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Meltdown Likely Under Way At Japan Nuclear Reactor

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Yes, we might be lucky that it happened in Japan where standards are high. But it still is another example of the human being palying with a fire he will never be able to fully control. There is only one way to resolve the problem permanently. Get rid of nuclear plants.

There are no alternatives currently. Our world needs energy to go forward. To go forward with medicine, all kind of nice things like the internet, taveling etc... nothing happens without energy.

Well, there is an option of burning coal. To understand what that means, you can go to visit some Chinese cities and ask when was the last time they saw blue sky. Or perhaps on what decade it happened.

The last nuclear plant accident was 1986. That is 25 year ago! The death toll for Chernobyl and this Japan accident has been less than people die in the traffic accidents in one year her in LOS.

Nuclear science is more challenging for the mind and therefore might scare some people. It's not that bad at all.

incorrect - a minute bit of research would so you how wrong you are. You make far too many assumptions about both the production of and future needs for energy.

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Why does the densest seismic network in the world/such an earthquake prone area have Nuclear Reactors.

Of course they need the power it supplies...but still it makes one wonder.

The bigger question is: "Why build nuke reactors anywhere?"

Right now, everyone is fixated on Japanese reactors and the impacts of the earthquakes. Hello! Nuclear is much bigger than that. Any one or group of factors can imperil living things around a reactor. Earthquake is one of many.

In Thailand, the two biggest potential problems for reactors are.

>>>>> lax maintenance and/or lack of top-end technical skills - coupled with slowness to react and/or acting too rashly - to an emergency scenario.

>>>>> take-over or destruction by outside group. Could be southern insurgents (that's where at least one reactor is planned), or could be a future incarnation of the Reds or some similar hot-headed group.

Other problems could include: irresponsible dumping of radioactive trash, not decommissioning the plant when it should be decommissioned, peril to uranium while it makes its long trip from faraway, rising costs of yellowcake, inability or laxness toward doing proper maintenance, things getting stolen (the Thai army gets stuff stolen every month), the list goes on and on.

Nuclear power has drawbacks for myriad reasons. Concentrated solar is cheaper and cleaner and safer.

"Nuclear power has drawbacks for myriad reasons. Concentrated solar is cheaper and cleaner and safer."

One of nuclear powers big advantages is that, unlike solar, it works at night, and when it is most needed. Power generation is a "use it or lose game" as there are very limited means of storing generated power - and the 2 peak load periods are before and after when solar is capable of supplying energy.

Storage systems such as batteries and flywheels hold miniscule amounts of energy compared to that required - the only practical method is pumping water uphill and dropping it through a hydro-station when required as in the aussie Snowy Mountains scheme, which again is tiny in comparison to Japan's o/night and peak load requirements.

So, if you like solar, you have 3 problems to overcome:

Where to put the solar panels and dams in a densely populated country?

What happens to the dams in a major earthquake?

How long will your govt stay in office after the entire population sits around in the dark freezing their tits off when the next typhoon comes along?

Further question.

What happens to if there is an explosion or a fire in a factory that produce solar panels after an earth quake. What is the environmental impact? Solar panel are not that clean, a lot of nasty chemical shit is used to produce them and a lot of toxic chemicals are inside them. They are hazardous waste.

Solar Energy Firms Leave Waste Behind in China

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/08/AR2008030802595.html

Are solar panels the next e-waste?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/sep/03/solar-panels-ewaste

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Another Japanese nightmare... They always pretended that their nuclear power plants were earthquake-resistant and safe for any tremor that could shake the construction.

Now we have another Chernobyl coming up, despite all what they are pretending that there is no immediate threat for the people. Why then evacuate them 20 km away from the plant? Melting is underway and nobody can stop it. It will continue to burn as in Chernobyl, until all nuclear fuel has been burnt and blown in the sky, poisening thousands of sq.km. land and/or ocean. A nuclear powerplant is not like a Toyota car which has been recalled for failing breakes... Will they ever learn??? :bah:

This is NOT Chernobyl in any sense of the word. The reactor type is different and Chernobyl had major design flaws, not the least of which was that they had no containment vessel whatsoever. The Japanese are not known to cut corners when it comes to nuclear fission.

In other words, relax. :jap:

Relax? http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=fukushima-core&page=2

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Perhaps someone should start a new thread about the pros and cons of energy production types somewhere other than here.

It really isn't that interesting.

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Yes, we might be lucky that it happened in Japan where standards are high. But it still is another example of the human being palying with a fire he will never be able to fully control. There is only one way to resolve the problem permanently. Get rid of nuclear plants.

There are no alternatives currently. Our world needs energy to go forward. To go forward with medicine, all kind of nice things like the internet, taveling etc... nothing happens without energy.

Well, there is an option of burning coal. To understand what that means, you can go to visit some Chinese cities and ask when was the last time they saw blue sky. Or perhaps on what decade it happened.

The last nuclear plant accident was 1986. That is 25 year ago! The death toll for Chernobyl and this Japan accident has been less than people die in the traffic accidents in one year her in LOS.

Nuclear science is more challenging for the mind and therefore might scare some people. It's not that bad at all.

incorrect - a minute bit of research would so you how wrong you are. You make far too many assumptions about both the production of and future needs for energy.You also overlook that any rdiation takes 10s of thousands of years to die off- and has to be stored by man for that time.......

Edited by Deeral

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Jiji Press wire service reports Fukushima Daichi 1 reactor filled with sea water...

Tokyo, March 13 (Jiji Press)--The immediate safety has been secured at a reactor of a quake-damaged nuclear power plant in northern Japan, as its container was apparently filled with sea water to cool the reactor, regulators said Sunday morning.

There appear to be little risk for now that a massive amount of radioactive substances will leak from the reactor, officials at the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said.

The agency and Tokyo Electric Power Co. <9501>, the plant's operator, will work to keep the container filled with water, the officials said.

The water filling work started Saturday night in order to forestall any disaster involving the No. 1 reactor of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant in Fukushima Prefecture.

Fears of disaster grew after an explosion ripped off the ceiling of the building that housed the reactor of the plant damaged by the 9.0-magnitude quake that jolted eastern and northern Japan Friday. The blast did not damage the reactor container.

http://jen.jiji.com/...k=2011031300130

Edited by jfchandler

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so sad

4:15pm NHK television quotes a police chief as saying more than 10,000 are feared dead in Miyagi. Our correspondenton the ground said earlier that the same number of people were unaccounted for. Some buildings in the area were moved 3km by the tsunami.

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If they build in Thailand, you can be sure that graft ad corruption will ensure that the project is built below standard. Materials will be skipped as mnoey is syphoned off and things like location etc will be decided by bribery.

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Yes, we might be lucky that it happened in Japan where standards are high. But it still is another example of the human being palying with a fire he will never be able to fully control. There is only one way to resolve the problem permanently. Get rid of nuclear plants.

There are no alternatives currently. Our world needs energy to go forward. To go forward with medicine, all kind of nice things like the internet, taveling etc... nothing happens without energy.

Well, there is an option of burning coal. To understand what that means, you can go to visit some Chinese cities and ask when was the last time they saw blue sky. Or perhaps on what decade it happened.

The last nuclear plant accident was 1986. That is 25 year ago! The death toll for Chernobyl and this Japan accident has been less than people die in the traffic accidents in one year her in LOS.

Nuclear science is more challenging for the mind and therefore might scare some people. It's not that bad at all.

incorrect - a minute bit of research would so you how wrong you are. You make far too many assumptions about both the production of and future needs for energy.

Agreed with Deerai

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Wow only 20 kilometers. I am no expert but that seems to be cutting it rather short to me.

Must say I take my hat off to the brave people trying to cool down the reactor though.

jb1

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All readers should download and watch the new Finnish documentary, INTO ETERNITY.

You can also find fact of the disposal tunnels from it's constructors page. http://www.posiva.fi/en/final_disposal

Finnish bedrock is mostly granite, which itself contains uranium and emits radioactive radon gas.

I hope Finland will be able to make an profitable business by offering the final disposal place for other countries as well.

I think nobody or not many care about the facts of disposing nuclear waste. It's a me generation throughout the globe. Who cares about future generations?

There will be a solution? - This way = No way.

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"One of nuclear powers big advantages is that, unlike solar, it works at night," - a wonderful comment by one of the myriad clueless posters who have posted on TV over the years.I expect he was in charge of the Irish "space ship to the sun" project????

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Wow only 20 kilometers. I am no expert but that seems to be cutting it rather short to me.

Must say I take my hat off to the brave people trying to cool down the reactor though.

jb1

of couse it is not enough in case it gets worse. This is just face saving tactics.

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Perhaps someone should start a new thread about the pros and cons of energy production types somewhere other than here.

It really isn't that interesting.

good idea

hopefully a mod will do it.

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