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It varies by country of course. There is a lot more "stealing" per capita in Thailand than the US. Cultural differences, don't you know ...

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Pretty bad myself, just remember that when the great scorer marks against your name, lies told to women don't count. B)

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Pretty bad myself, just remember that when the great scorer marks against your name, lies told to women don't count. B)

I am no saint either, but I think there would be more hope for enforcement in the western countries.

They will never get anywhere near 100 percent compliance.

They do need to get creative.

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The internet is going to be a minefield for law enforcement for a long time to come yet.

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It varies by country of course. There is a lot more "stealing" per capita in Thailand than the US. Cultural differences, don't you know ...

Tell that to Bernie. That would tickle him. The per capita thing will make him feel better.

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It varies by country of course. There is a lot more "stealing" per capita in Thailand than the US. Cultural differences, don't you know ...

Tell that to Bernie. That would tickle him. The per capita thing will make him feel better.

In general, you can't argue there is more compliance in not buying or downloading copy media in the US vs. Thailand. Americans are more likely to pay their Netflix account fees, etc.

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It looks to me as if Scea's pioneering habits are sweeping the world.

http://www.huffingto...k_n_802835.html

The problem with this of course, will be getting people to pay for them. An eBook is a lot easier to upload and download than a movie in torrent type sites and look at the huge amount of files obtained for free in that field.

It's a real moral dilemma, is downloading intellectual property theft? Does it fall into the same class as burglary and car stealing?

What the publishers should do is radically lower the prices on the downloads and wage a massive PR campaign about how creators will eventually stop creating if they can't ever get paid. I think readers would actually be more open to that message than film watchers.

That is a GRAND idea. There is no reason to charge the current book prices if printing a tree-killing fees are not involved. It may even be a good idea to ban the printed ones. If the prices were held down as you suggest, the works would be much more attractive to the readers.

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From the consumer's point of view, yes there are a tremendous number of freebies out there. From the artist's point of view, there are a tremendous number of thieves out there.

Copyright infringement is not theft, it is not stealing, maybe the best description of the crime would be unlawful copying.

Stealing is the intention to permanently deprive someone of their property. Property is defined as a physical item .... not thought or ideas.

Electronic data is not property nor has it ever been defined as property by any legal system in any country in this world, therefore it cannot be stolen.

One could argue that having once paid to view a piece of 'data' distributed in whatever form, then one has already purchased the right to view that data in any other form.

(so for example buying a vinyl record of say 'dark side of the moon' should entitle one to download it as an MP3, or burn on a CD, etc.)

But of course publication companies like to sell essentially the same product to the same person over and over again.

Anyway, I have bought 1,000s of physical books and if I want to download them again at no cost to myself for use on an e-book reader .... damned if I will pay again, and damned if I will allow anyone to call me a thief for doing it!

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What is defined in written laws or codes should not be what governs us in their absence.. Did you deprive the artist of his share of the proceeds? Did you deprive the publication company of their share of the proceeds after they fronted the money in good faith to bring the idea to the market? I don't care what is written. I know what is right by my standards of behavior.

As for downloading a copy of something you have paid for already, I agree with you. One time of buying it is enough. I know what is right by my standards of behavior. But. I'm the only one that has to live with myself.

From the consumer's point of view, yes there are a tremendous number of freebies out there. From the artist's point of view, there are a tremendous number of thieves out there.

Copyright infringement is not theft, it is not stealing, maybe the best description of the crime would be unlawful copying.

Stealing is the intention to permanently deprive someone of their property. Property is defined as a physical item .... not thought or ideas.

Electronic data is not property nor has it ever been defined as property by any legal system in any country in this world, therefore it cannot be stolen.

One could argue that having once paid to view a piece of 'data' distributed in whatever form, then one has already purchased the right to view that data in any other form.

(so for example buying a vinyl record of say 'dark side of the moon' should entitle one to download it as an MP3, or burn on a CD, etc.)

But of course publication companies like to sell essentially the same product to the same person over and over again.

Anyway, I have bought 1,000s of physical books and if I want to download them again at no cost to myself for use on an e-book reader .... damned if I will pay again, and damned if I will allow anyone to call me a thief for doing it!

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What is defined in written laws or codes should not be what governs us in their absence.. Did you deprive the artist of his share of the proceeds? Did you deprive the publication company of their share of the proceeds after they fronted the money in good faith to bring the idea to the market? I don't care what is written. I know what is right by my standards of behavior.

What about the library!

It can buy 1 book, CD or DVD and lend it to a million people ..... no extra income for the author.

Tell me if you think that's right ..... are all people who use a library stealing!

What about movie rental shops ... is that wrong.

I think every movie producer, book author and musician would close those places if they could get away with it.

Let's face it ,current copyright laws are nothing to do with right and wrong, or protecting artists, but are the product of billions of $$$ of corruption and bribery among American politicians.

Sorry .... totally off topic rant!

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You bring two good points that are worth consideration.

Of course the rental shops pay extra for that privilege, based on how many rentals they do.. Now, 16 people invited over to watch a movie that one person rented is a different story and hard to defend.

Libraries were, of course, started to bring works to people who could not afford them. Tax payers footed the bills so all could enjoy. Long waits for a good product aren't something that goes over well these days, hence libraries are dying out in many cities.

Have a happy new year.

What is defined in written laws or codes should not be what governs us in their absence.. Did you deprive the artist of his share of the proceeds? Did you deprive the publication company of their share of the proceeds after they fronted the money in good faith to bring the idea to the market? I don't care what is written. I know what is right by my standards of behavior.

What about the library!

It can buy 1 book, CD or DVD and lend it to a million people ..... no extra income for the author.

Tell me if you think that's right ..... are all people who use a library stealing!

What about movie rental shops ... is that wrong.

I think every movie producer, book author and musician would close those places if they could get away with it.

Let's face it ,current copyright laws are nothing to do with right and wrong, or protecting artists, but are the product of billions of $ of corruption and bribery among American politicians.

Sorry .... totally off topic rant!

Edited by kandahar

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Less and less people are reading, my local libraries in Australia have lines of computers along the wall.

Kids read now because they have to, I read for indoor recreation, they play computer games and watch TV.

It seems few people get rich writing, a comfortable living is the best even a popular writer can expect and most supplement their income by teaching.

Like a lot of musicians it's enough just to pull a good crowd, if people are reading their stuff they get the satisfaction from that.

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I became a fan of Val McDermid this last year, boy can she write a crime thriller novel.

Brilliant storyteller, but excruciating. At times it seems the violence in her writing is directed at the reader as well as the characters.

http://www.guardian....ug/16/ianrankin

I'm inclined to agree with Ian Rankin's comments.

There does seem to be an in-your-face violence against female characters in McDermid's novels that, to me, is only indirectly related to the broader social issue of violence against women.

There's a general squeamishness in polite society about explicit depiction of violence against women. McDermid challenges this in her writing, and as a male, Rankin finds it offensive, but sees no problem in depicting violence against males. Most people don't see much problem with that. Violence is much more closely associated with the masculine world than with the feminine.

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McDermid seems to write in the Thomas Harris school of fiction where the violence to victims reflects what happens in the real world.

Crimes against women, as individuals or groups, do tend to be underplayed by male writers.

As a lesbian I suppose McDermid feels qualified to see things from both sides.

I'll agree with Rankin that women are writing very good crime fiction at the moment but my personal ranking of crime novelists would be James Lee Burke, Michael Connelly, then Val McDermid.

I exclude Thomas Harris, probably my favourite all time fiction writer as he's difficult to categorise, although he certainly writes about crime.

Thanks for the link... interesting.

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Reading "Last Night In Twisted River" by John Irving.

I was a big fan of Irving's early work.. "The World According To Garp", "The Cider House Rules"... but went off his later books.

This is right up to his old standard. :)

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