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300,000 Baht Backhander To Secure A Job Teaching

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My Thai wife is in the process of paying 300,000 Baht to the 'big boss', to get a teaching job that pays 15,000 Baht per month.

Despite me trying to convince her that; 1.it is morally wrong to fuel corruption and 2. it does not make sense to pay so much for so little, she insists that it is normal practise and told me of several friends and family that have paid similar amounts for similar salary positions in local government offices. After much discussion I have refused to give her the money, now she has borrowed it from a cousin and is going ahead. I can not stop her, I think she has already made the first payment, but I am worried that corrupt 'big boss' could ask for more, and dismiss her if she does not keep paying, He knows she is married to a farang so probably thinks she has unlimited funds.

Is this really normal practise?

Anyone had similar experiences?

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it is called tea money..but her's is exhorbitant....the people I know paid 150000 baht.. common pratice.

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It is terrible and you are not alone feeling the way you do. Second it is over priced. I hate it, but until Thailand does something to discourage it, like rewarding whistle blowers not punishing them or creating a website www.ipaidteamoney.com it will continue. I am personal aware of many of these transactions and I will tell you the norm is 10x the monthly salary. She is getting robbed from every angle except she now has a job. The job should be hers if she is qualified without tea money. But we farang can not nor should we do anything.

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Maybe in their society it isn't negative or as negative as we perceive it. IE It's common practice, the wife sees it as OK and nobody will ever be arrested or punished for taking the tea money, so big clues there as to how they view this. Our societies and cultures are very different.

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Maybe in their society it isn't negative or as negative as we perceive it. IE It's common practice, the wife sees it as OK and nobody will ever be arrested or punished for taking the tea money, so big clues there as to how they view this. Our societies and cultures are very different.

they see it as wrong, unfair and illegal but if you want a job or a raise at work greedy man up above is greedy and it is against the law to accuse without enough proof or self involvement.

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My neighbor, already 55, wanted to work a little closer to her home at a well- known high school in town. They were also asking for 300,000 baht, which made my friend pretty angry. It's also not about your qualifications, it's all about money. A director's position can be worth a few million baht. jap.gif

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You might remember Songkran girls played topless in the water, girls were fined 300 baht, person who took the video exposing the illegal activity got a 300,000 baht fine or Jet ski operators stealing from tourist got a warning but the man who video taped it and gave it to the news...150,000 baht fine. Laws are not written to protect the people just those who have money.

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I wonder how much the 'big boss' had to pay for his job?

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Maybe in their society it isn't negative or as negative as we perceive it. IE It's common practice, the wife sees it as OK and nobody will ever be arrested or punished for taking the tea money, so big clues there as to how they view this. Our societies and cultures are very different.

they see it as wrong, unfair and illegal but if you want a job or a raise at work greedy man up above is greedy and it is against the law to accuse without enough proof or self involvement.

It's part of their culture. The idea of 'kin muang', or eat the country, started during the reign of RAMA 5. The King allowed provincial governors and tax collectors to skim a percentage of government revenues for themselves in lieu of official salaries. Tax 'farming' became highly lucrative and franchises were expensive. The Shinwatra's first family fortune came through tax farming in San Kampaeng. Kin muang is still highly prevalent especially within local and national government.

It's inappropriate to say it's greedy because the people who pay will use their new job to enrich themselves by claiming back the money indirectly whether it's a police captain's position in Pattaya receiving payments from whore houses or government teachers who will milk the benefits available to government teachers with little regard to paying back loans. They wouldn't be paying such large amounts for nothing. They know the privileges they are buying.

300K is a lot for a government teacher franchise. However, she wouldn't be paying this unless she knew she could get it back. Thais don't like to work for nothing.

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have any foreigners had to pay tea money to secure a job? Or is this only thais? I understood that all that was needed was bachelor/master's degree or tefl certification. Have any foreigners also had to pay an "application fee" to apply?

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It's part of their culture. The idea of 'kin muang', or eat the country, started during the reign of RAMA 5. The King allowed provincial governors and tax collectors to skim a percentage of government revenues for themselves in lieu of official salaries. Tax 'farming' became highly lucrative and franchises were expensive. The Shinwatra's first family fortune came through tax farming in San Kampaeng. Kin muang is still highly prevalent especially within local and national government.

It's inappropriate to say it's greedy because the people who pay will use their new job to enrich themselves by claiming back the money indirectly whether it's a police captain's position in Pattaya receiving payments from whore houses or government teachers who will milk the benefits available to government teachers with little regard to paying back loans. They wouldn't be paying such large amounts for nothing. They know the privileges they are buying.

300K is a lot for a government teacher franchise. However, she wouldn't be paying this unless she knew she could get it back. Thais don't like to work for nothing.

This is very interesting indeed. Actually, I never heard of people having to pay to get a job. But this sounds like more of a business opportunity (almost mlm/network marketing lol) structure.

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Standard practice. My next door neighbor who is my wifes cousin had to pay i think 2 million or something crazy like that to become principle at a school. The pay is low but he expects to recoup the investment on the same thing kick backs.

You might want to help her out, she is going to do anyway.

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Maybe it was 150k but told you it was 300k incase you would only decide to give half?

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have any foreigners had to pay tea money to secure a job? Or is this only thais? I understood that all that was needed was bachelor/master's degree or tefl certification. Have any foreigners also had to pay an "application fee" to apply?

Never heard of a farang being asked for tea money.

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News to me. Have never seen or heard of anyone having to pay to secure a job in Thailand. Very odd.

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