Just spoken to my supplier, he said it could be genetic and not a big concern because some of his and his customers have them too, eventually it will not be able to see due to the swell inner eyelids covering its eyes but it is not blind with eye sight problem...It will use it senses to navigate around, for food and water...He ask me if it is healthy and active and i said she is beautiful and there have been no sign of stress, she is very capable fending off the others when challenge.

P/S: No discharge, it is just like us people when we have a swollen eyelid :huh:

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Just spoken to my supplier, he said it could be genetic and not a big concern because some of his and his customers have them too, eventually it will not be able to see due to the swell inner eyelids covering its eyes but it is not blind with eye sight problem...It will use it senses to navigate around, for food and water...He ask me if it is healthy and active and i said she is beautiful and there have been no sign of stress, she is very capable fending off the others when challenge.

P/S: No discharge, it is just like us people when we have a swollen eyelid :huh:

Did a bit of digging around. You might like to try either

Drops and ointments for eyes

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Tetracycline ointment: Put a little ointment in the corner of the eye, 4 or 5 times a day, for 3 to 5 days.

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Betamethazone and neomycin eye drops: Put drops in twice a day for 3 to 4 days.

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Thank you so much ! I appreciate it IA.

Hope your pigs eyes are better soon.

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We do have a small problem that maybe you could give us some advice with,we have a Duroc gilt that is almost a year old now and has shown no signs of coming on heat.Seeing as we do not have a boar to help induce this,is are there any other ways to help this along?

Shaggy

Shaggy,

At a year old she is getting to be a big pig and an expensive one. Time to make a decision. Now I have gilts that are very difficult to pick their seasons. One that didnt vocalise, no mounting, no swelling, ate normally. Without a boar very hard. We have boars and heat check twice a day. Finally resolved for my gilt that she was only receptive for 8 to 12 hours, easy to miss. The boar was the only one that knew.

You can get a hormone treatment that will bring a gilt into season within 3 to 5 days. It cost about 250 baht per dose. Gestvet or something like that. Ihad a vet get me some for 4 gilts but it was a complete failure, he never explained what was wrong.

Isaan Aussie

We finally managed to get our Duroc mated up.We have a wild pig in the next pen that was also showing no signs heat so we borrowed a wild boar from a friend of ours and that seemed to excite our Duroc and we could put a boar to her the following day.So fingers crossed we should have a busy pen soon.

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Amazing isn't it. They always seem to go for the biggest, oldest, smelliest and ulgiest boar. Arh, women, who can pick their tastes.

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Amazing isn't it. They always seem to go for the biggest, oldest, smelliest and ulgiest boar. Arh, women, who can pick their tastes.

I think our gilt would of much more preferred the wild boar instead of the ugly brute that was two times her size and weight on top of her.....he seemed to enjoy it tho judging from the photos my wife sent me.

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My two new boars are coming on rapidly. The landrace is over 100kgs at about 5 months. The duroc is just a ball of muscle and must go 70 kgs, coming up 4 months old. His favorite pastime is making love to his rubber drinking bowl so he seems to be training himself for a future of semen collection.

My working duroc boar is a wonderful friendly pig but not genetically as good. He seems to sense that his future is not looking so good in a few months when the pure bred youngsters are proven.

My latest litter was from one of the original sows who is now at parity 5 but still produced 12 piglets so she will get another turn. Her sister is due any day and we will see what happens there. They are still at the old sty, the last two there now.

I have daily offers for pigs in the new herd and a queue of people waiting for piglets so the future is not looking too bad.

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Amazing isn't it. They always seem to go for the biggest, oldest, smelliest and ulgiest boar. Arh, women, who can pick their tastes.

I would rate this very high if the rating system is still applicable, that was funny mate :lol:

Anyway, i've given up applying anything to it eyes, too elusive and resistance :huh: ...

I will let it be for now and will be keeping close watch over her.

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My two new boars are coming on rapidly. The landrace is over 100kgs at about 5 months. The duroc is just a ball of muscle and must go 70 kgs, coming up 4 months old. His favorite pastime is making love to his rubber drinking bowl so he seems to be training himself for a future of semen collection.

My working duroc boar is a wonderful friendly pig but not genetically as good. He seems to sense that his future is not looking so good in a few months when the pure bred youngsters are proven.

My latest litter was from one of the original sows who is now at parity 5 but still produced 12 piglets so she will get another turn. Her sister is due any day and we will see what happens there. They are still at the old sty, the last two there now.

I have daily offers for pigs in the new herd and a queue of people waiting for piglets so the future is not looking too bad.

Sounds like thing are going well for you.

I think that your Landrace boar will be a brute of an animal by the time he is ready to service your sows!!! I am interested to hear the what results you get from the new boars and how they compare Landrace/Duroc and Duroc/Duroc,whatever the outcome i hope that your litters are big and healthy :rolleyes:

12 piglets is a good litter,were they all a good size?what do you do with the runts?do you sell the litters as a job lot or do you break the litters up ?We had a good learning experience with our last litter of 12 (10 actually because we sold 2 to a family member),we had many buyers for this litter but ended up selling them to a farmer in the next town and agreed the price and the time he would collect them...everything sorted i thought.Until the day came when he was supposed to collect them....we got a phone call saying that he couldnt make it that day and would be there the following day to collect them....well the following day turned out to be 6 days later and in the meantime the piglets just about sucked our pig dry....needless to say i was pis#ed and told my wife to tell him that this was the last time that could happen and if he wanted pigs from us in the future he had to put a deposit down and if he didnt collect on the agreed date then they would be sold on and he would lose his deposit !!!! Maybe a bit harsh on my side but we had turned away many other customers that were prepared to pay a better price...also got a bag of pig food from him :rolleyes:...maybe it could cost us some customers in the future because i am sure he went around telling people about that he was unfairly dealt with,but to me it was a good way of letting them know that we do not like being messed around.

Shaggy

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Shaggy,

I have everything crossed for the first litters we will have here at our own farm. To date the others have been bred from two duroc boars I have had at the old sty, the last litter and the other one due in days will be the last of that line. My current boar is a transition situation that come from a pairing with a friends boar and one of my sows. He works very well and is an easy animal to handle but the test will be in his first offspring. He has eight sows in pig, a 100% pregnancy rate, so far so good. At this stage I am assuming that I will be selling them as complete litters. I hope to keep a batch of 4 sisters from the current or one of the next two litters to fill the sow book up to 16 again. If anything special eventuates from those piglets. I need to get some new blood into the breeding herd as well. Get the sty finished first.

The last litter of 12 was a bit of a surprise as it was the fifth from the sow and the fourth one had been below average. The piglets werent the largest we have had but are very evenly sized. The herdmanship at the old sty has been an issue and we have only averaged 9 survivors per litter there. That needs improvement.

Currently my plan is to sell complete litters if possible. We have four buyers lined up. Mid term plans include selling pregnant gilts and sows as well as partly grown pigs as part of herd improvement. Longer term will include grow finish facilities.

I had a similar experience with a buyer but have set the pricing structure based on a base price plus a per kg rate that starts high. This means it is cheaper for the customer to collect as soon as possible. I also have announced dates of sale and fixed prices to people who play around, no promises to anyone, first to arrive with the cash gets the piglets. I had one guy who took a most of one litter tell us that they were not growing very well and they were too expensive. I kept 4 gilts from that litter for myself and they were going well so I thought at the time he was just trying it on or wasnt feeding them properly. Guess what, he's back and out bidding other people. TIT. All [art of the game.

Runts are an issue, luckily we haven't had many. Firstly IMHO they do not catch up so they have to go as quickly as possible. We have sold them as suckling pigs to restaurants, to people wanting to grow a cheap pig for themselves and to locals for religious rites.

Isaan Aussie

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Isaanaussie,

I am hoping that we can average out at 10-11 piglets,maybe we are being optimistic and i would be more than happy with a steady 10 per sow.if we didn't have bad luck with one of our gilts we would be averaging 11 by now,but i know that isn't an accurate figure seeing as tho our herd is only small now.I hope that all goes well with your new boars and i think that having good breeding stock is the key to large and healthy litter and of course good food and cleanliness.

Our future plan is to raise our own pigs for market and sell off any that we can not raise ourselves and to try and work them around the festival times which seems to be the best time to sell them,it's seems to be working like that for our ducks and chickens.The open pen that we have will be for any runts that we have and the plan is to raise them slower and cheaper and to sell to the locals or for our own consumption.

'II had a similar experience with a buyer but have set the pricing structure based on a base price plus a per kg rate that starts high.' i like that idea and it would encourage the buyer to come and collect them on time.Unfortunately we can not do that yet because we have no extra holding area for our weaners,but definitely something to think about in the future when our next building is up and running.Ans as for the guy that said that his pigs were not growing well...i would be very surprised if he was feeding them well enough to make weight....or he was just trying to get a better price next time.I really have a pet hatred for that type of game,especially if they try to spread the word around that the pigs are no good (not that you said he did).

Shaggy

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hi,

I'm new for farm forums and would like to know about pig farm and fish farm how should i start with by the way i am Thai try to write English i apology i'm in uk thinking about start someting to do when i go back thailand next time

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