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All fun with me but no way would i want to be forced to do so and not being able to fish myself.

In my opinion and experience, an angler that hires a guide and doesn't insist that he fish is missing out on a lot of valuable knowledge. Just watching how the guides fish (and how they hold their mouth during the retrieve) and emulating their actions is worth hiring a guide.

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My opinion would be stay at a hotel in bangkok, get taxis to Bung samran and hire the rod and guide at the venue. I think you'll save a lot. Plus it is the best fishing for tourists in Bangkok. The biggest fish with the best services for English speakers.

Honestly what would 8 days cost?

8x1000 for fishing

8x1000 for guide

8x 500 for bait

8x 500 for rod hire

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= 24,000 thb

You can get a hotel from about 1000 baht a night and taxis there and back about 300 baht a day?

8x1000 + 8 x 300 = 10,400

Total = 34,400 THB

Maybe if you tell a guide at the park that you'll hire him for a week he'll do you a discount?

Gnao nam would be a bit difficult as not many people understand English there.

Again....just one venue...two species of fish. A long way to come not to get a broader experience.

Fine the below includes Amazon species too - red tails, arapaima, pacu, mekong cats, siamese carp and sawaii:

-2 days at Bungsamran = -3000 THB

+2 days at Amazon BKK

2x 500 baht for fishing, 2x 500 baht for guide, 2x 300 baht rod hire, 500 baht bait = 3,100 THB

Total cost = 34,500 THB

BTW, You can't seriously say that because Rob wont take people fishing for free that he's in the wrong?

Nobody will work for free. The truth is that after about a day of guided fishing I think most people could do everything themselves.

So Davejbee you might save yourself 1000 baht a day by doing things yourself when going back to the same venues you have fished before.

Walk out of your hotel. You'll find a taxi within 60 seconds. Hand them the adress of where you want to go in Thai. No need for the excessive costs of guides transport either.

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My opinion would be stay at a hotel in bangkok, get taxis to Bung samran and hire the rod and guide at the venue. I think you'll save a lot. Plus it is the best fishing for tourists in Bangkok. The biggest fish with the best services for English speakers.

Honestly what would 8 days cost?

8x1000 for fishing

8x1000 for guide

8x 500 for bait

8x 500 for rod hire

----------------------------

= 24,000 thb

You can get a hotel from about 1000 baht a night and taxis there and back about 300 baht a day?

8x1000 + 8 x 300 = 10,400

Total = 34,400 THB

Maybe if you tell a guide at the park that you'll hire him for a week he'll do you a discount?

Gnao nam would be a bit difficult as not many people understand English there.

Again....just one venue...two species of fish. A long way to come not to get a broader experience.

Fine the below includes Amazon species too - red tails, arapaima, pacu, mekong cats, siamese carp and sawaii:

-2 days at Bungsamran = -3000 THB

+2 days at Amazon BKK

2x 500 baht for fishing, 2x 500 baht for guide, 2x 300 baht rod hire, 500 baht bait = 3,100 THB

Total cost = 34,500 THB

BTW, You can't seriously say that because Rob wont take people fishing for free that he's in the wrong?

Nobody will work for free. The truth is that after about a day of guided fishing I think most people could do everything themselves.

So Davejbee you might save yourself 1000 baht a day by doing things yourself when going back to the same venues you have fished before.

Walk out of your hotel. You'll find a taxi within 60 seconds. Hand them the address of where you want to go in Thai. No need for the excessive costs of guides transport either.

Some very interesting and strong opinions voiced here for myself i live in Chiang Rai and the opportunity to catch different species is hard to find, have to agree with Ian Thais will literally empty a location of everything in a few days and move onto the next pond and do the same and leave a trail of trash in the process.

Having recently made a brief trip to CM, i witnessed tourists being blatantly ripped off by local operators (renaming a venue to fool customers for one) in order to make profit. Have to agree that a guide is very useful as is just watching the locals and the various methods they use. I was fortunate to chat with a guide at Bor Sang ( or whatever some people wish to call it) who was kind enough to show me of his tips for the lake for free.

I plan to trip down to BKK in a few weeks and try some of the places you all have mentioned and agree that if you plan to fish a venue for a few days, then a guide for the day is good sense then after that fend for yourself in order to keep the cost down.

I think it's easy for those of us who are fortunate live in LOS to get complacent about the fact how lucky we really are to be able to fish all year round for relatively low cost compared to back home (the UK for me) and paying through the nose for day tickets, rod licenses etc..

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This threads moved on a bit without reply from me, been busy organising trips for visiting anglers! Expats advising tourist anglers who are not being paid to try and help them get a result????? = A bad idea. Expats all take thier own experience much for granted. the ease with which you do things becuase you have done them before (even the apparently simple task of getting around Bangkok) is really the point that is lost in the two way banter that goes on about this subject. Theres a hell of a lot of opinions about what is the best venue, what is the best tackle, is a guide required or not?...so on and so forth, but thats the trouble its all just opinion. Actually providing a service is what matters. Our company for one do not and never have even suggested we are guides (its you lot that do that!) We are tour operators! That means we facilitate peoples fishing trips, guidance as in "fishing guide" is a very small component of a tour operators service all though it is part of it, whats more important is making sure somes trip is put together in a logical cost effective manner. Even on day trips, on avergae I get 1 or 2 phone calls a month from tourists lost somewhere in bangkok in taxi asking us "where is Bungsamran?" If Im in the right mood I try to help, if Im in the wrong mood I say, "sorry we are a tour operator" you have to pay for our services! (And that includes making sure our customers actually get to go fishing when they plan too!)

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Of course you would find it a bad idea because it cost you customers. I would say its up to the person who wants to fish if he decides to read and educate himself here and on other sites or go to a fishing tour company.

Id say that if you have a Thai partner 80% of the fishing can be arranged at lakes and so can transportation. If you have no one who speaks Thai and you want an easy time then a tour is a great help. I would personally use a tour if i was in a country where they would not speak good English and there was no information available on websites. However many places have information available and then id rather find it out from there. It saves you at least 50% of your money. Wild fishing.. different story.

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Of course you would find it a bad idea because it cost you customers. I would say its up to the person who wants to fish if he decides to read and educate himself here and on other sites or go to a fishing tour company.

Id say that if you have a Thai partner 80% of the fishing can be arranged at lakes and so can transportation. If you have no one who speaks Thai and you want an easy time then a tour is a great help. I would personally use a tour if i was in a country where they would not speak good English and there was no information available on websites. However many places have information available and then id rather find it out from there. It saves you at least 50% of your money. Wild fishing.. different story.

It's pretty annoying that you find nothing about Thai fishing except for advertising by guides when trying to read about it online. It would be nice to see some videos of different venues and techniques.

I think the transportation gimmick is a big one for the tour companies. They always advertise air conditioned transport to and from venues included in the price. Most holiday makers don't realise all taxis are air conditioned and that they are so cheap and readily available. The amount you pay for a taxi in Bangkok is about the same as a bus in farang land.

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Try bangkokhookers its a good site and the guy who runs it really anoys the crap out of fishing tour operators because he tells all the details where to go and what to pay. He is Thai and speaks perfect English.

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Try bangkokhookers its a good site and the guy who runs it really anoys the crap out of fishing tour operators because he tells all the details where to go and what to pay. He is Thai and speaks perfect English.

Yes i'm a big fan of his site. Funny name. I'm sure it's not the kind of site many people expect from the title.

I hope he gets more and more videos and reviews uploaded.

Thanks

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Oz is working full time on the site now so you should see lots more content incoming.

That's great news! I look forward to seeing more. clap2.gif

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Try bangkokhookers its a good site and the guy who runs it really anoys the crap out of fishing tour operators because he tells all the details where to go and what to pay. He is Thai and speaks perfect English.

Is this honestly what you think Robblok? Once again....completely missing the point! Its about offering a service. If anyone cares to look there are dozens and dozens of websites offering information about Thailands fishing scene, I should know our own website "spawned" most of them when we went online 6 or 7 years ago! The reaction to our website was pretty signifciant across all aspects of the Thai fishing scene becuase we actually named venues, whislt at the time the only other serious tour operator deliberately left the venues pages of thier website "under construction", to keep his knowledge to himself....at the time I thought that was selfish, now I reliase he was right.

You actually need to rephrase your comment to something like " Some websites have been set up by expat anglers or their Thai friends becuase they think it annoys the crap out of tour operators!" It would be a much more accurate description of how and why some (if not all) of these websites came about, as sad as that is, you've obviously been talking to some certain people I know who would have you believe tour operators give a crap about such things, they don't. You might have noticed our websites venue pages doesnt get updated so much so more. Well thats becuase I learned long ago I get know thanks for exposing venues,(all they do is keep hiking the prices on all of us in return for the free exposure!) not from the expat community(all they do is think they can "annoy the crap out of us "by following us everywhere we go, so now I largely take customers elsewhere and simply dont publish the details! Like the venue Im using thats two biggest carp are 84kg and 96kg, or my other venue that only has 2 species of fish available Stingray and thousands of Siamese Carp, or the other one that has 100 plus 50kg Arapaima in and is only 2000BHT a rod!clap2.gif All within an hour or two of Bangkok! So Robblok thats what you get for "annoying the crap" out of those that choose to fish for a living, an information drought!

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Also none of the 3 venues just mentioned are present on any other websites Western or Thai and now never will be. You could trawl 100s of Thai fishing magazines and you might find a 1 off advert for 1 of them, or you could join a few Thai fishing forums, and you might see a mention, but if we dont publish in english, its unlikely the names and locations will ever be published, this is th lesson Ive learned from expats. All they want to do is criticise what we do, so then why do it? I now keep my knowledge and experience of venues to myself, and share only with people who are willing to place a value on that knowledge, not criticise the very thing that likely led them to some of the venues theyve fished in the first place. How do you think you know about Palm Tree to complain about it Robblok? The only reason you know it exists to complain about is becuase we exposed it. before that the original owner was charging 200BHT to catch a 350lb plus Arapaima! And all you could find was a single line listing on a Thai fishing forum directory that didnt even have an address or a telephone number that worked! My business partner spent 5 days in Ratchaburi and drove past it a dozen times before we finally found it, and even then we was not sure it was the place of legend that only one westerner had ever fished for a number of years, that westerner being Dave Wilson, who, being a gentleman actually congratulated us for finding it! The original owner subsequently sold his leased "pond" for 2 million baht and now you pay upwards of 4000BHT a day to fish it! Clearly we have not done the fishing scene any good at all have we?

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Here we go again... cheesy.gif

btw Rufanuf you do realise that some expats talk to Thais. Some even live with them. ohmy.png They talk about things, even fishing venues. lol.

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Also none of the 3 venues just mentioned are present on any other websites Western or Thai and now never will be. You could trawl 100s of Thai fishing magazines and you might find a 1 off advert for 1 of them, or you could join a few Thai fishing forums, and you might see a mention, but if we dont publish in english, its unlikely the names and locations will ever be published, this is th lesson Ive learned from expats. All they want to do is criticise what we do, so then why do it? I now keep my knowledge and experience of venues to myself, and share only with people who are willing to place a value on that knowledge, not criticise the very thing that likely led them to some of the venues theyve fished in the first place. How do you think you know about Palm Tree to complain about it Robblok? The only reason you know it exists to complain about is becuase we exposed it. before that the original owner was charging 200BHT to catch a 350lb plus Arapaima! And all you could find was a single line listing on a Thai fishing forum directory that didnt even have an address or a telephone number that worked! My business partner spent 5 days in Ratchaburi and drove past it a dozen times before we finally found it, and even then we was not sure it was the place of legend that only one westerner had ever fished for a number of years, that westerner being Dave Wilson, who, being a gentleman actually congratulated us for finding it! The original owner subsequently sold his leased "pond" for 2 million baht and now you pay upwards of 4000BHT a day to fish it! Clearly we have not done the fishing scene any good at all have we?

Whilst I agree with some to some extent, isn't the reason this and other forums exist so that like minded people can share information with each other freely without financial gain unsure.png or am I missing the point.

If you don't want to contribute then don't it's that simple.

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