webfact Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Tour operators concerned about noisy Russian tourists Lack of diversity can lead to problems BANGKOK: -- According to reports a leading Scandinavian tour operator is concerned that the growing dominance of some nationalities in Phuket and Pattaya can cause difficulties for other guests and urged hotels to diversify the nationalities to which they market. Christian Clemens, CEO of TUI Nordic, a leading Scandinavian tour operator, said that European guests who preferred a peaceful atmosphere and wanted to learn more about the local culture have been unhappy with the growing dominance of one particular nationality. Given the makeup of tourism in Pattaya, it would appear the CEO is referring to the growing number of Russian tourists coming to Thailand. The company is targeting hotels that cater almost exclusively to Scandinavians in order to avoid the cultural clashes that seem to be occurring. According to ATOR Analytical Service, the number of Russian tourists visiting Thailand is showing high growth with the number of Russians visiting in January high season up 48% from the previous year. Thailand's biggest competition in the future will be the Caribbean, particularly Mexico, said Mr Clemens. -- 2011-06-11v] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham.I must add this guy sounds a little crazy ( read a lot ) to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //??????? Edited June 11, 2011 by ableguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farangdong Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham I totally agree with you, that's why I never went to Pattaya... not that I don't like sex but, for what I heard about the place I'm rather sure that it's not the kind of tourist site that I would love to stay in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miami Bob Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham.I must add this guy sounds a little crazy ( read a lot ) to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //??????? Yes I got a laugh out of the Mexico comment also. There is a war going on there. My sister used to go to Mexico frequently from Texas but now they even avoid the road that runs along the border. So if this author is so far off in that respect than how accurate is his other info?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMANOBA Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Mexico?Culture in Pattaya? People come to Pattaya for sex - in the broad sense of the term: also couples coming to Pattaya - especially russian couples- enjoy the ' sexual atmosphere', and so do people who come here with their family.The ones coming to Pattaya or Thailand with kids are a minority.No sex or sexual atmosphere in Mexico, period. About russian tourists: true, they are noisy, but also colourful and they are an attraction on themselves!!!....So they fit the Pattaya-variety-show. What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham.I must add this guy sounds a little crazy ( read a lot ) to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentbkk Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 There are already in Pattaya some places exclusively made for Scandinavian , so I propose they stick to it , if they cannot accept that other people have different way of being on holidays ,they should stay home. Russians can be noisy but they pay like any body else , dont forget that Russian only travel not long ago and they have to learn many things. Do you want to lock your tourists in some "ghettos" to have peace ? Ridiculous ..... I been in many hotels full of Russian tourists , they are not more noisy than some drunk English or Germans. And without those Russians , many hotels would have already closed in Thailand. I dont like Chinese tourists , they have no manners at all , shall I ask the hotels to change their policy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capealava Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Well he may have tagged the wrong city, but Russians have been rated the #1 worst tourist in the world. http://www.tourismandaviation.com/news-460--why_do_russian_tourist_bahave_badly_abroad_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSmurf Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Tour operators co.plaining about tourists coming here! What evet next.lol...First I've heard about it but its just the Swedes.So no real problem.Noisy corridors at night are the norm in Patts and Phuket. Better upgrade to a 5 star if you like it quiet. I used to go to Phuket 3 times a year but got fed up with the bad attitude of the Thais that lived there not the tourists you know Tuk Tuks street vendors etc..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchcaptainbob Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) Oh Yeah...Ruskies are a special specie. They are much too cocky to mate with anybody, would not be even enough of the language barrier, and strangely, others ( Farangs at least , and certainly not only Sandinavians ) like to see them as far as possible. When the Tourism Authorities in Thailand would encourage the Ruskies to flood over it's their problem; if they donot know this basic uncompatibility. Worse is when local developpers would pretend to sell condos at 180,000 THB / sqm, in an area flocked with Ruskies. ( yes you read me right: Northpoint in Naklua, makes a 100 sqm at 18 million THB, 600,000 USD $, I bet they are living on a cloud ain't they ? Of course as a foreigner you got to pay it off cash, no access to bank. The dude in charge to "sell " and who didnot have a clue about his product, recommended me, it was a VERY good investment opportunity.. - compared to WHAT ? -.As usual I could not sort out, wether this dude thought of me as a dumbass, or if he's himself a jerk )<br>Mexico next destination ? No idea. For sure next destination will be a "no Ruskies ", "no cheap Charlies from India ", and " no middle Eastern ", wealthy or not... Edited June 11, 2011 by george formatting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QED Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham.I must add this guy sounds a little crazy ( read a lot ) to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //??????? Sorry but ur post is a crock. TUI is a package tour company that cosset their guests from the seedier side of Pattaya, they don't have planes full of sex tourists as the generally travel independently. As for Mexico, Cancun is still a huge tourist destination regardless of the problems in the rest of the country. Jeez, gotta love Thaivisa, old crones with no knowledge of the subject tapping away on their keyboards like the fountain of all knowledge. I heard a guy in a bar a few days ago tell another old crone 'you've got nothing to say, and you are saying too much of it'. Rather fitting don't you think.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaikahuna Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 <font size="4">Oh Yeah...Ruskies are a special specie. They are much too cocky to mate with anybody, would not be even enough of the language barrier, and strangely, others ( Farangs at least , and certainly not only Sandinavians ) like to see them as far as possible. When the Tourism Authorities in Thailand would encourage the Ruskies to flood over</font>, <font size="4">it's their problem, if they donot know</font> <font size="4">this basic uncompatibility.</font> <font size="4">Worse is when local developpers would pretend to sell condos at 180,000 THB / sqm, in an area flocked with Ruskies. ( yes you read me right: Northpoint in Naklua, makes a 100 sqm at 18 million THB, 600,000 USD $, I bet they are living on a cloud ain't they ? Of course as a foreigner you got to pay it off cash, no access to bank. The dude in charge to "sell " and who didnot have a clue about his product, recommended me, it was a VERY good investment opportunity.. - compared to WHAT ? -.As usual I could not sort out, wether this dude thought of me as a dumbass, or if he's himself a jerk )<br>Mexico next destination ? No idea. For sure next destination will be a "no Ruskies ", "no cheap Charlies from India ", and " no middle Eastern ", wealthy or not...<img class="bbc_emoticon" alt=":jap:" src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/jap.gif"><br></font> And the tour operators just figure this shit out after the Russians get a foothold in Thailand.....BS! They have been thinking with their wallets and not their brains. Now they are here and you will never get rid of them short of severing diplomatic relations with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepi2005 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex [..] I totally agree with you, that's why I never went to Pattaya... not that I don't like sex but, for what I heard about the place I'm rather sure that it's not the kind of tourist site that I would love to stay in. sorry but that's a really stupid remark. If you don't know a place yourself, how can you judge it? Thais themselves come to Pattaya in very large numbers and enjoy the party atmosphere (actually Thais are the largest group of tourists in the city), so you are 'better' than the Thais? It is hard to bear listening people who think they are on moral highground. I would recommend you to take a look yourself and enjoy this colorful city which is much more interesting, lively and colorful than many others in the world. Of course it has downsides - but then, others have as well, especially Bangkok or many over-regulated Western cities. Back to topic: the Russian tourists - well they have their own culture, and it is about time that our Northern European friends learn to deal with them. If you meet them on a person-to-person basis, most of them are very nice and warm people, and many much better educated than the average European tourist, let alone Americans. just my 2 cents, p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOODLOVER Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 There are already in Pattaya some places exclusively made for Scandinavian , so I propose they stick to it , if they cannot accept that other people have different way of being on holidays ,they should stay home. Russians can be noisy but they pay like any body else , dont forget that Russian only travel not long ago and they have to learn many things. Do you want to lock your tourists in some "ghettos" to have peace ? Ridiculous ..... I been in many hotels full of Russian tourists , they are not more noisy than some drunk English or Germans. And without those Russians , many hotels would have already closed in Thailand. I dont like Chinese tourists , they have no manners at all , shall I ask the hotels to change their policy ? So grasshopper you dont like Chinese and you think the Engrish and German people must be drunk to compare to a Russian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Do you want to lock your tourists in some "ghettos" to have peace ? ... Da. Worth consideration, I'd say. Aren't many countries essentially large "ghettos", anyway? Throw some incompatible and intolerant (and especially insensitive) cultures into the same hotel and see what breaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawndoc Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 As for Mexico, Cancun is still a huge tourist destination regardless of the problems in the rest of the country. Not to mention Acapulco, Cabo San Lucas, and numerous other popular travel destinations. The border cities are to be avoided these days (Tijuana, Juarez, etc), but the beach cities further south are still super popular and largely untouched by drug violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdoom6996 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham.I must add this guy sounds a little crazy ( read a lot ) to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //??????? Sorry but ur post is a crock. TUI is a package tour company that cosset their guests from the seedier side of Pattaya, they don't have planes full of sex tourists as the generally travel independently. As for Mexico, Cancun is still a huge tourist destination regardless of the problems in the rest of the country. Jeez, gotta love Thaivisa, old crones with no knowledge of the subject tapping away on their keyboards like the fountain of all knowledge. I heard a guy in a bar a few days ago tell another old crone 'you've got nothing to say, and you are saying too much of it'. Rather fitting don't you think.... I agree totally with your statement. I went to Cozumel last year to SCUBA dive with my brother who still lives in the states. Not one problem. Flew direct from Houston. And the plane was packed both ways. I am one of the old cronies, but I have lived in Pattaya for 24 years and except for the BIB which are everywhere I have had no problems. Loud Russians, of course. But the Brits, wow. Soccer hooligans delux. Loud cocky fighters with men or women. And they are everywhere you go. Not just Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJack Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham I totally agree with you, that's why I never went to Pattaya... not that I don't like sex but, for what I heard about the place I'm rather sure that it's not the kind of tourist site that I would love to stay in. funny i had a pizza on the beach last night and washed it down with a bottle of bubbly a nice sunset from the free beach chairs and a crew of wind surfers carving through the water and the sunset some kids playing in the waves a few hawkers selling seafood didnt see any sex or workers funny that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelmann Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I must say I like to visit Nong Nuch for the full on sex available there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disinto Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Well he may have tagged the wrong city, but Russians have been rated the #1 worst tourist in the world. http://www.tourisman...e_badly_abroad_ Thanks for this link, very interesting. Truly highlights the "nouveaux riches" behavior that most of the Russians exhibit abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham.I must add this guy sounds a little crazy ( read a lot ) to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //??????? Sorry but ur post is a crock. TUI is a package tour company that cosset their guests from the seedier side of Pattaya, they don't have planes full of sex tourists as the generally travel independently. As for Mexico, Cancun is still a huge tourist destination regardless of the problems in the rest of the country. Jeez, gotta love Thaivisa, old crones with no knowledge of the subject tapping away on their keyboards like the fountain of all knowledge. I heard a guy in a bar a few days ago tell another old crone 'you've got nothing to say, and you are saying too much of it'. Rather fitting don't you think.... If they want to cosset their guests from the seedier side of Pattaya, why bring them to Pattaya at all? And which side exactly is the less seedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilvinski Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 stereotyping is a terrible thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZEMADE Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham.I must add this guy sounds a little crazy ( read a lot ) to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //??????? I take my mates and their wives to Chang Mai, Chang Rai, Lop Buri, Koh Chang Island, Bangkok, Hua Hin and Pattaya. They all have had a good time seen the culture and enjoyed all of it. In fact they keep coming back so they must like it all. I myself have been to the USA, Hawaii, Mexico, Cambodia, Laos, Cambodia and the Phillippines and never had a bad experience anywhere. ALL GOOD. Pattaya is a great place to take visitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaiyapruke Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I am originally from BKK. Have moved to live in Pattaya somewhat 10 years ago. So Pattaya is now my home. Pattaya needs tourists. We had a lot of Russians early this year. Now more Indians. I am Thai and I do respect different cultures. Talking about politenes, most nationality have good and bad people. Personally, I find Russians stick to their own group. They have different manners as they were brought up that way. They come to Pattaya to enjoy. I see them shop a lot more than other nationalities who just come here for sex. Ones can be noisy and disrespectful. No matter they are Russian, English, German or etc... They do things that they would not dare to do in their own countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo99 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 There are already in Pattaya some places exclusively made for Scandinavian , so I propose they stick to it , if they cannot accept that other people have different way of being on holidays ,they should stay home. Russians can be noisy but they pay like any body else , dont forget that Russian only travel not long ago and they have to learn many things. Do you want to lock your tourists in some "ghettos" to have peace ? Ridiculous ..... I been in many hotels full of Russian tourists , they are not more noisy than some drunk English or Germans. And without those Russians , many hotels would have already closed in Thailand. I dont like Chinese tourists , they have no manners at all , shall I ask the hotels to change their policy ? I've been living in Patts for over 4 of the past 6 years. I've seen first hand the transition it's taken between having a handful of Russians here and not being able to swing a cat without hitting 10 of them. In that time, I've also had a sharp rise in the number of issues I've had with non Thais in Thailand and it's been due to annoying, rude Russians. For whatever reason, the majority of them simply seem to not care about others. They have this unfounded sense of superiority and are oblivious to others. Sometimes this works out as they simply ignore anyone that is not Russian that they don't HAVE to interact with. But the rest of the time, they simply act as if they're entitled to do as they wish. I've stayed in hotels with a large number of Russians, Indians, Arabs and Chinese and I can say, completely based off experience and not prejudice that the Russians and Arabs were the worst. In terms of being loud and inconsiderate of others, they win hands down. Who cares if they spend some money? I guarantee I've spent more money than many dozens of average Russian tourists and I did it without being an asshol_e to others. They don't make up the even a quarter of the total tourism market so if thy're annoying the other 75%+ then it's a problem. Russians may spend money on hotel rooms but that's about it. They don't spend money in small/medium locally owned business unless it's selling Russian food or one of the few nightlife spots that cater to them. They are quite stingy, don't tip and don't spread their money around. So if the few hotels, restaurants and nightlife venues that cater to them went out of business, no one would notice except that Patts was a nicer place of all sudden. This town does not need them to survive at all. It did just fine 6-7 years ago when the Russian market was a tiny fraction of total tourism and it was doing much better without their wanna-be mafia crime groups. As for the Chinese, it's completely different. I've never seen Chinese tourists mingling with others. They go to hotels that exclusively cater to the Asian tour operators, stick together in tight packs with tour guides and that's about it. Unless you purposely sought out a hotel or restaurant that the tour operates bring them to, you would never see them. Well, except for when they are being bussed in and out of town. And why should I have to accept other people being rude and inconsiderate or stay home? Why should the status quo be to just assume that when I go somewhere on holiday that I will have to deal with low class, annoying people? Sorry but it's other way around... If you can't act like a decent, civilized person and have some respect for others, then YOU stay home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 stereotyping is a terrible thing. ........specially when it's accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggie888888 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 This statement is in the OP: "Given the makeup of tourism in Pattaya, it would appear the CEO is referring to the growing number of Russian tourists coming to Thailand." This phrase is not present in the original Bangkok Post article, in fact there is no mention of Russians in the original article. Where does the anti Russian bias and prejudice come from??? At the end of the day, you take the Russians' money means you accept them as customers, so as service providers, you just shut up and drive. If you are a foreigner and you don't like another group of foreigners, well tough tits. So what if I don't like Russians, Chinese, Thais, English, Americans etc etc...best I leave my own personal emotional baggage at the airport when I arrived in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oMega69 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Yes a Russian free Pattaya would be my Dream ! And More Scandinavians would be lovely to . . . . especially young blond ladies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antony77 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham.I must add this guy sounds a little crazy ( read a lot ) to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //??????? good reply. Also I usually find the Brits and Aussies a pretty noisy lot compared to other nationalities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 stereotyping is a terrible thing. Da. I have this on good authority: "I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear." - Barack Obama So can we deduce from POTUS Obama's statement that positive stereotypes are a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcharanan Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I must say I like to visit Nong Nuch for the full on sex available there!! Ahh yes......nothing like sex amongst the roses and carnations. I see dozens of couples at it every time I go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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