Lite Beer Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 We have received this message from The Hon Consul at the Royal Thai Consulate Hull. Dear News Editor I would be obliged if you would post the following message from the Royal Thai Consulate, Hull UK regarding the Expat Forum Topic "Non Imm Visa When You Have Thai Child":- "Message from the Royal Thai Consulate in Hull (UK). Please note that it is no longer possible to obtain a non immigrant visa from the Royal Thai Embassy or from any of the Royal Thai Consulates in the UK on the basis that you are the father of a child living in Thailand even if you possess the child's birth certificate which shows you as the father. To be eligible to apply for this type of visa you must also be married to the mother of the child and have an official marriage certificate." Can you also please inform your readers that they must never post their passport from Thailand to any other country for any reason because there will not be any evidence in their passport to show that they exited Thailand. Thank you and kind regards Alan P Taylor Hon Consul Royal Thai Consulate 4 Priory Court Saxon Way Hessle HULL HU13 9PB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryLH Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 "Can you also please inform your readers that they must never post their passport from Thailand to any other country for any reason because there will not be any evidence in their passport to show that they exited Thailand." Poorly worded. I suspect they are talking about not sending a passport out to get a Thai Visa. If they actually meant what they wrote, they are over stepping their job description. There are other reasons that someone might send a passport out of the country. Nice of them to pass on the info, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post haveaniceday Posted February 20, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2012 This is really going to screw up many genuine situations, where the farther can and does look after the child due to the misfit mother doesn't want to or gone off with someone else. Is this also saying that we don't expect you to support the child as you are not welcome ? I can see many fathers taking their kids and living abroad. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wolf5370 Posted February 20, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2012 "Can you also please inform your readers that they must never post their passport from Thailand to any other country for any reason because there will not be any evidence in their passport to show that they exited Thailand." Poorly worded. I suspect they are talking about not sending a passport out to get a Thai Visa. If they actually meant what they wrote, they are over stepping their job description. There are other reasons that someone might send a passport out of the country. Nice of them to pass on the info, though. Yes like renewing the passport (gets sent to Hong Kong - comes back from UK). Whatabout mothers then? Or is this another sexist Thai immigration law? What about divorced men? Married at time of birth? Since birth? or have to be curently married? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaiIand Posted February 20, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) i am glad this is the last year we are spending here. My children wont grow up being racist [snip] pushing away paying guests Edited February 20, 2012 by george Profanity removed 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darbar Posted February 20, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2012 And it just gets harder and harder... What good will come of this? I suspect not much at all. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niller74 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Wonder what is next? Over the 7 years I have stayed in Thailand, I have only seen them tighten the visa rules and making it harder. Maybe the next step will be not to grandfather my current 3M investment visa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardinBKK Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I must admit that this is a pretty poor policy. yes, many scam the system, and there are also some "stand up guys" who really care and do support their kids. What governments miss, and not just Thailand, are common sense middle ground solutions. For example, having to bring the child / children to a center every 90 days for an interview. Real dads would not like it, but suffer through it. Scammers would just tire of the process and the money on top of money on top of money "moms" would charge to "rent" their kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeryble Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Many clued up Thai people who do any type of business refuse to get registered as married as it means two signatures for official docs and other nasty things like that which i can't remember at this time of night. Me too. A genuine nuisance. Edited February 20, 2012 by cheeryble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanpakwan Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Leap Year, Hope she proposes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vahack Posted February 20, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2012 so what happens if my wife dies in a car accident on these shitty roads? i lose my kid too? 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vahack Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 i just re-read this is an embassy visa issuance rule. any confirmation from immigration in Thailand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jayman Posted February 20, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) I bet that this still doesn't stop any foreign father for going and get the court recognized letter stating that the foreigner is indeed the lawful father of the child. It has always been the case that fathers of children are not considered the legal parent just because their name is on the birth cert as there are no checks and the mother could have listed any name when registered. The law requires the parents be married or the father must petition the court for legal paperwork showing he is the father. Usually this will require a simple DNA test. The conditions are a bit easier if the child is over age 7. Of course this isn't the same for women and it's hardly a sexist thing but rather simple biology. Edited February 20, 2012 by Jayman 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 i just re-read this is an embassy visa issuance rule. any confirmation from immigration in Thailand? Immigration has nothing to do with visa issuance abroad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointoffew Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Although embassies and - in particular - consulates tend to make their own rules, they are not allowed to do so. All Thai embassies and consulates have been instructed by the MFA that they must strictly and uniformly implement the laws, regulations etc. set out in BKK. I know that few Thai embassies and consulates comply with that instruction - it's up to the officer - but it could be worthwhile applying for such a "father of a Thai child" visa elsewhere. Until recently, the Thai embassy in Vientiane issued them. Edited February 20, 2012 by pointoffew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThaiSold Posted February 20, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2012 I'm sorry but I would take very little from this at all. There is no mention of the code for the Non immigrant visa though we assume it's a Non-0 visa. This is hardly a new rule anyway, if you arn't married to the mother of the child what right should you have to get the visa anyway. Seems like the only reason why you got the email in the first place was because some guy knocked up a girl in Pattaya and thought it would be a good way to get a visa. Oh and to those who think it's racist go back and ask your own consulate if this would fly in your country, it wouldn't. have a kid in america to an unwed mother good luck if you think you'll get a green card. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hanuman1 Posted February 20, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) Won't this rule make the entire concept of 'getting a visa on the basis of having a Thai child' completely redundant? If you have to be married to get one, then you'd just as easily get a visa on that basis (being married) alone. Or have I missed something? Edited February 20, 2012 by hanuman1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Won't this rule make the entire concept of 'getting a visa on the basis of having a Thai child' completely redundant? If you have to be married to get one, then you'd just as easily get a visa on that basis (being married) alone. Or have I missed something? That is my understanding as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayman Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I think this just makes the requirements to prove you are the father more in line with Thai law where as before they would just accept the childs birth cert. I could be wrong on this but this is how I'm reading it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I think this just makes the requirements to prove you are the father more in line with Thai law where as before they would just accept the childs birth cert. I could be wrong on this but this is how I'm reading it. Sounds like this is happening now. Either marry or goto court/provide DNA sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starcatcher Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I'm sorry but I would take very little from this at all. There is no mention of the code for the Non immigrant visa though we assume it's a Non-0 visa. This is hardly a new rule anyway, if you arn't married to the mother of the child what right should you have to get the visa anyway. Seems like the only reason why you got the email in the first place was because some guy knocked up a girl in Pattaya and thought it would be a good way to get a visa. Oh and to those who think it's racist go back and ask your own consulate if this would fly in your country, it wouldn't. have a kid in america to an unwed mother good luck if you think you'll get a green card. Not true: the mother of a child with German nationality has the right to stay with the child in Germany, because it is the given right to a mother to take care of her child. Even not a language test is needed under this circumstances. When she wants to be with her child in Germany, she don't need to show money, give a proof of return, not need to be married to a German etc. And I can imagine, this is similar at other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiSold Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I'm sorry but I would take very little from this at all. There is no mention of the code for the Non immigrant visa though we assume it's a Non-0 visa. This is hardly a new rule anyway, if you arn't married to the mother of the child what right should you have to get the visa anyway. Seems like the only reason why you got the email in the first place was because some guy knocked up a girl in Pattaya and thought it would be a good way to get a visa. Oh and to those who think it's racist go back and ask your own consulate if this would fly in your country, it wouldn't. have a kid in america to an unwed mother good luck if you think you'll get a green card. Not true: the mother of a child with German nationality has the right to stay with the child in Germany, because it is the given right to a mother to take care of her child. Even not a language test is needed under this circumstances. When she wants to be with her child in Germany, she don't need to show money, give a proof of return, not need to be married to a German etc. And I can imagine, this is similar at other countries. We are talking about the father not the mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayday49 Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointoffew Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 This is hardly a new rule anyway, if you arn't married to the mother of the child what right should you have to get the visa anyway. Apparently you are not aware of the visa regulation this relates to. There was - and likely still is - a separate provision for unmarried fathers of Thai children. A Non-O indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayman Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Why? because TIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tragickingdom Posted February 20, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2012 Another example that the Thai does not gives a rats ass about their fellow citizens. Most foreign men just bring money in, they seldom get anything in return in the first place. But that is what you get when criminals become ministers of justice and brothel owners ministers of commerce. Oh for those people supporting their Izan wives who already had a few children from Thai husbands who never cared in the first place. Do not forget to leave your credit card. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicSurfer Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) What about if you are divorced??? You are divorced from the kid also???? This just increases Thailand's ongoing Violations of the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights": The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.— Article 16(3) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights The Discrimination and Human Rights Violations in Thailand are making them akin to the Worst of the Worst! CS Edited February 20, 2012 by CosmicSurfer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Just because you are on a birth certificate does not mean you are the legal father. Please read this thread, legalize your children, please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayman Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 You guys are not reading this correctly. The law in Thailand has always been this way. The only change it seems is the requirement to prove legal parentage for the visa. If you are a man and have a thai child out of wedlock then unless you petitioned the court you have never been considered the legal father of the child. If you are concerned with this then petition the courts and get legal parental rights. It's that simple. Obviously the same doesn't hold for women as the child comes out of their body for all to see. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickster Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Interesting the letter is signed by Alan Taylor who I thought retired about a year ago??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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