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I lack any formal qualifications

I think this just about says it all.

If you want to work as a teacher in Thailand you must be qualified, the fact that you were allowed to work with out qualifications was luck on your part and now it is over.

I had been receiving free UBC for a year and a half at my condo; the other week the signal stopped. Since I had no right to the service in the first place I have no right to complain about it.

If you want to teach in Thailand, get the proper credentials.

Not having a degree in of itself for a native english speaking person teaching english is not and should not be mandatory criteria. A motivared individual can easily read books on teaching english and make lesson plans while using the book in essence learn while doing.

I consider myself a crap english teacher; why? because I have long forgotten the formal rules nor am I interested in them. Could I get a job as an english teach, most probably owing to bachelors and doctorate degrees, in unrelated fields.

Criteria for teaching english should not be based exclusively on degrees and certificates, especially in a country in dire need of language skills.

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May I ask how is a Thai Language, Culture and Ethics course pertinent/relevant to teaching english?

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atyclb # 32.

May I ask how is a Thai Language, Culture and Ethics course pertinent/relevant to teaching English?

Like a good many others here I have attended the course, It had nor as far as I can see even now no pertient link to teaching using the English language as the medium of instruction in any way shape or form whether the subject material may be, or have been maths, science, social studies or any other subject material as may be taught using English as the medium of instruction in any way shape or form.

However the instructors ego's were indeed filled to overflowing by their opportunity to inform and instruct us all about the indoctrination techniques of the Thai education system.

The dancing and the asking for food instruction section was indeed most amusing and worthy of a first rate comedy sketch on Thai T.V.

I went to the course with an open mind and willing to learn, should really have known better than that though.

Sad to say " that even after some twenty two plus years of living in a Thai centered environment andt bringing up a mixed race family (Thai and English) along with living and teaching here I learnt nothing at all, It was all about that which I and others already knew. One of our fellow female teachers a Burmese lady who has been teaching here for some thirty years and is married to a Thai also had to endure the course as well. her comments were indeed somewhat amusing to say the least."

Like one or two others we took delight in filling in some of the gaps that the ''instructors'' had in their flawed knowledge concerning their own culture along with education techniques too.

No doubt the xenophobic passion of the Thai people was or has been sated by teaching of we we ignorant foreigners all about the great Thai culture which has been filched from many other nations and cultures in the past to produce the current xenophobic outlook that we see on a daily basis.

Frankly a course on how to sell pork pies in a mosque would have been more enlightening and useful too.

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atyclb # 32.

May I ask how is a Thai Language, Culture and Ethics course pertinent/relevant to teaching English?

Like a good many others here I have attended the course, It had nor as far as I can see even now no pertient link to teaching using the English language as the medium of instruction in any way shape or form whether the subject material may be, or have been maths, science, social studies or any other subject material as may be taught using English as the medium of instruction in any way shape or form.

However the instructors ego's were indeed filled to overflowing by their opportunity to inform and instruct us all about the indoctrination techniques of the Thai education system.

The dancing and the asking for food instruction section was indeed most amusing and worthy of a first rate comedy sketch on Thai T.V.

I went to the course with an open mind and willing to learn, should really have known better than that though.

Sad to say " that even after some twenty two plus years of living in a Thai centered environment andt bringing up a mixed race family (Thai and English) along with living and teaching here I learnt nothing at all, It was all about that which I and others already knew. One of our fellow female teachers a Burmese lady who has been teaching here for some thirty years and is married to a Thai also had to endure the course as well. her comments were indeed somewhat amusing to say the least."

Like one or two others we took delight in filling in some of the gaps that the ''instructors'' had in their flawed knowledge concerning their own culture along with education techniques too.

No doubt the xenophobic passion of the Thai people was or has been sated by teaching of we we ignorant foreigners all about the great Thai culture which has been filched from many other nations and cultures in the past to produce the current xenophobic outlook that we see on a daily basis.

Frankly a course on how to sell pork pies in a mosque would have been more enlightening and useful too.

Frankly a course on how to sell pork pies in a mosque would have been more enlightening and useful too.

You said a mouthful !

I don't suppose there was a fee for that course?

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Have to agree about the Thai culture course. And, I had to attend twice. On one occasion losing a weekend and a bank holiday. The highlight of course being a young black chap standing up and singing the Thai national anthem. I can still picture the look of horror on the Thai instuctors faces. And of course most of the aspiring teachers. Some of the role playing activitieswould have been more suitable to 6 year olds.

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atyclb # 34

I don't suppose there was a fee for that course?

The particular course I attended was paid for by my school, the fee being at that time 3,000 baht. I have heard though that the fee had risen to around 4,000baht , however I am unable to confirm if that is true or not.

Being a decent employer as we had to attend over part of one of our holiday periods we were given time off to compensate for time spent on the course as well as the fee being paid too

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Other employers like language institutes may be able to help get a work permit. I am not sure but I think it is worth investigating if you require to stay here and work here.

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Why cant 'they' see those who have made lives here, for years, teaching, mostly

respected and loved by many in the community that they live in.(not me)

DOES FCKIN COUNT ! ! !

This has to be the stupidest analogy I've ever seen.

"I had been receiving free UBC for a year and a half at my condo; the other week the signal stopped. Since I had no right to the service in the first place I have no right to complain about it."

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The course I attended opened with the head guy telling us all, he would show us many Thai customs etc

starting with, how to wee........................after being elbowed he changed it to wai.

After that it was all down hill.

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I lack any formal qualifications

I think this just about says it all.

If you want to work as a teacher in Thailand you must be qualified, the fact that you were allowed to work with out qualifications was luck on your part and now it is over.

I had been receiving free UBC for a year and a half at my condo; the other week the signal stopped. Since I had no right to the service in the first place I have no right to complain about it.

If you want to teach in Thailand, get the proper credentials.

I once hired a western teacher with a Doctorate in Education that couldn't teach his way out of a wet paper bag, and I have seen people w/o (so called)"proper" credentials teach in a manner that far surpassed those with the "proper" education credentials. Please try not to be so pompous about your credentials. They don't always dictate the quality of capability.

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Kilgore Trout. Charles Dickens didn"t have a degree in English literature, does that mean he couldn"t write? Not being a qualified English teacher obviously means there are many areas of teaching and child psychology which I don"t understand. As Skybluestu pointed out I was employed as an EFL teacher. Having done a tefl course and a Thai language course I was perfectly qualified at the time.

I will stick to my point; if you are not qualified to get a work permit then you shouldn't complain about not being granted one.

Kilgore Trout, I doubt anything said will soften your stance on un "credentialed" persons attempting to teach in Thailand. The fact remains, there are many that give their heart and souls to their students and in fact, help immeasurably with the education process here in Thailand. I would suggest that you applaud rather than disdain their heartfelt assistance to your educational crusade.

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Kilgore Trout. Charles Dickens didn"t have a degree in English literature, does that mean he couldn"t write? Not being a qualified English teacher obviously means there are many areas of teaching and child psychology which I don"t understand. As Skybluestu pointed out I was employed as an EFL teacher. Having done a tefl course and a Thai language course I was perfectly qualified at the time.

I will stick to my point; if you are not qualified to get a work permit then you shouldn't complain about not being granted one.

Kilgore Trout, I doubt anything said will soften your stance on un "credentialed" persons attempting to teach in Thailand. The fact remains, there are many that give their heart and souls to their students and in fact, help immeasurably with the education process here in Thailand. I would suggest that you applaud rather than disdain their heartfelt assistance to your educational crusade.

Of course there are those with natural ability who lack the proper credentials, what you are forgetting is how important having the proper background and training is.

Look at it from a parent's perspective; do you expect parents to accept the fact that the teacher teaching their children is not qualified?

Would you fly in an airplane with a pilot who doesn't have a licence but everyone "says" he is a great pilot; "don't worry about it; you will be fine"unsure.png

Natural ability and aptitude is great but teachers also need to be properly trained, and of course there are those who are trained and don't do their job well; I'm not denying that.

For those of you who are good teachers but not qualified; you would be surprised at how proper training would improve your skills and if you are really dedicated then you will do what is necessary to get qualified.

Teaching is an art and a science; even if you are naturally good at the "art" you still need the knowledge and experience with regard to the "science."

Bottom line; if you want to teach in Thailand then you need to get qualified. If you don't; ride as long as you can but don't complain about not being allowed a work permit if by law you are not qualified to get one.

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Kilgore Trout. Would you be so kind as to point out what you consisder to be complaining. As far as I"m aware there was no complaints, simply asking for others opinion on my suggestions.

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Kilgore Trout. Would you be so kind as to point out what you consisder to be complaining. As far as I"m aware there was no complaints, simply asking for others opinion on my suggestions.

What I consider to be complaining is, when asked for my opinion, and I respond with "get qualified" you argue with and insult me.

Maybe you are a great teacher; perhaps you are to the teaching world what "Charles Dickens" was to the literary world........whatever the case, if you want to teach get qualified. If you are serious about the profession, you won't regret it.

Good luck and all the bestcowboy.gif

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Kilgore Trout. Would you be so kind as to point out what you consisder to be complaining. As far as I"m aware there was no complaints, simply asking for others opinion on my suggestions.

What I consider to be complaining is, when asked for my opinion, and I respond with "get qualified" you argue with and insult me.

Maybe you are a great teacher; perhaps you are to the teaching world what "Charles Dickens" was to the literary world........whatever the case, if you want to teach get qualified. If you are serious about the profession, you won't regret it.

Good luck and all the bestcowboy.gif

Mr Trout, can you please be more specific? What do you mean when you say 'get qualified'? Would you like the OP, and all the other foreign teachers in Thailand, to be a qualified teacher in their home country? If so that's not going to happen! I personally know, and have met others during my four years in Thailand, many teachers working in government schools and universities and I can count on one hand how many were qualified teachers from back home before they came to Thailand. The only 'qualified' teachers I know work at international schools and get paid much more than those at government or private schools as Thai government and private schools can't afford/won't pay the salary that 'qualified' teachers demand.

So that leaves us with everyone else, those who aren't 'qualified' but are teaching with a TEFL certificate. Many of those have at least one degree or higher and teaching experience and some have attended the nonsensical Thai Culture Course and jumped through the other hoops that the TCT have set out such as the almost-impossible-to-pass tests which are required to be granted a TL. I presume you refer to these requirements when you say 'get qualified'? If so then can you please explain how someone with a degree in David Beckham Studies, Star Trek, Queer Musicology or Ufology (all real!), has attended a useless & pointless course in Thai Culture and randomly chose the correct answers in TCT tests (with most questions not making any sense because they are that poorly written and often have two possible correct answers or none at all) would make a better teacher than someone that has two A-Levels (but no degree because they were able get a good job without one), has 30 years life/work experience including management and training, has lived in Thailand for eight years and has a Thai family (so therefore knows more than they'd learn on the Culture Course) and teaching experience?

Or how about we put a breathalyser outside each classroom to test the alcohol level of teachers? I've met many a teacher who is sat on a bar stool not long after finishing school every day and sits there til midnight then goes to school the next day stinking of booze. But that's another thread altogether.

What you and others sat on their high horse should realise is it is too important a subject and each case should be looked at individually. Obviously the logistics of doing that means it'll never happen but the TCT are cutting of their nose to spite their face by making it more and more difficult for foreigners to teach here. On one hand the Thai government are saying they want Thais English to improve before 2015 and on the other hand many excellent teachers are having to leave Thailand because they don't meet, or won't meet, the TCT requirements. Rant over.

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