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I wrote in the middle of the text, that there were about 76 trees/rai.

And usually, you can choose what u buy. At special places of course.

Sorry, sorry, sorry Ramses, stupid of me. I didn't see it probably because of the wonderful Christmas wine and dine, not a clear head yet :o .

It means it's even better news: the 600 brings 4 kg/year, the 251 even more than 6 kg.

Can you fill me in on "special places" to buy excellent trees?

Thanks

Joe

lol, this happens hicks....

Yes this figures look not as fantastic as the chinese that i posted before, but they are still great and more real , because this information is right from a government-page. I guess also at this places you can get this RRIT251. On that pages are many phonenumbers which you can connect to. As my wife told me there were some for Isaan too. But we didnt check it out on. Mybe if I have more time. But your family also can check it out. I am still here in Germany and waiting for my time to come to move to Thailand. (1,5 to 2 years I guess)

Also we called to my mother in Law yesterday and asked about the rubbertrees on our farm. It showed up that not all trees are doing

same well. To half of the trees they were giving fertilizer twice already, but the other half just once to now, because we have not enough money to send to Thaland right now. (To many taxes to pay here at the end of a year :-(

We planted about May as I wrote before. The half with two times fertilizer is now a bit more than 2 meters high. the other half is just somwhere at 1.30 meters. it is unbeleivable what fertilizer can do. my wife will go in february to check out our farm and put the second time fertilizer to the other half. and then it is also time for some extra fertilizer, 2kg per tree once a year to give.

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hello friend2,

looks like you are making a small fortune with your mahogany trees.

here are some real market prices for your trees:

For US Market per Cu.m

Mahogany 1C&B, KD 16%

Central American market US$1170-1200

Mahogany 1C&B, KD 16%

US market US$1230-1290

What I heard, a Rubbertree at sellingtime has got 1 to 1.5 Cubic meters

so a 18 year old Mahogany should be some more. lets say one tree about 3 Cubic meters

thats a 3 x 1200 x 50 = 180,000 dollars. If you have got access to the market.

Of course the Touchwoodpeople are making some money with your investment too.

Happy new year to everyone!!

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some very nice information can be found here.

it shows the advantage of partial irrigation in dry regions,

and explains that the yield can increase beyond 100 percent with it.

some other great tables are shown with intercropping results and different

types of rubbertrees.

http://rubberboard.org.in/articlesdisplay.asp

you have to klick on the link: Natural Rubber Research in India:Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow

Edited by Ramses

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I cant beleive what I am reading.

Rubberwood in 2004 was at 80 to 90 dollars per cubicmeter

right now it is between 175 to 200 dollars per cubicmeter

I just learnd on some pages, that high yield latex timber trees

can generat an avarage of 40 cubicmeters per Rai.

That would be a minimum of 7000 dollars per Rai about 250,000 baht per rai.

my friend told me somthing between 100,000 to 150,000 baht per rai.

the pricinformation can be found on this page: http://www.globalwood.org/market1/aaw20061201.htm

prices are from december 2006 scrolling down to indonesia and log prices

there are some prices for farmed mahogany too. it is only at about 600dollars per cubic meters.

looks like there is some difference between some mahogany trees.

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This Post is from Jai Dee in another Thread:

About 20 rubber knowledge centers will be set up in the North and Northeast

The Agriculture Department will set up 15-20 rubber knowledge centers in the north and northeastern regions to teach new rubber growers planting techniques.

Department deputy chief Sukhawat Chantharapannik (สุขวัฒน์ จันทรปรรณิก) said growers will learn the techniques from demonstration plantations and will exchange knowledge and experience on rubber production among themselves.

Mr. Sukhawat said the department expected the 145,000 new rubber farmers will earn at least 6,600 baht per rai compared to 3,720 baht per rai from cassava and 1,620 baht per rai from rice.

Rubber has already been grown in about 850,000 rai in the North and Northeast.

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Can't believe I only now see this thread . . .

Ok, after having finally brought our bio-diesel mini-refinery to production near Loei (and due to the rare cold-spell in Isaan we are taking a break . . . :o ) the next project is rubber.

We have been researching this for about one and a half years, I've been to my brother-in-law's plantation in Sarawak several times and spent time with the Malaysian Rubber Board pencilnecks and the time is about right for our product to come to market in about 2 months or so . . .

I don't want to go into too much detail, suffice it to say that yields incrase by roughly 2-3 times for more mature, 10-15 years old, trees and double for younger ones.

Rubber prices will only increase in the medium to long term, so this is the agro-business to be in - - - the government having stuffed up bio-fuel planning right royally.

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Hello Sanuk Joe,

here is a telephonenumber where you can order RRIT251 trees:084-0511899

or mail them: Ailada2005@hotmail.com

(dont know where in thailand they are)

found on the page: http://www.yangpara.com/

on the top left

best regards

ramses

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I am new to this board. All great discussion and information.

I am living at Suratthani. We are doing both oil palm and rubber plantation.

For the whole year 2006, the yield for our oil palm is approximately around 4.8 tons per rai per year which return to profit around 10,000 bath per rai per year (already exclude all expense). I think it is pretty good return. I don't have hard info about our rubber just yet.

However, I would like to simply compare with the yield from rubber plantation.

Assuming we got about 300 kg per rai per year with average price around 70. We should have the revenue about 300*70 = 21,000 * 0.6 (60%) = 12,600 bath per rai per year. This doesn't exclude fertilization expense and other expenses just yet.

So, I think it 's pretty competitive comparison. The best is to do both IMO.

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I am new to this board. All great discussion and information.

I am living at Suratthani. We are doing both oil palm and rubber plantation.

For the whole year 2006, the yield for our oil palm is approximately around 4.8 tons per rai per year which return to profit around 10,000 bath per rai per year (already exclude all expense). I think it is pretty good return. I don't have hard info about our rubber just yet.

However, I would like to simply compare with the yield from rubber plantation.

Assuming we got about 300 kg per rai per year with average price around 70. We should have the revenue about 300*70 = 21,000 * 0.6 (60%) = 12,600 bath per rai per year. This doesn't exclude fertilization expense and other expenses just yet.

So, I think it 's pretty competitive comparison. The best is to do both IMO.

Hi, welcome here and thanks for the info you supplied.

I have a small question concerning palm oil. You went from a 40% part of the yield in rubber, due to cutting labour, correct. What would you estimate being the labour in palm oil? Is it more/less time consuming, work every day?

Thanks for info

Joe

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I am new to this board. All great discussion and information.

I am living at Suratthani. We are doing both oil palm and rubber plantation.

For the whole year 2006, the yield for our oil palm is approximately around 4.8 tons per rai per year which return to profit around 10,000 bath per rai per year (already exclude all expense). I think it is pretty good return. I don't have hard info about our rubber just yet.

However, I would like to simply compare with the yield from rubber plantation.

Assuming we got about 300 kg per rai per year with average price around 70. We should have the revenue about 300*70 = 21,000 * 0.6 (60%) = 12,600 bath per rai per year. This doesn't exclude fertilization expense and other expenses just yet.

So, I think it 's pretty competitive comparison. The best is to do both IMO.

Hi, welcome here and thanks for the info you supplied.

I have a small question concerning palm oil. You went from a 40% part of the yield in rubber, due to cutting labour, correct. What would you estimate being the labour in palm oil? Is it more/less time consuming, work every day?

Thanks for info

Joe

Hi Joe,

Yes, 40% is the labour cost for the most part of our area (50% for some steep area). For the palm oil, it depends on how high is the palm tree. For the tree less than 15 year old, the labor cost is about 0.35-0.4 bath/kg (about 10% of revenue). They are always working during the day time from 8am to 5pm everyday if palms are available to cut.

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I am new to this board. All great discussion and information.

I am living at Suratthani. We are doing both oil palm and rubber plantation.

For the whole year 2006, the yield for our oil palm is approximately around 4.8 tons per rai per year which return to profit around 10,000 bath per rai per year (already exclude all expense). I think it is pretty good return. I don't have hard info about our rubber just yet.

However, I would like to simply compare with the yield from rubber plantation.

Assuming we got about 300 kg per rai per year with average price around 70. We should have the revenue about 300*70 = 21,000 * 0.6 (60%) = 12,600 bath per rai per year. This doesn't exclude fertilization expense and other expenses just yet.

So, I think it 's pretty competitive comparison. The best is to do both IMO.

Hi, welcome here and thanks for the info you supplied.

I have a small question concerning palm oil. You went from a 40% part of the yield in rubber, due to cutting labour, correct. What would you estimate being the labour in palm oil? Is it more/less time consuming, work every day?

Thanks for info

Joe

Hi Joe,

Yes, 40% is the labour cost for the most part of our area (50% for some steep area). For the palm oil, it depends on how high is the palm tree. For the tree less than 15 year old, the labor cost is about 0.35-0.4 bath/kg (about 10% of revenue). They are always working during the day time from 8am to 5pm everyday if palms are available to cut.

Thanks mate.

Could you give us a rough idea of the selling price of palm oil now? Only if you want, it's no must.

I ask because I think labour in my area (Isaan) will be cheaper than in the south, so I might come out with a higher return to profit.

Just for your info: I have no trees at all now :o but will start soon. I'm still doubting between rubber and palm oil. I'm a bit disappointed by the figures of 250 kg rubber per rai per year as given by the ministry. That would mean by a price of 60 baht and 60%: 250 x 60 x 0.6 = 9000 baht per rai, excl. fertilizer etcetera.

Interesting to hear your input here.

Thanks

Joe

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Hello Sanuk Joe,

here is a telephonenumber where you can order RRIT251 trees:084-0511899

or mail them: Ailada2005@hotmail.com

(dont know where in thailand they are)

found on the page: http://www.yangpara.com/

on the top left

best regards

ramses

Thanks Ramses, wrote them an email already.

Cheers

Joe

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No problem Joe, the price of palm oil varies between 2.5 to 3 bath/kg depending on many factors (similar to rubber price), but it 's more stable than rubber price. However, I am not sure about planting palm tree on Isaan area cuz palm tree kindda like water (I think you need more research on this, or some experts on your area might have some techniques). Another thing is to yield 4.8 tons per rai per year requires intensive maintenance and enough fertilization.

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