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This is a growing problem for some of the Thais too.

I have the privilege to have been living for six years as the only permanent Farang in a small community of maybe 800, dependent largely on the tourist baht. The community does very well financially as a general rule. Despite what I read in some of these forums, the Thais treat me as if I'm someone really special, and I'm humbled and thankful to have these people in my life.

Weekend visitors are Thai, but through the rest of the week, predominantly Russians. Without a single local exception, the Russians are despised for their loud, rude and cheap behaviour.

In one incident, a group of two Russian males and one female entered the restaurant of a woman-friend of mine, selected three drinks, and were told the price. They then started haranguing her with loud voices and aggressive gestures to drop her price by 10 baht for the three drinks. That's right, 10 baht was worth making a scene about.

In frustration she finally told them to go away but they didn't, and I felt the need to go over and give her some support. One Russian told me her price was too high, I told him he could either pay it, or go next door to the 7/11, save the 10 baht, and stand in the queue for 45 minutes to make the purchase.

After consideration, and without a word to her or to me, he literally threw the full money on the counter, grabbed the drinks, pushed straight past me, followed by his compatriats.

Unnecessary, inflammatory, inconsiderate and pointless. I was fuming but Fon told me it happened all the time. On relating the incident to some Thai friends that evening, several joined in with corroborating stories from that day alone.

TL

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Well he may have tagged the wrong city, but Russians have been rated the #1 worst tourist in the world.

http://www.tourisman...e_badly_abroad_

According to ATOR Analytical Service, the number of Russian tourists visiting Thailand is showing high growth with the number of Russians visiting in January high season up 48% from the previous year.

Thailand's biggest competition in the future will be the Caribbean, particularly Mexico, said Mr Clemens.

Russians are the only guys who are allowed to fly into Thailand via Uta Pao airport. Sorry, but the majority of them are part of the Mafia, most of the females are illegally here to sell their bodies to rich Thai men.

Most of them behave very badly, money solves all problems here. Free Wodka for all TV members !!!!!!!!!!!!!:jap:

Edited by sirchai

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I am originally from BKK. Have moved to live in Pattaya somewhat 10 years ago. So Pattaya is now my home.

Pattaya needs tourists. We had a lot of Russians early this year. Now more Indians.

I am Thai and I do respect different cultures.

Talking about politenes, most nationality have good and bad people. Personally, I find Russians stick to their own group. They have different manners as they were brought up that way.

They come to Pattaya to enjoy. I see them shop a lot more than other nationalities who just come here for sex.

Ones can be noisy and disrespectful. No matter they are Russian, English, German or etc... They do things that they would not dare to do in their own countries.

Wise words.

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This statement is in the OP: "Given the makeup of tourism in Pattaya, it would appear the CEO is referring to the growing number of Russian tourists coming to Thailand."

This phrase is not present in the original Bangkok Post article, in fact there is no mention of Russians in the original article.

Where does the anti Russian bias and prejudice come from???

At the end of the day, you take the Russians' money means you accept them as customers, so as service providers, you just shut up and drive. If you are a foreigner and you don't like another group of foreigners, well tough tits. So what if I don't like Russians, Chinese, Thais, English, Americans etc etc...best I leave my own personal emotional baggage at the airport when I arrived in Thailand.

Just read it now. Hmm, you're right. Not a mention of Russians at all.

But if you want to know where the bias comes from, immerse yourself in an area with a concentration of them and soon it will become clear.

TL

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Well he may have tagged the wrong city, but Russians have been rated the #1 worst tourist in the world.

http://www.tourisman...e_badly_abroad_

According to ATOR Analytical Service, the number of Russian tourists visiting Thailand is showing high growth with the number of Russians visiting in January high season up 48% from the previous year.

Thailand's biggest competition in the future will be the Caribbean, particularly Mexico, said Mr Clemens.

Russians are the only guys who are allowed to fly into Thailand via Uta Pao airport. Sorry, but the majority of them are part of the Mafia, most of the females are illegally here to sell their bodies to rich Thai men.

Most of them behave very badly, money solves all problems here. Free Wodka for all TV members !!!!!!!!!!!!!:jap:

Yeah, one more brainwashed person - bears, vodka, balalaika, Russian mafia.

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Pure and simple Russophobia. Scandinavians, particularly the Fins have always viewed Russians in a negative light, and that has nothing to do with noise or other bullshit this article is referring to.

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What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham.I must add this guy sounds a little crazy ( read a lot ) to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //???????

There are reasons your Los Angeles relatives do not want to cross the border to Mexico. They are not tourists. They would be visiting family. Corssing the border is done by car or by foot. And plates from the other side are an invitation to criminals. It can be the same in Miami or Los Angeles. If you do not remove the rental car sticker from your window or bumper, you run an increased risk of crime.

Mexicans harbor resentment for those "chicanadas" that have left the homeland for the other side. Not so much by family because of the dinero sent home regularly, but by non-family. If your relatives were to visit one of the major resort destinations, behaved themselves and used common sense, there would be little cause for concern. Sure there have been incidents, like one girl that was walking alone on the beach after midnight. You would be ill-advised to do that in Waikiki or Malibu, so why would you do it in Mexico? A little common sense goes a long way.

Mexico is light years ahead of Thailand and most other third-world countries in tourism development. It began in the early 1980s with solid research and a matching funds strategy that cooperatively enhanced their marketing resources. Officials here turn their nose up at research offered for free that the Mexicans paid $6 million to accumulate. How arrognorant. The research has already been deployed and proved successful. Officials here think Thailand is different. It's not about Thailand. It is about the customers. You are drawing from the same pool of international travelers and to be globally competitive you have to know what they want and give it to them.

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This statement is in the OP: "Given the makeup of tourism in Pattaya, it would appear the CEO is referring to the growing number of Russian tourists coming to Thailand."

This phrase is not present in the original Bangkok Post article, in fact there is no mention of Russians in the original article.

Where does the anti Russian bias and prejudice come from???

At the end of the day, you take the Russians' money means you accept them as customers, so as service providers, you just shut up and drive. If you are a foreigner and you don't like another group of foreigners, well tough tits. So what if I don't like Russians, Chinese, Thais, English, Americans etc etc...best I leave my own personal emotional baggage at the airport when I arrived in Thailand.

Just read it now. Hmm, you're right. Not a mention of Russians at all.

But if you want to know where the bias comes from, immerse yourself in an area with a concentration of them and soon it will become clear.

TL

I live near Wongamat beach and there are indeed many Russians here. To be honest, they are no worse than the English, Germans, Koreans etc that appear all over Pattaya in different concentrations. Personally, I have had more bad experiences with drunken English louts in Pattaya than with Russians. Some Russians are a bit odd, but hey who am I to judge.

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I do not think that Mr. CEO of TUI NORDIC is much interested in "how noisy" the Soviet Union tourists (Sovok) are, rather he is much concerned about the number of rooms in allotment his administrated outbound tour companies will manage to negoziate from cheap minded hotels for chartered flights arriving in Thailand the coming winter season, and the fact that Pattaya will be sooner or later renamed something like "PATTAYAGRAD" (or similar) on geographical maps. However, in my opinion it is NOT FAIR as well as offensive, to label Pattaya as the "brothel of the world" a term that is grossly diminishing what could be easily likened to a new SODOM, and sister Patong to a new GOMORRAH. Indeed both cities are finely headed to become true Empires of Senses.

Ref.: Sodom & Gomorrah

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"At night they will think they have seen the Sun,

When they see the half-pig man.

Noise, screams battles seen fought in the skies.

The brute beasts will be heard to speak".

Nostradamus, Century I, Quatrain 64

Edited by Thailand Traveler

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Nationals of majority white, non-Slavic countries accounted for only a quarter of hotel check-ins in Chonburi Province in 2010 per TAT stats. Anyone who is harboring nostalgia for a whiter-than-white Pattaya is just setting themselves up for disappointment.

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.... to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //???????

Yes I got a laugh out of the Mexico comment also. There is a war going on there. My sister used to go to Mexico frequently from Texas but now they even avoid the road that runs along the border. So if this author is so far off in that respect than how accurate is his other info?!

As for Mexico, Cancun is still a huge tourist destination regardless of the problems in the rest of the country.

Not to mention Acapulco, Cabo San Lucas, and numerous other popular travel destinations. The border cities are to be avoided these days (Tijuana, Juarez, etc), but the beach cities further south are still super popular and largely untouched by drug violence.

Puerto Vallarta, San Jose Del Cabo, Cozumel, La Paz, Baja California, The Yucatan, etc etc. Scandis and Ruskies don't visit Mexico via car from California or Texas.

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What a crock, European tourists do not go to Pattaya to learn about the Thai culture they go for sex, if they arrive totally unaware that Pattaya is the biggest brothel in the world they pretty soon find out and have a disappointing holiday. I must add I admire the large expensive hotel chains that are moving in, but being a cynic I suspect they have their eye on the rich middle East guys rather than mum, dad, granny and the three kids from Birmingham.I must add this guy sounds a little crazy ( read a lot ) to suggest Mexico will be a rival to Thiland ref tourism, nobody dare go to Mexico because of the drug murders. I have Mexican relatives living in LA who are too afraid to cross the border to visit their own family. does this guy work for TOT //???????

Guess all you and most others ever see are the night time bar area's and sleeping (a hangover) daytime away. Yes, Pattaya probably is the biggest brothel in the world, he I love it. I live here 8 years. I am done with the brothels, but Pattaya has much more then that. Expand your knowledge and live here in Pattaya and you will see many good things and area's in and around Pattaya that are great and nice for families also.

Try and get some other friends then just the drinking bar buddies, might also help.

And yes the Russians can be very annoying, but so can many other people and cultures.

So they stick together in there area's, just like German bars and French bars. They do not speak the international Pattaya language (bad English). So what, if they do not bother me, welcome and come again.

Edited by ronthai

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I am just surprised that a scandinavian tour company is encouraging hotels to diversify their client nationalities by book only with hotels that cater exclusively to scandinavians.

Hypocritical much?

Daewoo

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