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I'm not a fan of this government at all, but in all fairness, I doubt the Democrats would have been too much more competent if they had been in charge.

That's a possibility, but we'll never know, will we?

THE Thai people have spoken, THE Thai people wanted 'Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts' I've been told many times. Pure coincidence that 'flood advancing on the city' under a Pheu Thai led government. Still very normal, very human, worldwide accepted: "blame the current government" <_<

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put yourself in a thai person's shoes..

you know there's lots of asian tourists in australia.. but until you meet an individual and talk to them, they are an asian tourist..

you may not know if they are japanese or korean, you don't know their name.. they are asian tourists.. and they probably hear much worse things from australians than that.. really racist things.. i embrace 'farang'.. once a thai person knows me and where i am from.. then i am not farang.. maybe i am then dang jing-jo (red kangaroo) or something .. 555

ah.. a break from the seriousness of the flooding is what i need..

take care out there.. and don't touch your face.. be careful about viruses and other contagions.

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There was a report about the floods in Thailand this morning on TV5 (French international TV), and they interviewed a couple of Thai academics who said that the floods were the result of a "human error" (the water in the upcountry reservoirs was badly managed over the past months, if i understood correctly - I can't find the right words in English), compounded by the fact that Bangkok and its surroundings (they mentioned Suvarnabhumi) were built on swampy lands... They said the rainfall this year was not exceptionally high - I don't know if this is true, those of you who are in Thailand obviously know better...

I have heard the same thing from two sources; one is Thai and the other associates with many Thais. The story goes that the dams up North are normally only filled to a certain level when the rainy season is approaching so that they will be able to contain the upcoming influx of water. This year, a newly appointed person in charge overruled those with experience and kept additional water so the farmers would have enough for their rice farms. So when the typhoons hit and the water came down the rivers, the dams were too full already and they had to let water out or risk loss of the dam and a major problem. I have thrown this out to see if there is anyone who can corroborate from reliable sources. If this is true, then there is certainly blame that is warranted. If not, then it is just another rumor to fill the time while waiting for any concrete news.

Makes sense as apparently rainfall was approximately 20 percent greater than normal and not double or triple.

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There are. All people are either Thai or Farang. :D

I went to the hospital Saturday and on the form (I hadn't seen it this starkly before) they had one section for "nationality" and one for "race" - both had checkboxes for only "THAI" or "OTHER _____________" which made me chuckle. Hardly proof of some grand agenda, just a humorous bureaucratic interpretation.

According to qualtrough,it should have stated "THAI" or "FARANG___________________" :rolleyes: to be more exact!

How many times? It is not the word for foreigner, but for Westerner. Chinese, Arabs, Indians, Blacks etc are NOT farang. Learn some Thai.

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'.. i embrace 'farang'.. once a thai person knows me and where i am from.. then i am not farang.. maybe i am then dang jing-jo (red kangaroo) or something .. 555

I hate to break it to you, but no matter how well you get to know the locals, how much at home you feel here, you will always be a farang. It may translate as 'a foreigner', but what it means is 'not one of us'

and sadly, you will never be a kangaroo, red or not.

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\QUOTE: dangman: 'go to your nearest temple and meditate on it.. it isn't offensive.. it's just a word for the people from overseas, dude.' \END QUOTE

true, the term 'farang' isn't offensive per se, however, it is is ALWAYS used as a division between us and Thais. No matter how well u integrate, u shall always remain just a farang, never a Thai

on topic: will Sala Daeng flood? 3 days from now? 4?

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It is sad to hear that Bangkok is flooded for so many days already.

I do hope that the flood will be over soon.

As for the Thai government, I think that they have done quite a good job to minimize the effect, but the flood is too bad.

I don't think that any farang country can do any better if the flood (at the same intensity) hits their country.

Indra while I believe you are right in that their is not much one can do with nature specifically the huge amount of water that is involved here I don't agree that the Thai government has done a good job. A governments job is to manage and management needs clear and defined leadership. This has not happened in fact we have had nothing but division and indecisiveness here with authorities. Two groups BMA and FROC who wont co-ordinate and as i see yesterday in THe Nation wont even talk.

I can cite you no better example of mismanagement and squandering of resources and precious time that the fact that FROC had to relocate its headquarters due to the flooding. Add into that the farce re the EM balls and fact that some three months ago this was known about... this was the time then to be repairing sluice gates and dredging canals. Even the United Nations has now become critical of Thailand's handling of this whole situtaion. Flood control experts were flown in and guess what .. they sat idle in their hotel rooms as nobody could decide if they were working for BMA or FROC.. they left disgusted after two weeks and the relevant authorities are still arguing about who is going to pay for them.

I dont expect governments to be experts on all things BUT I expect governments to have the management ability to provide clear and unfettered direction and management and establish true lines of authority. I expect governments to act on the basis of the greater good and NOT be swayed by political or fiscal intent.

As a Bangkokian I am very sad at the plight that the government through inactivity, parochial leanings and sheer incompetence has beset upon this nation.

A I have posted before my main fear now is that this develops into a humanitarian crisis with the filthy water that people have to live in.

Personally if I was the Thai government I would ask the Singaporean water management folks to come in and manage operations.. they have dealt with floods for years and make decisions not based on regional or political leanings but on the basis of the country's greater good.

Unfortunately the tone of dialogue now appearing in the press is of everyone accusing everyone else......this will only compound the chaos and inflict more pain and suffering on both the Thai populace and the country as a whole.

No one should be under any doubt that this was known about three months ago.... this is not a flash flood..... dams and other stoarge facilities at that stage should have been drained and work as mentioned started on canals and sluice/ control gates.

Yingluck.. for God' sake girl, lift up your skirts and start kicking some butt.. get a clear line of authority in place. Invite in the UN and others to help, show neither favour nor prejudice rather act on the principle of the greater good.

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"Please don't destroy Big Bag or other flood barriers." This is a qoute from BP. The government has named the flood wall. Hilarious!!

If you would care to check you would know they have been placing big bags which can hold about 1 ton of sand so the statement is exactly what it says & not hilarious at all.

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Leadership qualities among politicians - are bereft in Thailand.

The current elected leader is rather ineffective. Before her, Abhisit showed that he too was rather ineffective, when it came to dealing with downtown Bkk being commandeered for 2 months. Of the two proxy PM's before him, one was a blustering buffoon and the other was a hand-wringing wimp. Before the coup, we had a leader who was overly aggressive - who would dictate how everyone should interpret news stories before there were any investigations. Thaksin was so busy giving imperatives, that he had no time to listen to alternative opinions on matters of concern. If he played in a dance band, he would be blowing his trumpet all the time, without listening to what any other band members were doing.

I have some suggestions on how Thailand might nurture leadership qualities in its younger generations (the older crowd are too far gone to be remedied), but it's too much to articulate here.

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With all respect for every ones opinion about the handling from the government , i would remind us all about that big "'world leading :whistling: " country .... how they handled the flooding at New Orleans ...., things on the sideline looks always so simplel. to do .......:jap:

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With all respect for every ones opinion about the handling from the government , i would remind us all about that big "'world leading :whistling: " country .... how they handled the flooding at New Orleans ...., things on the sideline looks always so simplel. to do .......:jap:

What's your point? I see this so often, and it's a weak point every time. How much time did the US gov't have to prepare between the time it hit and the calamity? Also, was the US able to muster a very robust and proper health response? Also, were there constant mixed messages about what was occurring? Also, were there public fighting among elected officials hampering the relief effort, and if so how quickly was it resolved? Also, was there a huge man made component to the NE flooding? Also, has there been a through review of the events (made public) and the resulting learning from past mistakes?

As long as countries are comprised of people, none will be perfect, but what a weak, ill informed opinion it is to compare in the way you have the NE floods with those in Thailand currently.

Can you elaborate on your points?

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With all respect for every ones opinion about the handling from the government , i would remind us all about that big "'world leading :whistling: " country .... how they handled the flooding at New Orleans ...., things on the sideline looks always so simplel. to do .......:jap:

Yes, you're right...the US did a horrible job that time. But you are comparing an unpredictable flood situation with a long term, annual flooding situation. Not comparable.

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rkidlad-A farang country would cover those countries in which farangs constitute a majority, e.g. all Europe USA, Canada, NZ, Oz, etc. How could someone posting on a forum devoted to Thailand not know that??

That was my reaction also qualthrough... how could someone achieve 331 posts on TV without figuring that out?

I don't want to be able to figure it out because it's illogical and down right offensive to anyone who's actually proud of where they're from. 'Farang country' is a country where the majority of people are white? We're white and we're all the same. Is this how you and the other guy think?

You remind me of a girl in my office who advised the other girl's working there to belittle themselves and flirt with the boss. You've got to get in good with the boss. Even if it does cost you your pride.

There's one born every minute. Think we should change that to 'there's one that flies in every minute'

Next thing you'll tell me this government has done a good job handling the floods.

It doesn't matter what I think. It matters more about what the Thai people think, and we aren't about to change them any time soon. Get used to it.

Being called a farang doesn't bother me. If it bothers / insults you so much, maybe you should move to Singapore where you can be an Angmoh, to Malaysia where you can be a Quielo, or Japan where you can be a Gaijin. Failing any of those, instead of flying in to a foreign country I suggest you "fly out" back to your country where white people like you are the majority and can call foreigners all sorts of names.

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<br />With all respect for every ones opinion about the handling from the government , i would remind us all about that big "'world leading <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' /> " country .... how they handled  the flooding at New Orleans ...., things on the sideline looks always so simplel. to do .......<img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/jap.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':jap:' /><br />
<br /><br />What's your point?  I see this so often, and it's a weak point every time.  How much time did the US gov't have to prepare between the time it hit and the calamity?  Also, was the US able to muster a very robust and proper health response?  Also, were there constant mixed messages about what was occurring?  Also, were there public fighting among elected officials hampering the relief effort, and if so how quickly was it resolved?  Also, was there a huge man made component to the NE flooding?  Also, has there been a through review of the events (made public) and the resulting learning from past mistakes?<br /><br />As long as countries are comprised of people, none will be perfect, but what a weak, ill informed opinion it is to compare in the way you have the NE floods with those in Thailand currently.  <br /><br />Can you elaborate on your points?<br />
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Please don't -- note the topic -- a lot of people come here for up-to-date info on what is actually happening on the ground around Bangkok. We don't want to have to wade through pointless discussions on personal opinions to get to see if the flood is approaching our soi......

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Personally if I was the Thai government I would ask the Singaporean water management folks to come in and manage operations.

Why stop at just water management? How about everything else as well?

And manage the Philippines too. :)

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<br />With all respect for every ones opinion about the handling from the government , i would remind us all about that big "'world leading <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' /> " country .... how they handled the flooding at New Orleans ...., things on the sideline looks always so simplel. to do .......<img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/jap.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':jap:' /><br />
<br /><br />What's your point? I see this so often, and it's a weak point every time. How much time did the US gov't have to prepare between the time it hit and the calamity? Also, was the US able to muster a very robust and proper health response? Also, were there constant mixed messages about what was occurring? Also, were there public fighting among elected officials hampering the relief effort, and if so how quickly was it resolved? Also, was there a huge man made component to the NE flooding? Also, has there been a through review of the events (made public) and the resulting learning from past mistakes?<br /><br />As long as countries are comprised of people, none will be perfect, but what a weak, ill informed opinion it is to compare in the way you have the NE floods with those in Thailand currently. <br /><br />Can you elaborate on your points?<br />
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Please don't -- note the topic -- a lot of people come here for up-to-date info on what is actually happening on the ground around Bangkok. We don't want to have to wade through pointless discussions on personal opinions to get to see if the flood is approaching our soi......

Good point. It is easy to get off topic.

Back on topic, a friend of mine just left Bangkok after his employer finally allowed him to leave now that his area is thoroughly flooded. Saphan Kwai.

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Yingluck.. for God' sake girl, lift up your skirts and start kicking some butt.. get a clear line of authority in place. Invite in the UN and others to help, show neither favour nor prejudice rather act on the principle of the greater good.

Great comment and a much needed action. However Brother No.1 won't allow it nor will the oriental face saving psyche allow it either.

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There was a report about the floods in Thailand this morning on TV5 (French international TV), and they interviewed a couple of Thai academics who said that the floods were the result of a "human error" (the water in the upcountry reservoirs was badly managed over the past months, if i understood correctly - I can't find the right words in English), compounded by the fact that Bangkok and its surroundings (they mentioned Suvarnabhumi) were built on swampy lands... They said the rainfall this year was not exceptionally high - I don't know if this is true, those of you who are in Thailand obviously know better...

I have heard the same thing from two sources; one is Thai and the other associates with many Thais. The story goes that the dams up North are normally only filled to a certain level when the rainy season is approaching so that they will be able to contain the upcoming influx of water. This year, a newly appointed person in charge overruled those with experience and kept additional water so the farmers would have enough for their rice farms. So when the typhoons hit and the water came down the rivers, the dams were too full already and they had to let water out or risk loss of the dam and a major problem. I have thrown this out to see if there is anyone who can corroborate from reliable sources. If this is true, then there is certainly blame that is warranted. If not, then it is just another rumor to fill the time while waiting for any concrete news.

They (the water authorities) did this way many times already. In 2006 they did the same thing. I don't know which government ruled. Good luck saved Thailand that year. No heavy rainfall had occured. But they can't rely on a series of good lucks to survive major floods. In 2011, although the rainfall density is exceptionally higher above the average, the flood intensity could have been lower if all major dams in the north were well prepared. Their levels shall be regulated to have sufficient reserve margins based on the the anticipated floods sizes just before the monsoon.

They can't do this this way, i.e. allowing the reservoirs to be fully filled up before the monsoon is over. It doesn't really matter in whose name.

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There was a report about the floods in Thailand this morning on TV5 (French international TV), and they interviewed a couple of Thai academics who said that the floods were the result of a "human error" (the water in the upcountry reservoirs was badly managed over the past months, if i understood correctly - I can't find the right words in English), compounded by the fact that Bangkok and its surroundings (they mentioned Suvarnabhumi) were built on swampy lands... They said the rainfall this year was not exceptionally high - I don't know if this is true, those of you who are in Thailand obviously know better...

I have heard the same thing from two sources; one is Thai and the other associates with many Thais. The story goes that the dams up North are normally only filled to a certain level when the rainy season is approaching so that they will be able to contain the upcoming influx of water. This year, a newly appointed person in charge overruled those with experience and kept additional water so the farmers would have enough for their rice farms. So when the typhoons hit and the water came down the rivers, the dams were too full already and they had to let water out or risk loss of the dam and a major problem. I have thrown this out to see if there is anyone who can corroborate from reliable sources. If this is true, then there is certainly blame that is warranted. If not, then it is just another rumor to fill the time while waiting for any concrete news.

They (the water authorities) did this way many times already. In 2006 they did the same thing. I don't know which government ruled. Good luck saved Thailand that year. No heavy rainfall had occured. But they can't rely on a series of good lucks to survive major floods. In 2011, although the rainfall density is exceptionally higher above the average, the flood intensity could have been lower if all major dams in the north were well prepared. Their levels shall be regulated to have sufficient reserve margins based on the the anticipated floods sizes just before the monsoon.

They can't do this this way, i.e. allowing the reservoirs to be fully filled up before the monsoon is over. It doesn't really matter in whose name.

If I am right is that the year they deliberately temporarily flooded north of Ayuttaya to save Bangkok and gave some pretty pitiful compensation to the farmers? What is the definition of insanity?

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<br />With all respect for every ones opinion about the handling from the government , i would remind us all about that big "'world leading <img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':whistling:' /> " country .... how they handled the flooding at New Orleans ...., things on the sideline looks always so simplel. to do .......<img src='http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/jap.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':jap:' /><br />
<br /><br />What's your point? I see this so often, and it's a weak point every time. How much time did the US gov't have to prepare between the time it hit and the calamity? Also, was the US able to muster a very robust and proper health response? Also, were there constant mixed messages about what was occurring? Also, were there public fighting among elected officials hampering the relief effort, and if so how quickly was it resolved? Also, was there a huge man made component to the NE flooding? Also, has there been a through review of the events (made public) and the resulting learning from past mistakes?<br /><br />As long as countries are comprised of people, none will be perfect, but what a weak, ill informed opinion it is to compare in the way you have the NE floods with those in Thailand currently. <br /><br />Can you elaborate on your points?<br />
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Please don't -- note the topic -- a lot of people come here for up-to-date info on what is actually happening on the ground around Bangkok. We don't want to have to wade through pointless discussions on personal opinions to get to see if the flood is approaching our soi......

Good point. It is easy to get off topic.

Back on topic, a friend of mine just left Bangkok after his employer finally allowed him to leave now that his area is thoroughly flooded. Saphan Kwai.

Thanks -

Just as a reminder - the traffic CCTV cams are here :-

http://hermes.traffy.in.th/i/showpics.php?cctvid=381

Good to see the real situation - they haven't worked out a way to censor them yet :lol:

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There was a report about the floods in Thailand this morning on TV5 (French international TV), and they interviewed a couple of Thai academics who said that the floods were the result of a "human error" (the water in the upcountry reservoirs was badly managed over the past months, if i understood correctly - I can't find the right words in English), compounded by the fact that Bangkok and its surroundings (they mentioned Suvarnabhumi) were built on swampy lands... They said the rainfall this year was not exceptionally high - I don't know if this is true, those of you who are in Thailand obviously know better...

I have heard the same thing from two sources; one is Thai and the other associates with many Thais. The story goes that the dams up North are normally only filled to a certain level when the rainy season is approaching so that they will be able to contain the upcoming influx of water. This year, a newly appointed person in charge overruled those with experience and kept additional water so the farmers would have enough for their rice farms. So when the typhoons hit and the water came down the rivers, the dams were too full already and they had to let water out or risk loss of the dam and a major problem. I have thrown this out to see if there is anyone who can corroborate from reliable sources. If this is true, then there is certainly blame that is warranted. If not, then it is just another rumor to fill the time while waiting for any concrete news.

See a series of articles on this topic here: Click This

I think BP has a fair reporting. I share his conclusion that the flood is exceptionally big but poor water management makes the floods turn worse. I wish to add another factor. AS few dams such as Bhumibol and Sirkit were not so well designed when it comes to flood control.

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With all respect for every ones opinion about the handling from the government , i would remind us all about that big "'world leading :whistling: " country .... how they handled the flooding at New Orleans ...., things on the sideline looks always so simplel. to do .......:jap:

What's your point? I see this so often, and it's a weak point every time. How much time did the US gov't have to prepare between the time it hit and the calamity? Also, was the US able to muster a very robust and proper health response? Also, were there constant mixed messages about what was occurring? Also, were there public fighting among elected officials hampering the relief effort, and if so how quickly was it resolved? Also, was there a huge man made component to the NE flooding? Also, has there been a through review of the events (made public) and the resulting learning from past mistakes?

As long as countries are comprised of people, none will be perfect, but what a weak, ill informed opinion it is to compare in the way you have the NE floods with those in Thailand currently.

Can you elaborate on your points?

my point is written in the end : "it is easy to comment from the sideline "

you can use it also for the New Orleans flood, but keep also in perspective Thailand is not a country on the same level as the USA , and comparing the differences would only make you more agitated

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With all respect for every ones opinion about the handling from the government , i would remind us all about that big "'world leading :whistling: " country .... how they handled the flooding at New Orleans ...., things on the sideline looks always so simplel. to do .......:jap:

Yes, you're right...the US did a horrible job that time. But you are comparing an unpredictable flood situation with a long term, annual flooding situation. Not comparable.

i am refering to the "horrible job" special , because of the immence capacity of technology who is / was , present in the USA .....

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Floodwaters near PM's home in Soi Yothinpattana 3; BTS Skytrain, MRT underground services operating normally /MCOT

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PLEASE can we get real -- MRT has not been "operating normally" for some days with many stations having several entrances closed. The trains might be running, but it sometimes not easy at all to find a way in...:annoyed:

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Yingluck.. for God' sake girl, lift up your skirts and start kicking some butt.. get a clear line of authority in place. Invite in the UN and others to help, show neither favour nor prejudice rather act on the principle of the greater good.

Great comment and a much needed action. However Brother No.1 won't allow it nor will the oriental face saving psyche allow it either.

The UN is already present. Unicef is distributing aid packages.The IRC has feeding programs in place. Various western NGOs are at work. Because you do not acknowledge their presence does not mean they are not there. There are people from Japan, Australia, USA, Israel and now Germany and the Netherlands working hard.. Many aid organizations intentionally keep a low profile and do not wave flags or shout that they are in a disaster zone out of respect for local sensitivities.. Aid should be given in a manner that allows the receipient to maintain his/her dignity. However, the fundamental characteristic of the floods to date is that there isn't much that any foreign aid group can do. At this time, there is no medical crisis, although the potential is there. That's why WHO is working on getting the vaccines and medications into the pipeline. There are no people starving. The numbers of displaced people are being managed by the Thai government. Just what is it that you want the UN and others to help with? Sandbagging? Building flood barriers? The MOI and army has that as under control as it is going to be.

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i just read 'farang' as 'foreign' .. which is what it means .. i think you're a bit too sensitive.

if there were people from overseas (ie. foreigners) staying in australia talking on the 'ozzievisa' forum or whatever about how the floods there were being handled badly by the australian government and an australian came on and said 'i don't think a foreign government would do any better'.. would you freak out about the using of the word foreign?

is it just being called a farang? you better get over that.. go to your nearest temple and meditate on it.. it isn't offensive.. it's just a word for the people from overseas, dude.

My Thai friends separate foreigners into categories - Farang (Caucasian), Arab ( a sort of unknown quantity to them), African, Indian and then other South East Asians by nationality. A pretty crude division but good enough for them.

I've got used to being a farang over the last 30 years. Let's face it, we'll never be anything else.

Despite being stupid, uneducated, unhygienic, unaware, etc, the farang still has a certain status - possibly because we are more easily separated from our money than the other categories.

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As for the subject in hand, I live near Major Ratchayothin, and as of yesterday, it was still completely flooded in that area. It has been like this since Thursday morning when I left. I went yesterday (Sunday) and it was just bad on my soi. There's no signs of any relief from the water. The Klong on the left as you head towards Din Daeng was bursting its banks and beginning to creep on to the road.

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With all respect for every ones opinion about the handling from the government , i would remind us all about that big "'world leading :whistling: " country .... how they handled the flooding at New Orleans ...., things on the sideline looks always so simplel. to do .......:jap:

Yes, you're right...the US did a horrible job that time. But you are comparing an unpredictable flood situation with a long term, annual flooding situation. Not comparable.

Actually, flooding of New Orleans is fairly predictable - not in term s of exactly when, but in terms of if (same with Thailand - its GONNA happen, just not sure which years).

Long term, New Orleans is out of luck, without disprportionate amounts of capital expenditures to save it. Ever been to New Orleans? Its not worth saving.

Like much of Bangkok, New Orleans should never have been built on.

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It is sad to hear that Bangkok is flooded for so many days already.

I do hope that the flood will be over soon.

As for the Thai government, I think that they have done quite a good job to minimize the effect, but the flood is too bad.

I don't think that any farang country can do any better if the flood (at the same intensity) hits their country.

You are dreaming.

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Actually, flooding of New Orleans is fairly predictable - not in term s of exactly when, but in terms of if (same with Thailand - its GONNA happen, just not sure which years).

Long term, New Orleans is out of luck, without disprportionate amounts of capital expenditures to save it. Ever been to New Orleans? Its not worth saving.

Like much of Bangkok, New Orleans should never have been built on.

Every year there are monsoon rains which lead to some degree of flooding along the Chao Phyra River.

There is also annual flooding along parts of the Mississippi River after snow melt.

However, a flood related to a hurricane is not predictable. Hurricanes that struck the US within 60 miles of New Orleans happened in 1872,1877,1879,1885,1887,1888,1889,1890,1892,1893,1895,1897, 1901,1906,1909,1911,1912,1914,1915,1916,1920,1923,1923,1926, 1932,1934,1936,1944,1947,1948,1949,1955,1956,1957,1960, 1964,1965,1969,1974,1977,1979,1985,1985,1988,1998,1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2008, 2009. In other words,

61 times in 139 years. Some times there were multiple hurricanes in one year, sometimes they were as much as 5 or 6 years apart. That's nowhere near as predictable as the monsoon rains and some degree of flooding in Thailand.

But, I do agree that cities such as Bangkok and New Orleans are prone to flooding and that won't change.

But saying the cities should not have been build there...well that depends on your perspective. From a geologic/hydrologic perspective -- no. From a trade perspective -- yes.

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