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This story undermines the reliability of post mortem investigations conducted in Thailand. The cursory post mort mortem performed at Chulangkorn hspital was never intended to be a definitive analysis. The initial post mortem was to determine if their were signs of foul play which would have necessitated a murder investigation. Unfortuately, the newspapers took it as a proper autopsy claiming an underlying cause of death for which there was no evidence. The onus was upon the family to request a full autopsy, which I doubt they would request. This is one of the reasons why foreigners develop misunderstandings. The initial news reports presented unsubstantiated conclusions. keep this in mind when there are discussions of evidence gathered in Thailand. Often the newspapers discussing the "evidence" do not fully comprehend what the evidence is.

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This story undermines the reliability of post mortem investigations conducted in Thailand. The cursory post mort mortem performed at Chulangkorn hspital was never intended to be a definitive analysis. The initial post mortem was to determine if their were signs of foul play which would have necessitated a murder investigation. Unfortuately, the newspapers took it as a proper autopsy claiming an underlying cause of death for which there was no evidence. The onus was upon the family to request a full autopsy, which I doubt they would request. This is one of the reasons why foreigners develop misunderstandings. The initial news reports presented unsubstantiated conclusions. keep this in mind when there are discussions of evidence gathered in Thailand. Often the newspapers discussing the "evidence" do not fully comprehend what the evidence is.

You are not an Aussie are you Giatrickid?

"The onus was upon the family to request a full autopsy, which I doubt they would request."

The onus is not upon the family to request a full autopsy. The State Cononer will determine that. In such a case in Australia it is a given that a full autopsy will be conducted unless the family objects on religious grounds or what ever but the Coroner has the final say if it will go ahead. There are two things in Australia, A Death Certificate and a Certificate of Death. Both very different. A death certificate can be issued by a G.P when a patient has a history, say lung cancer and dies. A certificate of death is when it is in the case of this guy and is issued after the coroner has reviewed the circunstances.

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The name of the sauna should be revealed because certain saunas are known to be gathering places for gay people engaging in certain activities. Some of these saunas from what i hear are pitch black when you walk in. (im straight)

So KRS1 why don't you list the one's you think are suspect. Sounds as though you have some knowledge?

But a very sad loss of a young life. I have a few friends into this type of sport and also seen a few lose their life's via the juice. Couldn't care if friends are gay or straight; as this young mans death appears to be from what he loved to do, shape his body.

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Babylon Sauna, as people seem to be interested. ( From a Thai friend who was there at the time. ) Lot of gossip about what was going on there - but not for repetition here.

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Babylon Sauna, as people seem to be interested. ( From a Thai friend who was there at the time. ) Lot of gossip about what was going on there - but not for repetition here.

I don't believe that.

Why would they send him to Camillian Hospital (Soi Thonglor) from Babylon Sauna (Sathorn). That's half way across the city!

Sounds like a silly rumor to me.

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The name of the sauna should be revealed because certain saunas are known to be gathering places for gay people engaging in certain activities. Some of these saunas from what i hear are pitch black when you walk in. (im straight)

So KRS1 why don't you list the one's you think are suspect. Sounds as though you have some knowledge?

But a very sad loss of a young life. I have a few friends into this type of sport and also seen a few lose their life's via the juice. Couldn't care if friends are gay or straight; as this young mans death appears to be from what he loved to do, shape his body.

This young man's death has not been shown to be connected with "juicing" in anyway and probably never will be. As soon as a guy with some muscle dies young everyone immediately jumps to the conclusion that it must be his "juicing" habits which did him in.

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This story undermines the reliability of post mortem investigations conducted in Thailand. The cursory post mort mortem performed at Chulangkorn hspital was never intended to be a definitive analysis. The initial post mortem was to determine if their were signs of foul play which would have necessitated a murder investigation. Unfortuately, the newspapers took it as a proper autopsy claiming an underlying cause of death for which there was no evidence. The onus was upon the family to request a full autopsy, which I doubt they would request. This is one of the reasons why foreigners develop misunderstandings. The initial news reports presented unsubstantiated conclusions. keep this in mind when there are discussions of evidence gathered in Thailand. Often the newspapers discussing the "evidence" do not fully comprehend what the evidence is.

You are not an Aussie are you Giatrickid?

"The onus was upon the family to request a full autopsy, which I doubt they would request."

The onus is not upon the family to request a full autopsy. The State Cononer will determine that. In such a case in Australia it is a given that a full autopsy will be conducted unless the family objects on religious grounds or what ever but the Coroner has the final say if it will go ahead. There are two things in Australia, A Death Certificate and a Certificate of Death. Both very different. A death certificate can be issued by a G.P when a patient has a history, say lung cancer and dies. A certificate of death is when it is in the case of this guy and is issued after the coroner has reviewed the circunstances.

The are two classes of postmortems; 1) Voluntary and 2) Investigative on the order of the Coroner,

1. The voluntary is often called the hospital autopsy where a body is examined as a means to unerstand the reason(s) for death. The autopsy must be requested either by hospital or family members.

2. The coronial class of autopsy you refer to is when there is a death of unknown cause or the circumstances are deemed "unnatural" such as in an accident, or as a potential victim of crime.

In this specific case the post mortem was conducted at Chulangkorn Hospital. There was no evidence of a crime. The immediate cause of death was cardiopulmonary failure. This finding is sufficient to allow the repatriation of the deceased back to Australia either in whole or cremated. Unless, there is a suspicion of a crime, the Chulangkorn report will be accepted and the Coroner will not undertake another expensive invasive procedure. Every year, Australians die outside of Australia and the bodies are sent back to Australia. The coroner does not usually undertake autopsies. In this case, I don't think a coroner is going to bother with an more extensive post mortem exam and the thousands of dollars of costs as there is no reason for one. However the amily can request the coroner to investigate. I doubt that the family will want anyone doing a complete autopsy as the results may cause embarrassment.

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Hopefully the government will launch a crackdown on these drug users

Anyone doubting the dangers should google lyle alzado

maybe a sweep of the local gyms would be a start

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"is a warning for any of you boys coming to Thailand. Thailand is a country with it all.. girls, steroids, growth hormone, it's all here and it's all cheap."

Growth hormone is not cheap its very expensive, i

It's cheap in Thailand but very expensive in Australia.

If its cheap I doubt its HGH - only a few companies make it due to its complex structure. It needs to be kept under refrigeration at all times incl. during transportation. The side affects of taking too much is only Carpal Tunnel Syndrome - because its bio-identical to the naturally occurring hormone.

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"is a warning for any of you boys coming to Thailand. Thailand is a country with it all.. girls, steroids, growth hormone, it's all here and it's all cheap."

Growth hormone is not cheap its very expensive, i

It's cheap in Thailand but very expensive in Australia.

If its cheap I doubt its HGH - only a few companies make it due to its complex structure. It needs to be kept under refrigeration at all times incl. during transportation. The side affects of taking too much is only Carpal Tunnel Syndrome - because its bio-identical to the naturally occurring hormone.

You have a lot to learn about HGH, but here is not the place.

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In an interview with him he said he did no Cardio workouts at all and suggested it wasn't required and it could cause muscles to become smaller.

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Hopefully the government will launch a crackdown on these drug users

Anyone doubting the dangers should google lyle alzado

maybe a sweep of the local gyms would be a start

Lyle Alzado died of brain cancer, and there is no medical link between Steroids and brain cancer.

Why not a crackdown on alcohol abusers. Oh, because that's deemed legal...

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In an interview with him he said he did no Cardio workouts at all and suggested it wasn't required and it could cause muscles to become smaller.

And? That's certainly not unusual with bodybuilders, or a massive percentage of the worlds population.

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You have a lot to learn about HGH, but here is not the place.

Hopefully you've learned something and thats HGH is unlikely to be the thing that killed him.

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