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Also Bruce. I have to ask. Why is it a BA. And not a B'Ed which is required for a teachers license. I know the CHE asked the same question!

also do the TCT recognize this course as advancement so allowing continued waivers. Can you start taking the TCT tests before you have graduated the course ?

That's after all why many people will do the course to enable continued work and the TCT license.

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You can believe me or not. That's up to you. I have explained in detail the approval process. We have completed it.

If universities in Thailand have been running unaccredited degrees it is news to me. I hope they took away their accreditation.

In our case it is not the case. You are welcome to investigate this matter. But further discussion seems pointless at this time.

Again we will hold an open house on 2 June at 10 am at Thongsook College. If anyone would like to attend it is not far from the Southern Bus Terminal and Mahidol International Campus.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=thongsuk+college+bangkok&hl=en&ll=13.768064,100.442162&spn=0.112375,0.220757&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.630055,113.027344&hq=thongsuk+college&hnear=Bangkok,+Thailand&t=m&z=12

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The BEd would take up to five years. This program, although it is a full 120 credits, can be completed in 3. We felt it was not worht the trade off.

Also Bruce. I have to ask. Why is it a BA. And not a B'Ed which is required for a teachers license. I know the CHE asked the same question!

also do the TCT recognize this course as advancement so allowing continued waivers. Can you start taking the TCT tests before you have graduated the course ?

That's after all why many people will do the course to enable continued work and the TCT license.

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Bruce. You live in Thailand so you know that this is indeed true that uni's have offered unaccredited courses.

There have been a fair few cases of accredited Thai uni's that have run non accredited courses or that have started courses while waiting to be accredited.

As for you assertion that a course can be accredited but NOT have paperwork.

Quite simply I do not believe you. This is the land of paperwork and multiple copies. The MOE is at the centre if this paperwork universe.

There was a case in the news about a month ago of a group of 3rd year Thai students who had been informed that the college course had either no accreditation, and I think had lied about having it. I am not mentioning this in any relation to the degree and institution being discussed, but simply that in Thailand I feel it is important to be able to get full accreditation info for a course before beginning it.

As it stands it appears there is no document from the MoE or CHE that accredits this degree.

I am waiting for Loaded and Richard (or others) to answer the questions about licensing accreditation numbers, and what documentation a course needs to show approval and accreditation by the MoE/CHE.

Thanks for all your input Bruce. I'm not trying to be hard on anybody, but I want the clear, transparent truth about degree accreditation in Thailand, and how one can verify such with the MoE/CHE.

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You can believe me or not. That's up to you. I have explained in detail the approval process. We have completed it.

But just to clarify, you say it is 'legally accredited by the CHE by way of them ignoring it for the legal period of time, which automatically gives it legal accreditation'?

Sorry to bother you Bruce, but do you know how we can get info from the CHE about courses in Thailand that they accredit?

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You can believe me or not. That's up to you. I have explained in detail the approval process. We have completed it.

But just to clarify, you say it is 'legally accredited by the CHE by way of them ignoring it for the legal period of time, which automatically gives it legal accreditation'?

Sorry to bother you Bruce, but do you know how we can get info from the CHE about courses in Thailand that they accredit?

Bruce. This exactly the conflicting information that has appeared on many forums. Mainly from yourself.

Here are some simple questions to answer.

Is this course accredited by the MOE and do you have that in writing?

Is this degree accepted by TCT for further waivers until graduated?

Thanks

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As you can probably understand, its not I who deals with the CHE. In fact, I had to have the degree proposal re-translated back to English so i could know of any changes that had been made.

But I also had the Thai rule book for having degrees approved by the CHE translated for me so i knew the process.

I also spoke to a colleague who had his degree program approved through the CHE at Asian University.

I also spoke to my friend Dr. Om, a PhD (Indiana USA) and current instructor at Burapha University and former head of the International Business program at Mahidol.

The book and my two colleagues have all confirmed the process. And we have completed that process. I attended the AC and UC and after the conclusion had a celebration dinner with the Thongsook College's President. That was nearly 2 months ago. The AC submitted the proposal to the CHE at that time. I was not personally present.

if this process is inadequate in your eyes all I can suggest is not joining. I have no idea what else to say.

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As you can probably understand, its not I who deals with the CHE. In fact, I had to have the degree proposal re-translated back to English so i could know of any changes that had been made.

But I also had the Thai rule book for having degrees approved by the CHE translated for me so i knew the process.

I also spoke to a colleague who had his degree program approved through the CHE at Asian University.

I also spoke to my friend Dr. Om, a PhD (Indiana USA) and current instructor at Burapha University and former head of the International Business program at Mahidol.

The book and my two colleagues have all confirmed the process. And we have completed that process. I attended the AC and UC and after the conclusion had a celebration dinner with the Thongsook College's President. That was nearly 2 months ago. The AC submitted the proposal to the CHE at that time. I was not personally present.

if this process is inadequate in your eyes all I can suggest is not joining. I have no idea what else to say.

Provide proof!!

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As I have stated many times including this forum, this progam is a degree from an accredited Thai college. We make NO other promises about waivers and TKT exams.

It would be helpful if you would quit asking the same questions over and over again.

You can believe me or not. That's up to you. I have explained in detail the approval process. We have completed it.

But just to clarify, you say it is 'legally accredited by the CHE by way of them ignoring it for the legal period of time, which automatically gives it legal accreditation'?

Sorry to bother you Bruce, but do you know how we can get info from the CHE about courses in Thailand that they accredit?

Bruce. This exactly the conflicting information that has appeared on many forums. Mainly from yourself.

Here are some simple questions to answer.

Is this course accredited by the MOE and do you have that in writing?

Is this degree accepted by TCT for further waivers until graduated?

Thanks

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As I have stated many times including this forum, this progam is a degree from an accredited Thai college. We make NO other promises about waivers and TKT exams.

Thanks Bruce, and I do mean that, it isn't easy being put under the spotlight.

I highlighted 'this program' as I want some info from either yourself or anyone else with genuine knowledge.

For a B.A degree program to be accredited, what do the MoE have to provide? Accreditation number? License Number? Nothing at all?

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I am waiting for Loaded and Richard (or others) to answer the questions about licensing accreditation numbers, and what documentation a course needs to show approval and accreditation by the MoE/CHE.

I believe the school/college has to obtain a school licence. Requirements include building engineers report, size of classrooms etc. I think the school licensee needs to have achieved a certain education civil service grade. The school/college cannot be owned by an individual but needs to be owned by a company. Once the licence is achieved, curriculum for any subject can be presented for inspection to the MoE. Once approved, they are attached to the original licence. This takes time and may explain the delay in introducing the program. The BA TESOL is probably an attachment to the college's original licence. The attachment's registration is identified by a series of numbers and letters written in Thai. That's what you need to give to the MoE.

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To loaded:

Thongsook was accredited in 1995. its not a new college.

According to the rule book, after the AC submits the program to the CHE, the CHE has 60 days to make any comments. If they do not make any comments the degree automatically becomes official in 60 days.

We went through this process 6 months ago already and they asked us to clarify a few points. It was then submitted again to the AC and UC and resubmitted. The CHE rarely makes any big changes once a degree program has gone through all the steps necessary. But they may make some minor changes and adjust a few things in cooperation with the university.

According to the rules, as soon as the UC approve a degree it can be marketed and the program can begin accepting students. We did not do so the first time through as a precaution. We waited until the initial changes were made and went back through the process.

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i am going out now and will not be able to answer any more questions for at least a few hours.

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^ Thanks.

The BA TESOL is probably an attachment to the college's original licence. The attachment's registration is identified by a series of numbers and letters written in Thai. That's what you need to give to the MoE.

And the MoE respond and give accreditation by?

(stamped document? Course License Number? etc.??)

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To loaded:

Thongsook was accredited in 1995. its not a new college.

According to the rule book, after the AC submits the program to the CHE, the CHE has 60 days to make any comments. If they do not make any comments the degree automatically becomes official in 60 days.

We went through this process 6 months ago already and they asked us to clarify a few points. It was then submitted again to the AC and UC and resubmitted. The CHE rarely makes any big changes once a degree program has gone through all the steps necessary. But they may make some minor changes and adjust a few things in cooperation with the university.

According to the rules, as soon as the UC approve a degree it can be marketed and the program can begin accepting students. We did not do so the first time through as a precaution. We waited until the initial changes were made and went back through the process.

Thanks for a clear answer.

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