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Racism At Amphur In Bangkok

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Racism starts at the local hardware shop. When any dealer inflates the price for a foreigner, that is racism. My general cheerfullness and trust, perhaps naivety, was compromised when I bought a power tool at 2500baht over the recommended price. It's endemic, a product of the culture of corruption and under any light it is racist. It doesn't matter whether the issue is a marital dispute or a belt sander, the Farang is often seen as an easy target and that is racism, pure and simple.

If Thais were treated the same way in my home country, as Farangs are treated here, the court system would become clogged very quickly by the disaffected seeking recompence.

It is disheartening at times!

People are too fond of throwing the racism word at anything that happens to an expat in Thailand.

When I was a kid in Southend, England, sea-front traders would regularly up their prices when they heard the London accents of day-trippers - had 2 uncles who did it!). As they said, it was only what London traders did with tourists in the Capital.

It was not called racism then - just sharp practice in the hope of making as much profit on an article as possible!

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There was one instance when we went to the Thai police station and the "boss" there asked my wife in Thai . If I spoke Thai? I answered in Thai, yes I do. Thus was many years ago when there were fewer Farang residents that actually spoke and understood Thai. There is a saying in Thai, "Farang loo mak, mai dee"; Farang know too much, no good!

Fascinating, I speak fairly fluent Thai and in all my years of living in Thailand and overhearing thousands upon thousands of conversations in Thai, not once have I ever heard this 'saying' .

As for Forethat's experience, highly unethical and your friend would have been within his rights to ask for a higher up.

Others tell me that is a common phrase in Pattaya sois 6 through 8.

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I had a similar thing at the Amphur in Chiang Mai when I divorced recently. My wife and I agreed beforehand on a settlement- she got to keep the house and I agreed to a generous monthly amount as she looks after my son still 50% but in return I wanted full custody of our son.

When it came to the paperwork being done the woman at the Amphur spent a long time talking to my wife about if she was sure she wanted to give me custody and what it entailed. Of course she did as she saw the dollar signs and that was enough for her. Maybe fair enough that they explained that to her as being a dopey farm girl and seeing the money in front of her she might not know what it entailed but it went on a lot more than just a explanation, she was trying to convince her not to do it so in my opinion was well out of order.

It's true, they will try and help each other to get the most out of their divorces. Not sexist at all, racist.

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There was one instance when we went to the Thai police station and the "boss" there asked my wife in Thai . If I spoke Thai? I answered in Thai, yes I do. Thus was many years ago when there were fewer Farang residents that actually spoke and understood Thai. There is a saying in Thai, "Farang loo mak, mai dee"; Farang know too much, no good!

Fascinating, I speak fairly fluent Thai and in all my years of living in Thailand and overhearing thousands upon thousands of conversations in Thai, not once have I ever heard this 'saying' .

As for Forethat's experience, highly unethical and your friend would have been within his rights to ask for a higher up.

I have heard this saying too.. but only from bar girls. I usually get good comments on my (fairly limited) Thai. They like to converse with me in Thai. But once they think you speak some Thai they think you understand it all.

I meant many times bar girls don't like it that you speak Thai as it means your not fresh of the boat (plane these days). And its harder for them to make money of you.

But normal people like to converse with you in Thai.

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There was one instance when we went to the Thai police station and the "boss" there asked my wife in Thai . If I spoke Thai? I answered in Thai, yes I do. Thus was many years ago when there were fewer Farang residents that actually spoke and understood Thai. There is a saying in Thai, "Farang loo mak, mai dee"; Farang know too much, no good!

Fascinating, I speak fairly fluent Thai and in all my years of living in Thailand and overhearing thousands upon thousands of conversations in Thai, not once have I ever heard this 'saying' .

As for Forethat's experience, highly unethical and your friend would have been within his rights to ask for a higher up.

Then, as a fluent Thai speaker myself, I'd suggest 'you get out more'. I've heard it several times and when I repeat it back to them am met with embarrassed giggles.

As to your advice to ask for 'a higher up', er, yeah.

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From what I have heard it is normal for officers to try to advise wife to be sure she leaves marriage with what she is entitled. Men are expected to be the bread winners here and officials believe it is there duty to protect the woman's rights in such a case. Our neighbors wife divorced and asking nothing but small payment and use of half the house recently - amphur carefully checked retirement paperwork of husband and explained she was entitled more than she was asking and urged her to get fair share rather than just what she was asking.

Sexist perhaps but not necessarily racist.

Actually it can happen the other way too!

Last year the wife and I bought some land in Kanchanaburi, we went to the local land office to sign the transfer deeds, pay the money to the owner etc.

Then out of the blue, the land office guy stopped all procedings and explained to me in detail the ramifications of buying land in my Thai wife's name.

He went on for about 10 minutes and asked me several times if I was absolutely clear about where I stand regarding owning land and the risk of buying in my wife's name. He even sugested the option of leasing the land back off my wife on a 30 year lease that he could do on the spot if required.

So no....it is not all one way. People are people no matter what race they are. You have good ones and you have bad ones. Thailand is no exception.

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I agree with your tacit assumption that racism is marched out to the beat of political correctness drum far too often. However, in my defence I point out that where one race, in our instance caucasian, is given a stereotype and that as a result of that stereotype we are treated in a certain and particularly detrimental manner, the resultant social misdemeanour is racial discrimination.That is undeniable and only through the acceptance of such classifications can positive outcomes be sought.

Where fraud, opportunism, theft or as you prefer 'sharp practice' is committed against one's own people, that is simply dishonest and has nothing to do with racism.

Racism starts at the local hardware shop. When any dealer inflates the price for a foreigner, that is racism. My general cheerfullness and trust, perhaps naivety, was compromised when I bought a power tool at 2500baht over the recommended price. It's endemic, a product of the culture of corruption and under any light it is racist. It doesn't matter whether the issue is a marital dispute or a belt sander, the Farang is often seen as an easy target and that is racism, pure and simple.

If Thais were treated the same way in my home country, as Farangs are treated here, the court system would become clogged very quickly by the disaffected seeking recompence.

It is disheartening at times!

People are too fond of throwing the racism word at anything that happens to an expat in Thailand.

When I was a kid in Southend, England, sea-front traders would regularly up their prices when they heard the London accents of day-trippers - had 2 uncles who did it!). As they said, it was only what London traders did with tourists in the Capital.

It was not called racism then - just sharp practice in the hope of making as much profit on an article as possible!

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The Bangkok Amphur sounds like any divorce lawyer in the US :)

exactly what I was thinking ...UK, Canada or Australia included...have a young friend in UK that, even as a cuckold, still got taken to the cleaners for life... pension included!

...it's understandable that nationals favor there own against perceived errant wealthy foreigners...?

When we got married our local amphor grilled my wife as to my ability to support her...sort of like a prospective FIL ...lol

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The Bangkok Amphur sounds like any divorce lawyer in the US :)

But that is the whole point of the the bone of contension,they are not Lawyers,and have no right to take on that role,they are merely there to facilitate the end of a Marriage, legally!

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The Bangkok Amphur sounds like any divorce lawyer in the US :)

But that is the whole point of the the bone of contension,they are not Lawyers,and have no right to take on that role,they are merely there to facilitate the end of a Marriage, legally!

How can a expat assume to know the "role" of any Thai official?

In the absence of a lawyer(s)sounds like they were being helpful with advice to a potentially naive Thai citizen. The expat is probably lucky that his spouse did not get advice from the Amphur,friends or family to get a lawyer...would a been a lot of screaming then I suspect.

I fail to see what all the shouting of 'isms is about? Bordering on Paranoia methinks....

Consider a scenario where it was maybe your sister or close friend getting a divorce from say a potentially well heeled Arab or ...??

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The Bangkok Amphur sounds like any divorce lawyer in the US :)

But that is the whole point of the the bone of contension,they are not Lawyers,and have no right to take on that role,they are merely there to facilitate the end of a Marriage, legally!

How can a expat assume to know the "role" of any Thai official?

In the absence of a lawyer(s)sounds like they were being helpful with advice to a potentially naive Thai citizen. The expat is probably lucky that his spouse did not get advice from the Amphur,friends or family to get a lawyer...would a been a lot of screaming then I suspect.

I fail to see what all the shouting of 'isms is about? Bordering on Paranoia methinks....

Consider a scenario where it was maybe your sister or close friend getting a divorce from say a potentially well heeled Arab or ...??

+1

It is part of their duty to make sure the person knows what their rights are and what they are doing before they do the deed.

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There is a saying in Thai, "Farang loo mak, mai dee"; Farang know too much, no good!

No there isn't. Firstly, this sounds like a sentence strung together by someone learning Thai, rather than a native speaker. Secondly, if you search Google for "ฝรั่งรู้มากไม่ดี" you get precisely 7 hits. Not one of those hits is for a page in Thai.

Google search at http://www.google.co...iw=1440&bih=754

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