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"New applicants for work permits will now be required to provide proof of their Education Certificate (BA, BS, MA, MS, PhD) and a reference letter from the previous employer confirming employment."

As far as I know a degree has always been a requirement. At my old company there was a guy from NZ applying and being hired (this was about 3 years ago). He had to show a degree in order to get he work permit. He didnt have one so didnt get a work permit and couldnt take the job.

All jobs I have been working in in Thailand (3 different companies already) have required me to show my degree to get he work permit.

And finally, last time I got my work permit was the first time they didn't even accept my university transcript (which they have always accepted in the past), this was a couple months back (this year). They wanted to see the original degree (the real graduation paper document). This was a problem because I never picked this up when I finished university :) So I had to call to my university right inside the immigration and had somebody talk to the person at immigration to proof I have studied there. It worked out in the end but was quite scary. I was afraid it will not work. In the meantime I went back to my university and had the degree issued to me again. They were all laughing at me when they saw it took me over 7 years to pick it up since graduation :)

Anyway, just o share mu experience as I don't think the degree requirement is anything new.

I take it, it wasn't a degree in English

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It has always been the case that if you say you have a degree then you must show it but, if you don't have a Degree or lost it,edu-form.pdf or you cannot obtain a copy the you fill in the attached form and all is well.

Hope this helps

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From Sunbelt:

The Labor Department has instructed Sunbelt Asia lawyers that starting from today there are new requirements for all new applicants for work permits and also new criteria for existing work permit holders for renewals. They have issued new forms for work permit applications in several classes.

Could you point the way to the 'new criteria for WP renewals'? I have to go off for a new 12 month visa in 2 weeks.

Thanks

Rob

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It's pretty obvious that they want us here if we can 'prove our worth' so to speak but don't want us here if we can't!! Also, maybe fewer people will bother to get a work permit and this will lead to extra 'revenue' to the usual suspects when finding Aliens working without said permit!!!

Thailand, still proving to be ultra Nationalistic, inward looking and backwards, just what one should expect from a 3rd world mentality with an old elite in control. :(

Before you lament over what you call the 3rd world mentality - spend a few thoughts on how it works in any of the 1st worlds. Can anybody just come and get a work permit without proving by any means that he is qualified for the job? If you apply for a job in your home country, do you mention your degree in your resume and attach some documents to it?

Some people bash on Thailand as a 3rd world country every and each time it makes a step closer to the first world.

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ok can any one from sunbelt explain more?its crazy to start a thread and not explain all. we all now dont know?i dont have any dergrees, but run business for 20years and planning to open business here in LOS but i getting more and more fed up with all this crackdown on this and that, what a f x ck going on?

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It's pretty obvious that they want us here if we can 'prove our worth' so to speak but don't want us here if we can't!! Also, maybe fewer people will bother to get a work permit and this will lead to extra 'revenue' to the usual suspects when finding Aliens working without said permit!!!

Thailand, still proving to be ultra Nationalistic, inward looking and backwards, just what one should expect from a 3rd world mentality with an old elite in control. :(

Before you lament over what you call the 3rd world mentality - spend a few thoughts on how it works in any of the 1st worlds. Can anybody just come and get a work permit without proving by any means that he is qualified for the job? If you apply for a job in your home country, do you mention your degree in your resume and attach some documents to it?

Some people bash on Thailand as a 3rd world country every and each time it makes a step closer to the first world.

The essential difference is the opportunities provided in the west.. Not only work, but medical, housing, benefits, pensions, care.. Etc..

Please explain what drain a westerner can be on the thai social systems ??

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You know-I am a Board Certified American Orthopedic Surgeon. A member of the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons. A former Associate Professor of my specialty at Texas A&M College of Medicine. I came here not just to retire but to work as a volunteer-no salary-with Thai surgeons. I wrote the Royal College Of Thai Orthopedic Surgeons twice, asking the proper way to apply. They did not write me back. I wrote the biggest hospital in Rayong, where I live, asking if there was any interest in my helping Thai doctors. That, too, went unanswered. Then I learn I must acquire a "Work Visa" just to work as a volunteer-for NO pay.

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I did not come here to live just to drink, party, and screw the lovely ladies. But to be a contributing part of Thai life. I'll gladly try to learn the language, and respect the culture. To my mind, if you live in a country, you try to give some. But I have had nothing but trouble and resistance since I came just 3 months ago. I am strongly considering leaving and going to Mexico-where I speak the language. And at least when a Mexican f**ks you, he gives you the courtesy of a reach around!

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It's pretty obvious that they want us here if we can 'prove our worth' so to speak but don't want us here if we can't!! Also, maybe fewer people will bother to get a work permit and this will lead to extra 'revenue' to the usual suspects when finding Aliens working without said permit!!!

Thailand, still proving to be ultra Nationalistic, inward looking and backwards, just what one should expect from a 3rd world mentality with an old elite in control. :(

Before you lament over what you call the 3rd world mentality - spend a few thoughts on how it works in any of the 1st worlds. Can anybody just come and get a work permit without proving by any means that he is qualified for the job? If you apply for a job in your home country, do you mention your degree in your resume and attach some documents to it?

Some people bash on Thailand as a 3rd world country every and each time it makes a step closer to the first world.

As a uk citizen i have had work permits in france, germany, switzerland, austria, I dont recall being asked for a degree in any of these countrys.

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So, now who will feed my thai wife and daughter because of I don't have a degree and if not allow to have work permit anymore?

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Not too sure what all the fuss is about, seems very reasonable to me; unless you are one of the people who suspect their cover is now going to be 'blown'.

I do wonder how many of those retiring here have done so because their pension 'buys' more in Thailand whilst in their own country, they would be visiting the nearest soup kitchen! Why after all should Thailand and other countries like it, should suffer the insult of multinationals who just want businesses here because their 1st-world companies & shareholders can make fatter profits here?

Maybe I'm just too cynical about the the whole situation?

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It's pretty obvious that they want us here if we can 'prove our worth' so to speak but don't want us here if we can't!! Also, maybe fewer people will bother to get a work permit and this will lead to extra 'revenue' to the usual suspects when finding Aliens working without said permit!!!

Thailand, still proving to be ultra Nationalistic, inward looking and backwards, just what one should expect from a 3rd world mentality with an old elite in control. :(

Before you lament over what you call the 3rd world mentality - spend a few thoughts on how it works in any of the 1st worlds. Can anybody just come and get a work permit without proving by any means that he is qualified for the job? If you apply for a job in your home country, do you mention your degree in your resume and attach some documents to it?

Some people bash on Thailand as a 3rd world country every and each time it makes a step closer to the first world.

The essential difference is the opportunities provided in the west.. Not only work, but medical, housing, benefits, pensions, care.. Etc..

Please explain what drain a westerner can be on the thai social systems ??

Two things: first, the "West" consists of a rich number of countries which handle the points you mention in very different ways. So there is no such thing as "in the West you get in the West you have...". Second, Thailand is not surrounded by the West or western countries, and not all rules and regulations primarily target westerners. But of course, the term foreigners includes all and therefore any rule valid for foreigners is valid for westerners and non-westerners.

Why should Thailand not have the right to ask for the qualification of people who will work in their country? After all every foreigner takes a job opportunity from a Thai. And for jobs unqualified people can do, there is really no need to hire foreigners - especially not westerners.

On the bottom line the equation is very simple. If you have a degree, you can get a job that requires a degree. If the job doesn't require a degree, Thais, even Thais with a degree, can do it for less than the westerner, or Thais without a degree can do it as well as somebody from a neighbouring country without a degree.

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This whole thing is only valid for teachers, because there are too many Johnny Nobrains coming to Thailand because they can get a job here as an English teacher.

If you have the right qualifications, you won't have any problems.

Where in the report does it say that this only valid for teachers?

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Well to me scaring the people of like this is a nice marketing way. It all depends a lot on the location where you are applying for your WP. I never had any problems and do not expect any problems.

If you want to know how it works, you must go there and find out by yourself. Just confront them. And yes sometimes you must pay but that is the way things are done here.

Same like when you want to marry in Thailand. I was advised by a legal firm in Bangkok that this is a huge procedure and very complicated and expensive and very this and very that.

I have done it myself and you know what ? It took me a 2 hours in Thailand and 30 minutes in my home country. Price of the procedure ? 250 bht. and in my home country 17.5 euro.

It all depends on where you go to apply for your documents. In Bangkok they are difficult because they just scare of the foreigners to get indeed pocket money. Have it done somewhere else outside Bangkok but go there yourself.

I am very sure that this new requirements are not even known by half of them. The guy that is doing my papers, always needs a manual beside him.

And another thing, when i was employing people at the time in Europe, you always had to give a copy of your degree and references and so on. What is the difference here ? Maybe because in the past too many applicants

have applied for something they were actually not qualified for. Some even had assistance of school principals to make false documents. Do you think that this would work in your home country ?

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A degree doesn't prove anything other than you spent 3/5 years at college. It certainly doesn't make you qualified for any job. That you need experience, and possibly post graduate certifications in your area of expertise.

I would say anyone can get a degree, including the Rasta I used to live next to, who had rotted his brain away with weed (an Open University Degree at that). Backs up my argument. In all fairness the Rasta guy is a very nice person.

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