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I have a 27 hectars agarwood plantation in Cambodia. The plantation consists of 67,500 trees. Can anyone direct me to an agent that buys agarwood trees and resin from Cambodia. I have a buyer from the middle-east who wants to buy the trees, but he wants to include the land with the price for the trees. I don't want to loose my land. I just want to sell my trees. I think he knows that because I don't know the agarwood market, he can do whatever he wants. I would appreciated if anybody can direct me to a buyer or the agarwood trading company to see my trees. Please contact me at: artillary081304@yahoo.com

If I got my figures correct, you are planting a tree every 4 sqm...is this correct, seems very close.

They also quote 10,000b per tree. So this equates to over 18 million DOLLARS for your plantation in 6 years ??? or 3 million per year for the six years you have to wait.....or 53,000 baht per rai per month income.

Me's thinks something fishy in cambodia.

What do you think your chances are of processing this in Cambodia with all your body parts still intact ?

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Isn't anyone going to mention that rubber trees are highly toxic and that no animals or birds live in rubber plantations? Thanks to the rubber industry, lowland jungles across the planet have been cut down to make plantations.

Don't any of you well-wishers care at all about the environment? geez...

I do not believe anyone in here was commenting on chopping down virgin rainforest or even deflowered rainforest for a rubber plantation.

Now if this forest had huge stands of teak in it....maybe....

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Nawtilus

Below is an interesting extract from a site by Purdue University. The site is a bit dated in places but gives a good overview, in a usable manner, of tropical agriculture.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/tropical/

Yield

The oil palm is extremely responsive to encironmental conditions and yields therefore show great variation. The course of yield over time, however, shows a clear trend, rising to a maximum in the first few years (6-8 years after planting in the field), usually declining slowly thereafter. In well managed plantations in Malaysia and Sumatra, on soils with a reasonable availability of nutrients and a good water-holding capacity under uniform and adequate rainfall, yields of bunches of 24-32 t/ha are common. At the factory, extraction rates of oil with reference to bunch weight are 20-22%; this represents oil yields of 4.8-7 t/ha, which is higher than in any other oil crop.

If you use history to predict the future for oil palm and rubber, you will find that each has good times and bad times. Taking advantage of opportunity with a little common sense plays a large part.

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I thought I would give an update to my wife's rubber tree situation. As I stated in an earlier post in this thread, she bought 17 rai with mature rubber trees for 35,000 baht/rai. She claims that the yields from this land were lower than average and that she suspects that the previous owner used some sort of gas on the trees to caused them to produce more rubber before the owner went ahead and sold the land to her. Because nobody could cut the rubber now during this rainy season, she asked her family to try to sell the land.

The 17 rai has been sold to someone that knows about the low rubber production. I assume they plan on chopping down the trees, selling them, then planting something else in their place. They bought the land for 50,000 baht/rai.

My wife still has 10 rai with trees that are about 5 years old as well as another 6 rai that also will be ready to cut soon. Once these trees start producing, I'll try to let everyone know what kind of production she is getting from them.

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I wonder what they used on the rubber trees. Following is a quote from Purdue University lecture.

"It has even been found that very light applications of 2,4-D or such growth regulators as ethephon just below the tapping cut can increase the yield as much as 30% without damaging the tree."

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Hi Timber,

Since you advised me to first have the soil of our lan tested before going into planting rubber tree, we haven't made a lot of progress (lack of time).

Very recently, my wife asked a local guy (somebody working for the goverment and helping farmers who want to develop such projects) to have a look to her land and to tell her if it is suitable for rubber trees (location, drainage,...).

According to him the land is good and the water supply should not be a problem. Nevertheless, as it is located in the middle of flat fields with nothing elevated which could somehow protect the trees from the wind, he said that it could a problem and that the rubber tapping could quickly run dry.

What do you think about it ? Are these trees so sensitive that one really needs to carefully select the plot of land according to its location and main wind direction ?

Thank you for your help :o

Bud

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Keep it going guys great thread. My missus keeps dropping hints about buying some rubber tree (land) instead of a house I keep hearing it's an investment

Good work

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Bud,

I'm the first to admit that I don't know all there is to know about rubber, and maybe some that do don't. I am a forester from the west coast of Canada so don't know a lot about tropical trees. I don't really see the relationship between wind and flat ground. There might be a problem with drainage, but I don't know the ground. Where bouts are you Bud? What area are you located. Wind can be a problem if you don't have enough moisture as it may elevate the transpiration rate and lower the humidity, but you said you had enough moisture. Not telling you what to do, but should check out drip irrigation as it keeps the trees moist, but not wet and easy to fertilize. You have an investment and proper moisture and fertlizer to the trees may significally increase the return.

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For those with a bit of a scientific vent, this is an interesting article on intercropping tea with rubber. If you are planting rubber a good idea to intercrop something especially legrumes

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Timber,

I’m an engineer from Belgium and I have never been involved in any farming activities. So please, be sure that I’m very happy to find some nice guy like you ready to share their experience and to provide some valuable advices. Thank you for this.

Regarding the land, we have 3 main plots located at about 50 kms of Roi-Et.

Each of them are currently rice fields and indeed we will certainly need to make some investments in order to rearrange the land (make it flat and may be improve the drainage), to apply adequate fertilizer (to be determined after soil check) and probably to dig some wells allowing to ensure that a proper moisture will be maintained. I don’t know yet how much all this will cost, but I’ll certainly try to figure it out before really going any further.

As I said in my previous post, I’m slightly bothered about this possible concern regarding the wind. There is indeed no elevated obstacle anywhere around and it seems, according to the guy who checked our land, that the wind could quickly affect the tapping itself. He said that during windy period the rubber will dry on the trunk instead of leaking along the tapping. Still according to him, it should be better to look for some other lands located somewhere along a forest.

If we consider that he is right, do you think that installing a drip irrigation system could be helpful?

I heard that in south of France, farmers are sometimes planting a hedge of bamboos around their fields in order to protect them from the wind. If the wind is really an issue, do you think that it could help?

If anybody else has ever heard something about this possible wind issue, please do not hesitate to post your advices.

Thank you.

Bud

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Thanks Bud

for the information. It puts it more into perspective. I am talking mostly about the south which is a lot more productive, but maybe less so if you have a drip system. You should make sure it is applicable for your situation with a proper return on investment. I still am not too sure about the drying out of the rubber on the tree. There are others in Issan that grow rubber. I would think on the flats facing the wind would be less than a hillside facing the wind for. He might have a point if the area is open. I keep forgetting there are areas in this world without mountains and forests. Since you are on the flats, find out where the main wind flow comes from and plant something like the tea intercrop that I mentioned in the preceeding post to serve as a wind buffer for about twenty to fifty meters. You could plant bamboo if that seems to be the best crop. There are a lot of things you can plant on the peremeter to cut down the wind. I don't know the topography to sense whether there would be a problem with wind shears. There is a farming forum that caters more to the Roi Et people in the General section of the main forum. I am sure some of the people there have planted rubber in the open. I post material here as I want to keep this forum alive until I move south and also talk to people I can meet. I would suggest that you try to contact people in your area, there are some in the farming forum, to see if rubber is the best crop. There are certainly less headaches. Review what you want to do.

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My husband's cousin is growing rubber trees here on Koh Phangan, they seem to be doing quite well, but then our humidity is always quite high.

How difficult is it to make the rubber "sheets" and do you think the need for transporting it to the mainland would reduce the profit?

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Making the latex sheets isn't hard if you have the right equipment. Some pans and a roller and chemicals. It is just labour intensive. Surely you can find someone to observe. The processed sheets are then dried and hauled to a buyer. Just stack them in back of a pickup and haul. There should be buyers in ST. The whole process require some skill and knowledge and shouldn't be a problem to do it yourself if in reasonable shape, but is fairly labor intensive and that is why a lot of people subcontract it for 40 - 50% Always be aware that someone is itching to steal your rubber and equipment.

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