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300,000 Baht Backhander To Secure A Job Teaching

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Any proof of corruption took place?

Else it is just another allegation.

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Look at it this way most thais want a gov. job because it is the only one in thailand with a pension (lifetime position too) and usually for teachers a lump sum payout when they retire, there are also many other perks such as access to low interest loans without collateral, free school/health care for their children, white envelopes for fees from parents, etc. Thais in education have two options, be a teacher for your career and skim the system for what you can, dont work much (dont teach anything to students in class then charge them tutoring fees in the evening and on weekends, many ajarns have their own cram schools which are very lucrative) or they can go the admin route which is where the real money is, but it is a difficult club to get into and also very hard to advance without allies in your camp. Admin is also very unreliable as most schools change them out every so often so networking with the right people is very important. Not sure why anyone is surprised by this as thailand is run by corruption from top to bottom, the place would fall into chaos without it as they have never known any other way and refuse to change it. 300k isnt really a bad investment for her depending on her age.

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Maybe in their society it isn't negative or as negative as we perceive it. IE It's common practice, the wife sees it as OK and nobody will ever be arrested or punished for taking the tea money, so big clues there as to how they view this. Our societies and cultures are very different.

So by your logic it is ok for Somalis to cut off the clitoris of little girls, right? As you said " It's common practice, the wife sees it as OK and nobody will ever be arrested or punished for taking the tea money[performing the removal of a clitoris], so big clues there as to how they view this. Our societies and cultures are very different".

Wake up; although an extreme example; clitorectomies are wrong and so is corruption!!! These are the people that are teaching children!!

If ever there was a Thai apologist......

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News to me. Have never seen or heard of anyone having to pay to secure a job in Thailand. Very odd.

Is this post intentionally designed to bait or are you truly unaware of what happens around you.

Any job on offer were it is possible to make money over and above the salary carries a price tag.

I know two Thai men here who had to pay 20k Baht each just to get a job on Garbage Collection.

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You may have refused to give her tt

he money and she may have got the debt herself but remember you are liable for her debts in a marriage.

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That is twenty months working for nothing, plus, the interest on the loan, she will be close to retirement before any income is hers. Unbelievable!!!!!! Why would anybody do that, cheaper to stay at home.

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Give her 15,000 a month out of your pocket, you will be way in front

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God gave man a penis and a brain, unfortunately, did not give sufficient blood supply to run both at the same time.

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Apart from the Bribery and Moral issue,it means the wife will be working for 20 months for nothing,and only break even,

IMO Economic madness,and maybe some more cash will be required after the 20 months period is up?

If anyone can buy a Teachers job,in this way,then it's no wonder Education standards are poor in Thailand.

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Standard practice. My next door neighbor who is my wifes cousin had to pay i think 2 million or something crazy like that to become principle at a school. The pay is low but he expects to recoup the investment on the same thing kick backs.

You might want to help her out, she is going to do anyway.

I agree. Maybe his wife can earn enough to send their own children to an International School where their own children's minds won't necessarily be crippled/addled/maimed.

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Maybe in their society it isn't negative or as negative as we perceive it. IE It's common practice, the wife sees it as OK and nobody will ever be arrested or punished for taking the tea money, so big clues there as to how they view this. Our societies and cultures are very different.

they see it as wrong, unfair and illegal but if you want a job or a raise at work greedy man up above is greedy and it is against the law to accuse without enough proof or self involvement.

It's part of their culture. The idea of 'kin muang', or eat the country, started during the reign of RAMA 5. The King allowed provincial governors and tax collectors to skim a percentage of government revenues for themselves in lieu of official salaries. Tax 'farming' became highly lucrative and franchises were expensive. The Shinwatra's first family fortune came through tax farming in San Kampaeng. Kin muang is still highly prevalent especially within local and national government.

It's inappropriate to say it's greedy because the people who pay will use their new job to enrich themselves by claiming back the money indirectly whether it's a police captain's position in Pattaya receiving payments from whore houses or government teachers who will milk the benefits available to government teachers with little regard to paying back loans. They wouldn't be paying such large amounts for nothing. They know the privileges they are buying.

300K is a lot for a government teacher franchise. However, she wouldn't be paying this unless she knew she could get it back. Thais don't like to work for nothing.

"Franchise" I've never heard corruption called that before!

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I know that it isn't rare but that doesn't make it the standard. Not that I am any expert or that I know that many people but most of my friends here are Thai and I don't know anyone that has had to pay a bribe.

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Look at it this way most thais want a gov. job because it is the only one in thailand with a pension (lifetime position too) and usually for teachers a lump sum payout when they retire, there are also many other perks such as access to low interest loans without collateral, free school/health care for their children, white envelopes for fees from parents, etc. Thais in education have two options, be a teacher for your career and skim the system for what you can, dont work much (dont teach anything to students in class then charge them tutoring fees in the evening and on weekends, many ajarns have their own cram schools which are very lucrative) or they can go the admin route which is where the real money is, but it is a difficult club to get into and also very hard to advance without allies in your camp. Admin is also very unreliable as most schools change them out every so often so networking with the right people is very important. Not sure why anyone is surprised by this as thailand is run by corruption from top to bottom, the place would fall into chaos without it as they have never known any other way and refuse to change it. 300k isnt really a bad investment for her depending on her age.

You're not wrong, but it wasn't always this way. Far from it. My dear MIL, before Alzheimers overtook her, used to be the chief administrator of Ayutthaya schools. I would bet my life she never took a "backhander" in her life. She did used to report people would offer her things in consideration of special treatment. She used to tell me that in every case those people went to the back of the line. BTW, she's been retired for 20+ years and her pension, not even to mention her medical benefits (more than 30,000/mo just for meds) are far superior to the salary the OP's wife is trying to claim.

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Maybe in their society it isn't negative or as negative as we perceive it. IE It's common practice, the wife sees it as OK and nobody will ever be arrested or punished for taking the tea money, so big clues there as to how they view this. Our societies and cultures are very different.

So by your logic it is ok for Somalis to cut off the clitoris of little girls, right? As you said " It's common practice, the wife sees it as OK and nobody will ever be arrested or punished for taking the tea money[performing the removal of a clitoris], so big clues there as to how they view this. Our societies and cultures are very different".

Wake up; although an extreme example; clitorectomies are wrong and so is corruption!!! These are the people that are teaching children!!

If ever there was a Thai apologist......

Wrong. They are people making money and not the slightest bit interested in the children"s education. Next week the foreing teachers test 153 children for MEP 1 next year.Already 10 have passed. Go figure.
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