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For some reason, I don't think 3 years, 1 month, and 2 and a bit weeks is long enough to solve the English language problems!

You reap what you sow. This ASEAN AEC is going to cause big problems for Thailand.

This may shed so light on the problem with (OrBorJor) or provincially run schools.

(First I will say the school I was allocated to by the province was lovely the director was great so were the staff and most of the teachers.)

6 teachers were employed by a North Eastern Province last May recruited by the head of English at a well know school for the province, we were promised 30K baht + 3K accommodation, 12 month contract renewable. Visa and work permit paid for.

Ok after a month we were asking when do we do the visas, when are we signing the contract?

6 weeks later we were all asked to sign the contract at a sports day cameras there etc.

The contract 3 months, 24K visa and work permit we had to pay for.

One guy went on a visa run for his B visa was refused by the consulate and he had to pay for this a second went again refused.

The schools said could they do it as the teachers who were old hands knew what was needed; the schools were refused by the province as it was there job. (But were totally useless at it)

Now a neighboring province in the North East is trying the same thing.

Paul.

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The most useful move that the education system could make would be to Romanise the Thai alphabet, this is the biggest obstacle to learning English, and conversely for foreigners learning Thai. Just look at how Turkey emerged from the Middle Ages when it converted from Arabic to Roman.

As to unqualified but native speakers, these can do an adequate job if the department also contains enough qualified and experienced teachers to provide guidance. At the moment it is often the one eyed leading the blind.

I'm not a fan of the romanization at all. Even though it occurred for several south-east asian languages (Vietnamese and Malay come to mind), I believe it permanently alters and distort the language. It also smells vaguely colonial...

At least, Thais are fortunate enough to have an alphabet, unlike Chinese.

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If the schools down there are only offering 'backpacker' salaries as someone stated, then that's surely all that they can hope to attract in the way of quality teaching...Who and where does the funding come from for the teaching positions anyway?Is it at an individual school admin' level or is the funding fom the local education authority?If the schools aren't serious they can not hope to fill positions with quality teachers going down this path!!

are you suggesting backpackers don't make good teachers?

They usually have or will have degrees and come form an educated background.....more than you can say for the comments on both the article and this thread.

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as far as I can see this has nothing to do with hiring foreigners to teach English, it is solely concerned with hiring Thai teachers?

did u read the first sentence in this article?

"The Phuket Primary Education Area Office has relaxed the requirements for foreigners to be hired as English-language teachers at government schools in Phuket."

Else:

And of course there are English professionals out there without a degree but a good ability to teach. As well as there are qualified ones with degree who aren't worth a single satang...

There are also those of us who have gained the Cambridge University English Teaching Certificate, (TEFLA) have been teaching in Asian countries for some years, but are excluded as we don't hold any kind of degree - it can be in Agriculture, Dentistry or anything, as long as you hold a degree. Technical qualifications are not included.

Also, Thailand is one of the few countries, if not THE ONLY country which does not assist with a visa, air fare, accommodation. You pay your own way every step.

Indonesia pays for everything, China often provides meals on site.

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If Thailand cannot overcome their "superiority" attitude, and fear of "loss of face" by asking a foreigner to help, and are willing to pay for it, they are never going to get good, qualified English Teachers here.

But isn't that just what they did? They offered you a job and were willing to pay for it. In stead you choose to moan here about the lack of quality of the school and that they are not willing to hire foreigners.

Do something about it, you had the chance but refused.

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Great, we'll therefore see yet another bunch of cheap "English teachers" with no real teaching accreditation and who will not care about teaching properly (just have fun, fun, fun). Yeay.

What is your solution to the problem?

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If Thailand cannot overcome their "superiority" attitude, and fear of "loss of face" by asking a foreigner to help, and are willing to pay for it, they are never going to get good, qualified English Teachers here.

But isn't that just what they did? They offered you a job and were willing to pay for it. In stead you choose to moan here about the lack of quality of the school and that they are not willing to hire foreigners.

Do something about it, you had the chance but refused.

You're totally missing the point, which is that their so-called "education system" is not educating at all, and no one can change that. Even the head of the English Department said they HAVE to do things the way the SCHOOL tells them. I refuse to be a part of a system that does not actually TEACH, but only forces rote memorization. Nor did I say THAT particular school was unwilling to hire foreigners, but speaking of the Thai education system as a whole. By your comments, I can see that reading comprehension is not one of your stronger skills. Not unlike quite a few Thai I know who can read English, but have no idea of what the words actually mean.

:jap:

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Einstein had a PhD in Mathematics and Physics, but couldn't spell.

His wife wrote all of his papers before he landed in America.

I also can't understand why some people think the back packers are not qualified.

Evidently there is not enough teachers period, qualified or otherwise.

Long story short, this is a useless thread.

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A lot of this has to do with the wages. I know a guy that teaches at Uni level and get less than 30K a month. But a lot of it has to do with location... we have an ELS and we're offering 60K a month... but when you say it's in Surin they're not interested. Still needing two TESOL teachers...

Hi, I'm a highly qualified teacher, currently working at Singapore American School, and looking to transfer to Thailand. I'm interested in hearing more about this position..

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If the schools down there are only offering 'backpacker' salaries as someone stated, then that's surely all that they can hope to attract in the way of quality teaching...Who and where does the funding come from for the teaching positions anyway?Is it at an individual school admin' level or is the funding fom the local education authority?If the schools aren't serious they can not hope to fill positions with quality teachers going down this path!!

are you suggesting backpackers don't make good teachers?

They usually have or will have degrees and come form an educated background.....more than you can say for the comments on both the article and this thread.

Where do these backpackers come FORM? :(

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TEFL and all that; been there done that. Anyone who says teaching your own mother tongue is difficult or requires some form of 'special' expertise is pulling the wool. Teaching in Thailand is probably the most demotivating job I have ever done. Do Thais really want to learn about the outside world? :ph34r:

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The most useful move that the education system could make would be to Romanise the Thai alphabet, this is the biggest obstacle to learning English, and conversely for foreigners learning Thai. Just look at how Turkey emerged from the Middle Ages when it converted from Arabic to Roman.

As to unqualified but native speakers, these can do an adequate job if the department also contains enough qualified and experienced teachers to provide guidance. At the moment it is often the one eyed leading the blind.

I'm not a fan of the romanization at all. Even though it occurred for several south-east asian languages (Vietnamese and Malay come to mind), I believe it permanently alters and distort the language. It also smells vaguely colonial...

At least, Thais are fortunate enough to have an alphabet, unlike Chinese.

I know several Thais who because they grew up in the West are fluent in both English and Thai, they use English when chatting by Internet, it is faster and more concise. The same goes for my Filipino and Malay friends. Additionally, to study any science at an advanced level English is essential, particularly at the citation level. There is no reason why both alphabets cannot coexist, but with a standardised transliteration rather than the present rather random one.

Hebrew is a dead language which was revived, as is Welsh and Gaelic, the Thai alphabet can do the same, but ASEAN is by default adopting English as the common language.

Any living language evolves (call it distortion if you wish), there are already hundreds of English words in the Thai language, so it is already distorted.

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Nice that you can wear jeans and t shirt for teaching (as in this photo)

It would probably make the job more attractive to backpackers and young travellers wanting to make some extra income if you could dress casually.

Who wants to be ironing shits for 30k a month salary

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