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Its funny how just about everyone on here chooses to be in Thailand, and most of them could easily go back to their own country or a number of other countries. But all they want to do is complain and moan and jump all over everything and everyone in Thailand. Geez, if you hate it so much...LEAVE! It is an entirely different culture, with different values, and the corruption is out in the open (as opposed to the countries where you come from, where the corruption is probably worse, but since it behind closed doors, no one seems to notice or care).

It would seem fairly obvious to anyone paying attention in the world that two high level drug gang members trekking through a remote area of the golden triangle are probably not after a picture of a temple or a monkey. And a 'tour guide' who is not only armed, but capable to taking down an armed Yakuza member is probably not the kind of guy who hangs around the airport in a tuk tuk. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing the 'tourist' was a really a victim of a psychotic tour guide with no patience and an itchy trigger finger. Regardless of if it was a hit, or just a reaction to a very heated situation with someone who was also armed, and may well have killed numerous people in his life for no good reason. Gang/mafia leaders are not well regarded for their patience and understanding when things don't go their way.

Actually I really like it here. If you live here a long time, pretty soon news like this just falls under Amazing Thailand, and it becomes hard to ignore it. Sort of like the 800 pound gorilla standing in the room everyone is trying to ignore. You HAVE to see the weird humor of a guide getting mad at his customers and gunning them down. ( his story). You do right?? Or the endless jumpers in Pattaya, or the farangs found hanging with their hands behind them in handcuffs that are ruled suicide ?? The truth will never be known ,so it just becomes a matter of interest to speculate on what really occurred. And these stories can also be a form of education in how to go wrong here. Make no mistake, LOTS of farangs die here. I just want to make sure I am not one of them.. :-)

Well said. My Rose tinted glasses came off long ago.

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So the tour guide had the gun in order to 'defend tourists'! Is that normal practice for tour guides I wonder? As for the deceased being yakuza, I'd love to know how that conclusion was arrived at, perhaps he wrote it on his arrival/departure card under occupation. :whistling:

Go back and read the article...and also look at the yakuza tattoos on the dead man's body.:blink: Only Yakuza have tats like that. Yakuza.

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Its funny how just about everyone on here chooses to be in Thailand, and most of them could easily go back to their own country or a number of other countries. But all they want to do is complain and moan and jump all over everything and everyone in Thailand. Geez, if you hate it so much...LEAVE! It is an entirely different culture, with different values, and the corruption is out in the open (as opposed to the countries where you come from, where the corruption is probably worse, but since it behind closed doors, no one seems to notice or care).

It would seem fairly obvious to anyone paying attention in the world that two high level drug gang members trekking through a remote area of the golden triangle are probably not after a picture of a temple or a monkey. And a 'tour guide' who is not only armed, but capable to taking down an armed Yakuza member is probably not the kind of guy who hangs around the airport in a tuk tuk. Sorry, but I have a hard time believing the 'tourist' was a really a victim of a psychotic tour guide with no patience and an itchy trigger finger. Regardless of if it was a hit, or just a reaction to a very heated situation with someone who was also armed, and may well have killed numerous people in his life for no good reason. Gang/mafia leaders are not well regarded for their patience and understanding when things don't go their way.

Seconded.

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I'm just surprised that there was $10,000 left in one of the backpacks by the time anyone got there.

That was 10K left after the tour guide, the villagers who helped the wounded man, and the BiB got a shot at it. I wonder how much was there before?

I have to agree with multiple previous posts. The head of a Yakuza family was not packing a pistol and a wad of cash around one of the worlds largest Opium processing hubs (and don't lets forget MethAmphetamine) to go take pictures of the stilt houses. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck. This was a drug deal gone bad, or maybe the Thai guide knew nothing of their plan, realized they had a ton of cash and robbed them. One lived...oops... they were Yakuza....double oops....

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There used to be lots of opium on the hills of Chiang Rai.Do I have personal information about this - Yes! Used to see them back in the year 2000. That was 11 years ago - BT (before Taksin). Since then most of the opium came from across the border. Saw opium plant again only once (around 3 years ago) on the hands of someone in uniform near Doi Wawi. I doubt there is a lot of opium being grown in that area now. Besides, it seems to be rather out of the way of transhipment points (i.e. between Myanmar and Thailand).

One word comes to mind... opium. Lots of it.

Yeah...no opium in the golden triangle. What color is the sky in the universe you live in? The hill tribes have been processing opium for hundreds of years. Maybe it is less in your face, but it is still there, and now we have added Meth to the mix as well.

See another story the same day where they busted a couple of Burmese Wa army guys with over a million tabs of Meth in Chiang Rai. It is almost as if smugglers would want to AVOID popular transhipment points to allay suspicion.

Hey...maybe those guys had a buy scheduled with a couple of Yakuza who didn't show up?

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The Bangkok post today reported on this story stating that the Guide in question handed in his gun a .38 , not the 9mm that was used in the killing ??

The story of 2 or more Yakuza Japanese Mafia and being bosses as well , trekking in the mountains of CR is

in my opinion hogwash. These Top men wouldnt do business with a tour guide, a Japanese minion would be sent to a hotel in BKK and a deal would be done there. Personally I think this was an orchestrated HIT. These men have come from Japan , taken somewhere, shot and nothing stolen from them . Maybe they have a fall guy in the Thai guide and maybe he will be released soon if enough money is paid. Maybe a bad drugs deal was done before and they came to make amends but ended up paying for it big time.

The talk on the streets is all in favour of the Guide as he really isnt that type of person unless of course he has been very well taken care of financially. Time will tell.

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Perhaps if the tour guide had been on time instead of 1 hour late, this shooting would not have occurred.

I'm sure we have all been angry on many occasions due to the Thais lack of time-keeping.

Thai time keeping is not the best in the world, I have to shoot one or two of mt staff every week.

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Most people reading this story could care less if the Japanese tourist was mafia or not. They will however, remember that a Thai tour guide murdered one of his guests.

As if the tuk-tuks and jet ski scams were not enough. Now you can come to Thailand, on vacation, and be murdered by your Thai host simply because he does not like you.

Another brick in the wall.

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Sweet Justice served. I hope the poor tour guide doesn't get shit for this. If the reports are true, it ~IS~ self-defense. I mean c'mon... How many tour guides shoot their hosts dead in this country?

But the dead dong being "Yakuza"... Someone's gonna want retaliation... :(

wait a minute. what was the tour guide doing with a gun. was he allowed to have a gun? and the one guy was shot in the back? there's a lot more to this story for sure.

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Most people reading this story could care less if the Japanese tourist was mafia or not. They will however, remember that a Thai tour guide murdered one of his guests.

As if the tuk-tuks and jet ski scams were not enough. Now you can come to Thailand, on vacation, and be murdered by your Thai host simply because he does not like you.

Another brick in the wall.

I think most people reading this will be able to differentiate between a normal vacation or retirement and the kind of excursion that requires you to carry a gun and take a lot of cash to a remote location.

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Another armchair expert on the subject of opium production. Have you ever seen opium being grown? Did you know that it is very easy to spot opium from the air? You honestly think that these tribal people at Chiang Rai are morons don't you?

Burmese Wa Army guys came from Burma. Not Thailand. Can you even see the difference?

The other guy was saying opium. My reply was about opium and not crystal meth.

Yeah...no opium in the golden triangle. What color is the sky in the universe you live in? The hill tribes have been processing opium for hundreds of years. Maybe it is less in your face, but it is still there, and now we have added Meth to the mix as well.

See another story the same day where they busted a couple of Burmese Wa army guys with over a million tabs of Meth in Chiang Rai. It is almost as if smugglers would want to AVOID popular transhipment points to allay suspicion.

Hey...maybe those guys had a buy scheduled with a couple of Yakuza who didn't show up?

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I have tried to think of a logical solution to the scenario but it has merely produced more questions.

The report states the tourists produced guns first and the tour guide retaliated.

Q. Did the tourist open fire or just draw their sidearms.

If they fired then the guide retaliated in self defence. If they only drew their guns then the guide has some balls for opening up on two guys with guns.

In one of the reports the story has changed from the guide posessing a 9mm to a .38

Q. One tourist shot once in the head and once in the body (fatality) and the other shot in the head (casualty) is 3 bullets. Has any information been released as to whether the 3 remaining bullets from the. .38 were spent or not?

Q. If all bullets were spent from the 38, would you expect 50% as body shots and 50% to miss their targets completely?

Q. If not all the bullets were spent from the 38 then you would expect that the guide would have finished off the casualty case right?

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Gangsters? Guns? Cash? Golden Tri- angle?

Remember 10,000usd buys a huge amount of wholesale or direct from the manufacturer.

High drug trafficking transport area ( Much like the Vietcong used ).

Meaning many diifferent trials to move goods through dense jungle to evade and abate detection.

If the Guy really was Yakuza and belonged to one of the biggest Drug Trafficing Gangs of Japan I don t think he would walk HIMSELF into the Woods and pay a actually small Amount (10K is nothing) to buy a couple of Kilos Opium are you shitting me or what??

Possible he was there to meet with a new Connection and to make a Down Payment to Start doing Business.

All that sounds like a Setup to me, the Tourguide is obviously a Hitman (would be interesting how long he actually all ready works as a Tourguide..)

and maybe works for a other Syndicate.

If it s not like that I don t believe he is from the Yakuza and why the Japanese had no Muscles with him?

Would be a Crime Boss really that stupid to walk around in a foreign Country with Fire Arms??? Don t think so.

It was either a Setup for this Guy or he was just a small time Gangster.....

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I think it unlikely that the deceased was a head guy... I think that is either bad reporting, or an exageration... he is more likely a low level member...

I think it likely that the two Japanese guys were heading into the jungle to engage in some transaction for drugs... most probably coming over the border from Burma...

I think it likely that the tour guide knew that was their purpose, and was knowingly guiding them to a meet point... I think that is why he took the gun... but that doesn't in any way make him a hitman, just a careful co-conspiritor...

I think that the Japanese guy intended to shoot and kill him, either due to an arguement, or because he didn't want a witness to the crime he was committing... (probably the former)...

I think that the basis of the report being the complaining as THE cause is probably bad reporting, it was probably a minor point in the police interview...

I think either the Thai guy was defending himself from an unprovoked attack, or was actively engaged in the arguement, which escalated, and both parties drew their weapons...

I think it unlikely that the truth will ever come out, but I think it likely that the BiB will find in favour of the Thai where there is no evidence either way...

Lucky I am not on the Jury, since I formed this opinion based on the original article without any more knowledge or evidence...

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