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If only life were that easy.

My personal opinion (often wrong) is that she will have a very hard time getting into the USA.

No conviction in court true, but neither have a lot of other USA blacklisted people without convictions.

I think the US will look at the evidence, talk to the authorities and decide that 'he did it'.

I agree. If she had US citizenship, there'd be no problem in entering the US. But assuming she's a Thai citizen, she'd need to obtain a visa. That might not be so easy to obtain. At the very least, I'm sure the US Consulates have read the newspapers. If they're legally married, she might be able to squeak into the US. Even then I think it would be very difficult simply by the association that her husband has or will be blacklisted from Thailand. The Consulate would probably take into consideration the reason for the blacklisting. But you never know, they might grant a visa by virtue of marriage, assuming they have a registered marriage. If not, then I would think it's history. I wonder if they had any kids?

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Ok I can see that they may 'know' but there has been NO conviction right? everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a Court of Law, even in the US - he can just say 'not me - they deported the wrong guy' - it appears there is no confession, no conviction and no sentence - anyone know different?

If only life were that easy.

My personal opinion (often wrong) is that she will have a very hard time getting into the USA.

No conviction in court true, but neither have a lot of other USA blacklisted people without convictions.

I think the US will look at the evidence, talk to the authorities and decide that 'he did it'.

But isn't it strange, to you, that there is no court case and no conviction?

Absolutely!!

A lot of talk about being deported. Is there any thing in print to that affect.? Or is it all wishful thinking?

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Ok I can see that they may 'know' but there has been NO conviction right? everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a Court of Law, even in the US - he can just say 'not me - they deported the wrong guy' - it appears there is no confession, no conviction and no sentence - anyone know different?

It dosen't matter that he is not convicted or charged or any thing else. when he go's back to the states it will not show up as a mark against him. It will in no way hamper his ability to pursue what ever he chooses to pursue.

What it will do is be a huge mark against bringing his wife in to the country if the immigration is aware of it.

Even being lily white and fulfilling all the required conditions is not a guarantee that she would be allowed into the country.

That's true. I know of one guy who is as clean as a whistle, has tried several times to get a visa to the US, and has been repeatedly refused. I don't know the reasons for the refusal though.

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Ok I can see that they may 'know' but there has been NO conviction right? everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a Court of Law, even in the US - he can just say 'not me - they deported the wrong guy' - it appears there is no confession, no conviction and no sentence - anyone know different?

If only life were that easy.

My personal opinion (often wrong) is that she will have a very hard time getting into the USA.

No conviction in court true, but neither have a lot of other USA blacklisted people without convictions.

I think the US will look at the evidence, talk to the authorities and decide that 'he did it'.

1/3 of the population of Thailand could move to the US without a visa and that would be less than the number of illegal aliens now living in the States. I really don't think it is that hard to enter the country.

That's not saying much for 'Homeland Security'.

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After 09/11/2001, things changed dramatically. It's tough for Brazilians, Chinese, Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainians, and dozens of other nationals to get in to the USA these days. I read all the time how much more difficult it is for Thais. Sure Canadians and Mexicans don't have that difficult of a time.

That is correct

There is a reason why these days a K1 or K3 to the USA can take over a year.

The background checks by the FBI are quite thorough along with the pile of forms & fees

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Deport him with no jail time and no possibility of returning. That would be punishment enough and would cost Thailand nothing.

These are not really hard drugs, but the quantities that he was arrested with are rather shocking. :o

That is just a pipe dream.

Every one knows it is easy to come back. Thailand is not as stringent on who enters the country as many western countries.

I had to laugh when I went in to renew my Retirement visa the officer took all the papers and opened a file drawer that was almost over flowing with papers and threw mine on top. There must have been at least a weeks worth of forms there. I highly doubt they would be able to spot him coming back into the country at a later date.

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Ok I can see that they may 'know' but there has been NO conviction right? everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a Court of Law, even in the US - he can just say 'not me - they deported the wrong guy' - it appears there is no confession, no conviction and no sentence - anyone know different?

It dosen't matter that he is not convicted or charged or any thing else. when he go's back to the states it will not show up as a mark against him. It will in no way hamper his ability to pursue what ever he chooses to pursue.

What it will do is be a huge mark against bringing his wife in to the country if the immigration is aware of it.

Even being lily white and fulfilling all the required conditions is not a guarantee that she would be allowed into the country.

That's true. I know of one guy who is as clean as a whistle, has tried several times to get a visa to the US, and has been repeatedly refused. I don't know the reasons for the refusal though.

I hear all that stuff all the time. Last year a 65 year old friend of mine married a 20 year old go go dancer and got a green card for her and they both went to the US in 6 months. Now they live 6 months in Thailand and 6 in the US. I really don't know why some guys have trouble and other sail through.

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If only life were that easy.

My personal opinion (often wrong) is that she will have a very hard time getting into the USA.

No conviction in court true, but neither have a lot of other USA blacklisted people without convictions.

I think the US will look at the evidence, talk to the authorities and decide that 'he did it'.

I agree. If she had US citizenship, there'd be no problem in entering the US. But assuming she's a Thai citizen, she'd need to obtain a visa. That might not be so easy to obtain. At the very least, I'm sure the US Consulates have read the newspapers. If they're legally married, she might be able to squeak into the US. Even then I think it would be very difficult simply by the association that her husband has or will be blacklisted from Thailand. The Consulate would probably take into consideration the reason for the blacklisting. But you never know, they might grant a visa by virtue of marriage, assuming they have a registered marriage. If not, then I would think it's history. I wonder if they had any kids?

No they didn't have kids. Bob has grown children from a previous marriage.

Again, I disagree with jayjay0 when he says "...when he go's back to the states it will not show up as a mark against him...." Bob is 100% in some U.S. Government computer as being a drug trafficker in Thailand. That will stay with him the rest of his life. They will be watching him. The DEA even has offices here in Chiang Mai! There was an article in one the local magazines that talked about this. Here it is ---> http://www.chiangmainews.com/ecmn/viewfa.php?id=2690

They know jayjay0, they know...

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Ok I can see that they may 'know' but there has been NO conviction right? everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a Court of Law, even in the US - he can just say 'not me - they deported the wrong guy' - it appears there is no confession, no conviction and no sentence - anyone know different?

It dosen't matter that he is not convicted or charged or any thing else. when he go's back to the states it will not show up as a mark against him. It will in no way hamper his ability to pursue what ever he chooses to pursue.

What it will do is be a huge mark against bringing his wife in to the country if the immigration is aware of it.

Even being lily white and fulfilling all the required conditions is not a guarantee that she would be allowed into the country.

That's true. I know of one guy who is as clean as a whistle, has tried several times to get a visa to the US, and has been repeatedly refused. I don't know the reasons for the refusal though.

I hear all that stuff all the time. Last year a 65 year old friend of mine married a 20 year old go go dancer and got a green card for her and they both went to the US in 6 months. Now they live 6 months in Thailand and 6 in the US. I really don't know why some guys have trouble and other sail through.

I presume they didn't put 'go go dancer' in the employment section of the visa application, so it's irrelevant if all criteria were met.

And, even if they did put 'go go dancer down....it's not an illegal profession, but it is a banned occupation in Thailand for elderly farang males. rolleyes.gif

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1/3 of the population of Thailand could move to the US without a visa and that would be less than the number of illegal aliens now living in the States. I really don't think it is that hard to enter the country.

That may be true if your a neighboring country & can walk/swim/run in

How many Thai's have you brought to the US?

It is not as it once was

After 09/11/2001, things changed dramatically. It's tough for Brazilians, Chinese, Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainians, and dozens of other nationals to get in to the USA these days. I read all the time how much more difficult it is for Thais. Sure Canadians and Mexicans don't have that difficult of a time.

Mexican's don't have a difficult time? Tell that to the 1000's that die crossing the border every year from starvation, dehydration, heat-exhaustion, drug traffickers, etc. The trip is far from easy. I've spent quite amount of time around the south texas border (Del Rio, TX and Ciudad Acuna, MX). The climate is extremely unforgiving. I can't imagine having to make a trip like that. I doubt I could make it. And I grew up in West Texas, so its not like I am unfamiliar with the climate or terrain. I think that quite to the contrary, illegal entry into the US is THE most difficult way possible to enter.

-Mestizo

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Ok I can see that they may 'know' but there has been NO conviction right? everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a Court of Law, even in the US - he can just say 'not me - they deported the wrong guy' - it appears there is no confession, no conviction and no sentence - anyone know different?

If only life were that easy.

My personal opinion (often wrong) is that she will have a very hard time getting into the USA.

No conviction in court true, but neither have a lot of other USA blacklisted people without convictions.

I think the US will look at the evidence, talk to the authorities and decide that 'he did it'.

But isn't it strange, to you, that there is no court case and no conviction?

I think it's unbelievably strange (if true).

I concur with uptheos assessment of the situation. The USA knows EVERYTHING about their citizens business; legal or illegal. It's the biggest Nanny state in the world. If we all know about it, then the Feds do as well. I would say that the chances of Bob's wife getting a visa to the USA would be close to impossible. Again, I believe that there is more to this story...

ph34r.gif Well said. thumbsup.gif

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<br>Ok I can see that they may 'know' but there has been NO conviction right?  everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a Court of Law, even in the US - he can just say 'not me - they deported the wrong guy' - it appears there is no confession, no conviction and no sentence - anyone know different?<br>
<br><br>It dosen't matter that he is not convicted or charged or any thing else. when he go's back to the states it will not show up as a mark against him. It will in no way hamper his ability to pursue what ever he chooses to pursue.<br><br>What it will do is be a huge mark against bringing his wife in to the country if the immigration is aware of it.<br>Even being lily white and fulfilling all the required conditions is not a guarantee that she would be allowed into the country.<br>
<br>That's true. I know of one guy who is as clean as a whistle, has tried several times to get a visa to the US, and has been repeatedly refused. I don't know the reasons for the refusal though.<br>
<br><br>I do believe that being married is even harder than just being a visoter when it comes to getting a visa. Perhaps if she was to claim being his care taker. I know one that did that and got his girl friend a visa. She how ever had a letter from her employer that she was a valuable asset to the NGO she worked for. In addition she had part ownership in a house.<br><br>They like to see a reason for you to not stay there permanently. I have heard that if You were to have 200,000 Baht in the bank for at least six months they would consider that a reason for you to return home. <br><br>This same friend of mine recounted to me a story of one of his flights. There was a Lady on the flight from Laos who had acquired her visa before leaving and upon arrival immigration sent her back.<img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sad.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=":("><br><br>At any rate it is all academic so far the case for her going to the states is all based on a rumor from the streets. All rumors have a start. I was wondering if this rumor was started by some one for ulterior reasons. It makes absolutely no sense that he would be deported this quick. Mind you Thailand can not always be predictable.<br> Edited by jayjay0
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Word on the grapevine is Bob has been deported and blacklisted already, no charges will be brought in the US. His wife has been released without charge also.

Sadly Spanky's will not be re-opening for business.

Thank god, their burgers sucked!

I wonder how many people he ratted out to get his deal to be set free. With the quantity he got popped with, thai 5.0 wouldn't stop at just busting him, then setting him free. NO WAY.

Anyone that has ever called him and are reading this thread I strongly recommend that you change your cell phones along with getting a new number. Getting a new number won't be enough, trust me - i know

These days they go after the customers as well, if its really someone juicy they won't bust you until you do something bigger, then they will pounce on you. - trust me.

My company sells the software used to do this.

Forget about software. Nearly every Tuk Tuk driver in CM will facilitate a weed deal.

The BIB don't want to shutdown the weed trade. It's one of their cash cows.

Ever see drug dogs on or around Loy Kro? Of course not because that would shutdown the trade.

It's about protection in CM. Spanky didn't run that kind of quantity for so long without protection.

Can't discount competing factions within the drug trade and protection landscape. Evidently his agreement got renegotiated.

And half the tuk tuk drivers and motorcycle taxis are also deputized informants. Things have changed and there are ALOT of narcs, even some of the bargirls are narcs.

I guarantee you BiB have every single number that has been called or received from his phone atleast within the past 6 months, along with every single text message, incase you guys didn't know - text messages NEVER leave your providers system.

Like i said before, they keep track of this stuff for long term bust.

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1/3 of the population of Thailand could move to the US without a visa and that would be less than the number of illegal aliens now living in the States. I really don't think it is that hard to enter the country.

That may be true if your a neighboring country & can walk/swim/run in

How many Thai's have you brought to the US?

It is not as it once was

After 09/11/2001, things changed dramatically. It's tough for Brazilians, Chinese, Czechs, Slovaks, Ukrainians, and dozens of other nationals to get in to the USA these days. I read all the time how much more difficult it is for Thais. Sure Canadians and Mexicans don't have that difficult of a time.

Mexican's don't have a difficult time? Tell that to the 1000's that die crossing the border every year from starvation, dehydration, heat-exhaustion, drug traffickers, etc. The trip is far from easy. I've spent quite amount of time around the south texas border (Del Rio, TX and Ciudad Acuna, MX). The climate is extremely unforgiving. I can't imagine having to make a trip like that. I doubt I could make it. And I grew up in West Texas, so its not like I am unfamiliar with the climate or terrain. I think that quite to the contrary, illegal entry into the US is THE most difficult way possible to enter.

-Mestizo

I have not been there in years. Are the border checks when an American drives across that extreme now? Do they check more than a drivers license?

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If only life were that easy.

My personal opinion (often wrong) is that she will have a very hard time getting into the USA.

No conviction in court true, but neither have a lot of other USA blacklisted people without convictions.

I think the US will look at the evidence, talk to the authorities and decide that 'he did it'.

I agree. If she had US citizenship, there'd be no problem in entering the US. But assuming she's a Thai citizen, she'd need to obtain a visa. That might not be so easy to obtain. At the very least, I'm sure the US Consulates have read the newspapers. If they're legally married, she might be able to squeak into the US. Even then I think it would be very difficult simply by the association that her husband has or will be blacklisted from Thailand. The Consulate would probably take into consideration the reason for the blacklisting. But you never know, they might grant a visa by virtue of marriage, assuming they have a registered marriage. If not, then I would think it's history. I wonder if they had any kids?

No they didn't have kids. Bob has grown children from a previous marriage.

Again, I disagree with jayjay0 when he says "...when he go's back to the states it will not show up as a mark against him...." Bob is 100% in some U.S. Government computer as being a drug trafficker in Thailand. That will stay with him the rest of his life. They will be watching him. The DEA even has offices here in Chiang Mai! There was an article in one the local magazines that talked about this. Here it is ---> http://www.chiangmai...wfa.php?id=2690

They know jayjay0, they know...

Yes I am sure you are rite it is some where in there system.

But what I was saying it will not stand in his way of pursuing a career.

Granted there are careers where they might do extensive checks but for a man of his age there is not that many openings in what is already a small field.

I am quite sure that a lot of the jobs he would pursue would not even care if they knew.

The only thing that I have a feeling of kindness to him is the loss of his wife. If that is indeed a loss to him. I never met him so I would not have a clue. I know for myself it would be a big loss.

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So there is just one person on this topic from back on Feb 15th who claims to have a "reliable source" as to Bob's wherabouts, but which can not be verified. Until we hear more definitively, I think it is safer to admit that we really don't know where Bob is. This is only a rumor that he is in the US. Wishful thinking for his welfare, but don't get carried away with such a report at this time. "I read it on the internet, so it must be true..."

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My opinion only

This thread is going no where.

Does any one have any real information in what is happening?:jap:

Have to agree, and there have been way to many "off topic posts"

I'm going to close it for now.

If anyone has "reliable and credible" information that would be useful to our members about THIS topic please use the pm funcion and if we feel there is merit in re-opening it we will.

Thank you

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We have reliable information that Bob is in Mae Rim Prison.

If you wish to visit him visting times are 10.30-11.30 .

To gain entrance to the prison you will have to specify Bob's full name.

If you KNOW Bob and want to visit him you will surely know his surname.

After discussion with other Moderators and Admin it has been decided that Thai Visa will not reveal his surname.

This thread will now close again, but we hope those of you who knew him will take the time to visit, we are sure he would appreciate it.

We will of course update you with any further information as it arises.

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