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I would imagine "New applicants for work permits will now be required to provide proof of their Education Certificate (BA, BS, MA, MS, PhD) and a reference letter from the previous employer confirming employment." is going to be a big problem for bar and restaurant owners who don't have a university education.

No true, they all have degrees of Nana, Pattaya and Patpong Universities; with honours may I add...

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Why should Thailand not have the right to ask for the qualification of people who will work in their country? After all every foreigner takes a job opportunity from a Thai. And for jobs unqualified people can do, there is really no need to hire foreigners - especially not westerners.

On the bottom line the equation is very simple. If you have a degree, you can get a job that requires a degree. If the job doesn't require a degree, Thais, even Thais with a degree, can do it for less than the westerner, or Thais without a degree can do it as well as somebody from a neighbouring country without a degree.

However your missing the foreign direct investment, and jobs for Thais created by owner operator setups. Your talking about 'jobs' as tho its all multinational salaried workers and seem to conveniently miss the (majority) of expats who create value by starting companies and employ Thais.. Many of which neither have nor need a degree to do what they do.

That investment now cannot be legally made.

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This whole thing is only valid for teachers, because there are too many Johnny Nobrains coming to Thailand because they can get a job here as an English teacher.

If you have the right qualifications, you won't have any problems.

Well, Let's see.. I'm a certified Band Director from the States... got an BM in Music, a Master's in Music Theory, and another Masters in Music/Multimedia Technology. I teach English.... at a Thai university . Does that make me a Johnny Nobrains????

While I'm at it, my previous employer was a Farang tirade that ran off all the qualified Farang teachers from one of the international schools ( including me). Why ON EARTH would I WANT to go back to him and ask for a reference letter?

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It's pretty obvious that they want us here if we can 'prove our worth' so to speak but don't want us here if we can't!! Also, maybe fewer people will bother to get a work permit and this will lead to extra 'revenue' to the usual suspects when finding Aliens working without said permit!!!

Thailand, still proving to be ultra Nationalistic, inward looking and backwards, just what one should expect from a 3rd world mentality with an old elite in control. :(

Before you lament over what you call the 3rd world mentality - spend a few thoughts on how it works in any of the 1st worlds. Can anybody just come and get a work permit without proving by any means that he is qualified for the job? If you apply for a job in your home country, do you mention your degree in your resume and attach some documents to it?

Some people bash on Thailand as a 3rd world country every and each time it makes a step closer to the first world.

As a uk citizen i have had work permits in france, germany, switzerland, austria, I dont recall being asked for a degree in any of these countrys.

The way you write it it sounds as if in those countries work permits can be obtained like bus tickets. But as citizen of the countries you mention I can guarantee it is not. I'm tempted to mention that the fact you don't recall... is not any proof that you or your employer did not have had to submit any documents showing that you had a degree. But I don't want to get in an argument with you about this.

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I remember reading somewhere that the new Syphilis test that's going to be introduced is really a veiled test for HIV. I can't remember where I read it, maybe it was on here somewhere.

Could maybe make more sense.

While testing is Always Good [TM], why test coming employees for a disease that is very rare among people who'd apply for working permits, only transmits by very close contact and is easily curable, in primary stages with a single shot?

Keeping the DNA for a future register, maybe?

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It's pretty obvious that they want us here if we can 'prove our worth' so to speak but don't want us here if we can't!! Also, maybe fewer people will bother to get a work permit and this will lead to extra 'revenue' to the usual suspects when finding Aliens working without said permit!!!

Thailand, still proving to be ultra Nationalistic, inward looking and backwards, just what one should expect from a 3rd world mentality with an old elite in control. :(

Before you lament over what you call the 3rd world mentality - spend a few thoughts on how it works in any of the 1st worlds. Can anybody just come and get a work permit without proving by any means that he is qualified for the job? If you apply for a job in your home country, do you mention your degree in your resume and attach some documents to it?

Some people bash on Thailand as a 3rd world country every and each time it makes a step closer to the first world.

As a uk citizen i have had work permits in france, germany, switzerland, austria, I dont recall being asked for a degree in any of these countrys.

I really wish people would read what is written, there is no specific requirement for needing a degree to be issued a work permit, even the application forms attached to the original post do not talk about a degree, the only requirement is to state their highest educational level attained...:whistling:

If a certain position requires a degree/references from previous employers, then of course the deptartment of immigration/labour have the right to ask for it., as they want to see if people applying for WP's have the qualifications and experience for the job, I suspect the foundation for these new requirements is targeted at the "English teachers" who are so prevelant in Thailand..

To quote the bard.....much ado about nothing.

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Where in the report does it say that this only valid for teachers?

It doesn't, but that would be the most logical thing - of course logic is in short supply around these parts.

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I remember reading somewhere that the new Syphilis test that's going to be introduced is really a veiled test for HIV. I can't remember where I read it, maybe it was on here somewhere.

Could maybe make more sense.

While testing is Always Good [TM], why test coming employees for a disease that is very rare among people who'd apply for working permits, only transmits by very close contact and is easily curable, in primary stages with a single shot?

Keeping the DNA for a future register, maybe?

It's more sinister than that, people who are HIV+ can show up as a false positive for certain types of Syphilis.

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ok can any one from sunbelt explain more?its crazy to start a thread and not explain all. we all now dont know?i dont have any dergrees, but run business for 20years and planning to open business here in LOS but i getting more and more fed up with all this crackdown on this and that, what a f x ck going on?

well I am glad that i am not the only one thinking like this. To me it is just a way to create stress on nonsens. The real message is :" to get your WP you must go to Sunbelt as the Labor Department told us in person how it all has to go from now on, and..... only to us he".

My advice, is that if you are applying for a job and you are qualified for it, than you can prove it and that doesn't change a thing. Indeed, when there is no qualification needed than there is no need to show. The PDF file that was given by one of the members is indeed most of the time the document to fill up. And with a little talk and a smile, a lot can still be obtained. That is at least my experience in the 15 years i am here.

Thailand is as good or bad as you make it yourself. We should get ridd of the idea that here in Thailand everything is possible as that is not also possible in your own country. The good people have to pay for the bad. One should attack those bad and bad only

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I remember reading somewhere that the new Syphilis test that's going to be introduced is really a veiled test for HIV. I can't remember where I read it, maybe it was on here somewhere.

Could maybe make more sense.

While testing is Always Good [TM], why test coming employees for a disease that is very rare among people who'd apply for working permits, only transmits by very close contact and is easily curable, in primary stages with a single shot?

Keeping the DNA for a future register, maybe?

If remeber correctly many years ago when I got my first WP, you were required to undergo both a syphilis and HIV test, so it would appear these are not "new "requirements, maybe have fallen by the wayside over the years and being reintroduced.

@ UKrules....how can a syphilis test be a "veiled" HIV test...its a different testing regime completely....:rolleyes:

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If you have Syphilis you cant work?

Or do you have to leave the country, ---or you can not work but still stay in the country. Whats the difference?

They dropped the medical on the retirement visa because of this, you can come to Thailand if your sick,-- or well and can stay so whats the medical for?

We all know why,--its so they can find a problem that you can pay your way out of,--- you know,-- you've heard it before --- they look at you and shake thier head and say " I can help you"

PS --im not sick or anything.

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Nice bit of free publicity for sunbelt.

The size of the photograph required has changed.

You have always had to show your educational certificates to obtain a work permit. Even if you are the managing director in a Thai company. It's part of the paperwork. History of past employment has always been asked about. Nothing has changed as far as I can see - Apart from the size of the photo.

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I remember reading somewhere that the new Syphilis test that's going to be introduced is really a veiled test for HIV. I can't remember where I read it, maybe it was on here somewhere.

Well why don't they just make it an aids test like the do in Korea for example? Why the veil?

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Where in the report does it say that this only valid for teachers?

It doesn't, but that would be the most logical thing - of course logic is in short supply around these parts.

If it were in fact "the most logical thing" why is not mentioned in the report?

I am not the only one who would appreciate an answer to this. Have you noticed?

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Why should Thailand not have the right to ask for the qualification of people who will work in their country? After all every foreigner takes a job opportunity from a Thai. And for jobs unqualified people can do, there is really no need to hire foreigners - especially not westerners.

On the bottom line the equation is very simple. If you have a degree, you can get a job that requires a degree. If the job doesn't require a degree, Thais, even Thais with a degree, can do it for less than the westerner, or Thais without a degree can do it as well as somebody from a neighbouring country without a degree.

You obviously haven't hired, or even worked with many Thais, if you think you can make those assertions and comparisons.

I have managed Thais with Master's degrees, who couldn't find their asses with both hands AND their ass. Could they do my job? Not in this life.

Degreeism is rampant here, and like the above mentioned body part, everybody seems to have one and they all stink.

Asserting that they (Ministry of Labor) have the right to verify the foreigner's qualifications is saying that the business owner or the institution is not qualified to make that assessment. Give me a break...

Anyway, you can bet that the folie-a-deux of TV and the lawyers who spawned this thread are cashing in, at least until it is 'clarified' that this applies to teachers only, or people who only claim to be degrees.

Feh.

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