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Kilgore Trout. Charles Dickens didn"t have a degree in English literature, does that mean he couldn"t write? Not being a qualified English teacher obviously means there are many areas of teaching and child psychology which I don"t understand. As Skybluestu pointed out I was employed as an EFL teacher. Having done a tefl course and a Thai language course I was perfectly qualified at the time.

I will stick to my point; if you are not qualified to get a work permit then you shouldn't complain about not being granted one.

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Quote edited to remove flame and a now irrelevant comment removed.

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Apologies Aidenai,

Scrolling through quickly I incorrectly read your name for another member who without wanting to resort to the same pathetic and unhelpful comments I mistook for you.

Hopefully as already stated, someone else with something positive will comment. There seems very little information at present probably due to all schools who may have staff in this dilemma not having even considered it. :)

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Trout - my school applied for a licence on my behalf in August 2008. I have a Master's degree in TEFL. I still haven't received it and neither has anyone else in the same batch. If for some reason immigration and the labour dept decide not to extend my visa and WP any longer, whose fault is it going to be?

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Teaching experience is very rarely taken into consideration and that is much more important than whether someone spent a few years getting drunk at university 20-30 years ago while doing a degree in Aromatherapy or Equine Management.

While there is some drinking and partying at university, that is not all that goes on while people study there. Students actually spend 3 - 4 years learning things and it is a reasonable expectation that teachers have a reasonable level of education. I don't know anyone who did a degree in "Aromatherapy or Equine Management"

The fact is that the levels of education and teaching in Thailand are dire (and are shown in international tests) and that is due to the fact that Thai teachers are not very well trained and also because they will accept any white face to teach English. This overall yields very poor results.

For the OP, you will need to get some qualifications and get on the right track in order to get qualified if you still wish to be a teacher moving into the future. Whether you like it or not, if you want to teach in a school, you need to start getting the proper pieces of paper, Failing that you can work for a private language school.

I would advise you contact the exam boards in the UK and get the books to study for the qualifications you need, You can take IGCSEs and A Levels at the British Council or at one of the international schools so that then you could do a degree with the Open University of the University of London International Programme.

I would guess you would need:

GCSE passes in English and Maths

2 A Levels at C and above

Then you can apply for a degree

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One inflammatory post has been deleted. Further personal attacks and off-topic comments will earn a suspension of posting rights for a time. Please stay on the topic.

To the OP, I am not sure what you expect posters to say. People offer you advice based on their knowledge, understanding and experience, which you don't seem to like.

If you sign up for an internet based university course or do something that shows an attempt to get legal, perhaps they will grant your 3 rd waiver. You may face the problem of needing another waiver in 2 years, however and it is my understanding they only grant 3 waivers. I believe that time-wise, we are at the point where the earliest group has used up the waivers.

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Trout - my school applied for a licence on my behalf in August 2008. I have a Master's degree in TEFL. I still haven't received it and neither has anyone else in the same batch. If for some reason immigration and the labour dept decide not to extend my visa and WP any longer, whose fault is it going to be?

When your ID doesn't give any match on here, http://www.ksp.or.th...nse_status.php? Please let your Thai colleagues have a look into this.

Thanks to everyone whose postings have been positive.

Reading through the replies of several members, I guess it's better for me to refrain from any further posts. I only tried to help other members, with concrete information opposed to thoughts, feelings and speculations, who currently are facing problems and yes, I do have a degree and yes, I sat the Thai Language, Culture and Ethics Course and yes, I passed the four sections of the TCT Professional Knowledge Tests and yes, I have a TCT teacher license.

Time to log out, now.

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I think it is good advice to get yourself onto a degree course.

FYI to get onto a degree course with the University of London:

General entrance requirements EITHER passes in:

Two subjects at GCE ‘A’ level + at least

three further subjects at GCSE or GCE ‘O’ level (at not less than grade C or a ‘pass’ if taken prior to 1975)

OR three subjects at GCE ‘A’ level (with one ‘A’ level at not less than grade D)

OR three subjects at GCE ‘A’ level + one further subject at GCSE or GCE ‘O’ level (at not less than grade C)

OR two subjects at GCE ‘A’ level + two further subjects at ‘AS’ level.

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We have a number of teachers for whom we anticipate they will be granted a waiver (they're not on the 3rd waiver yet) with on-line courses. All of them have degrees, but not in education.

I don't know what the TC will do about teachers who are pursuing an entire 4 year degree. In your case, it would probably be wise to pursue the O visa if you are caring for your child. If that's possible, it might make staying here easier than being dependent on the Teacher's License-Work Permit connection.

A lot of Universities are more lenient with regards to accepting students, I think, in regards to allowing for signing up for an on-line course(s) than they are for regular classes.

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First of all I would like to apologize for any offence my comments may have caused, I appreciate all the advive and expertize that other members have given me. Like I said, I was employed as an EFL teacher for which I have the appropriate qualification. Or did have at the time. I didn"t find Mr.Trouts comments as being advice, which was being sought-after.More of an attack on me because in his opinion without a degree I have no right to be teaching. Had this have been my first year I may well have agreed. But after 8 years it was a bit too abrupt. Again.Thanks to all .Especially Aidenal and Haltes.

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Does teaching by a foreigner in Thailand have no access to the usual 'enabler' in Thailand, namely the bung, the back-hander, the money under the table? Or has all this foreign involvement in education resulted in a field of work in Thailand that is uniquely graft-free?

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To the OP

I was in a similar situation to you so understand your worries. I however saw all this coming back in 2007ish and decided (eventually in 2010) to head on back to Aus with my wife (Thai) and son to work toward a degree.

I taught in Thailand from 2001 to 2010 without a degree. To start with it wasnt a problem even though I was aware back then that to teach legally a degree was expected. I got around all the blocks that were put in my way and ended up teaching on a Non immigrant O visa. This situation was ok for a while but then my son was born and I really started to stress out about being under the radar all the time. I enjoyed living and teaching in Thailand and got really sick of constantly worrying about the fact that I didnt have that peice of paper. I had a son and wanted to do the right thing for myself and for Thailand.

Fast forward to today and I am back here in Aus serving my sentence for my past sins living in a small country town and studying for a Bachelor degree. Its been a real journey to get back here but its all working out pretty well. I am in my last year now and hope to be back over there sometime in mid 2013.

Others may not care or worry too much about the new regs and are perhaps happy enough to try their luck, doing endless border runs, pretending to study Thai or whatever but I think eventually doors will close and not be reopened. I think if you are serious about wanting to live in Thailand for an extended period, take care of your child and use english teaching as a means to an end then you should at least make an effort to become legal. I started noticing my teaching options shrinking toward the end. I couldnt play the game anymore.

Thailand will no doubt throw other curly ones at me when I get back but having a legitimate bachelor degree will make me feel a whole hell of a lot better. You, like me have the experience but unfortunately that little piece of paper is missing.

Goodluck with whatever you decide.

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Excellent post. I"m glad that you made the right decision for you and your family. I, on the other hand have not been so selective about the decisions I"ve made. The whole point about my posts are not that I can"t except the fact that now I"m not legally excepted as being a teacher. although this should have been pointed out from the beginning, but about not wanting my daughter to be brought up in London. I"m 48 years old, so, although I"m quiet happy to study or take any exam put in front of me my level of qualifications and age will always be a hindrence. Through my own niavety I never considered starting from the beginning when these new regulations were introduced by the TCT. I remember when I was younger being told I couldn"t do a certain job because I didn"t have a degree in mathamatics. Within two years I was doing the job I had dreamt about since I was twelve. And at a standard higher than most. Considering the stress this problem is causing not only myself but others like me I still feel quite positive. Only time will tell wheather it"s misplaced positivity. My best wishes goes out to everyone currently experience the same dilemma as I am. PS. ignore the fish man!

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