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Any comments of the following? Seems to be a bit different that anything I have seen before.

The Bangkok Post carried an article with the following processing of oil to bio-diesel:

1. Filter oil to get rid of the food particles (if cooking oil.)

2. Boil at 60 degrees Celsius for about 10 minutes.

3. Add to every 75 liters of refined oil

• 15 liters of methyl alcohol

• 500 grammes of baking soda

4. Stir for one to two minutes

5. Leave mixture over night

6. When the top layer solidifies remove and add water.

7. Let the mixture sit in the sun for a few days and then is ready for use.

The team said they had used for four years and no problems to date.

They buy cooking oil for 4.5 baht per litre and say that their costs are 18 baht per litre.

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My wife purchased 100 rai in Nakhon Si Thammarat last year. The land price was 15,000 baht per rai (title has been changed to her name at ampur). It is being turned into an oil palm plantation. We are not going to be living in Nakhon Si Thammart but nearby around Songkhla and were worried about not being able to keep an eye on a rubber crop so we decided on palm. It seems that a lot of rubber production goes missing when the owner is not around to watch it.

Palm is harvested twice a month and we can be onsite during the harvest. It has been a bit of a worrying start with the recent heavy flooding down here. About 100 trees were lost of the 2,000 planted. We are now having to go in and raise a low patch on the property which can be done for about 1,200 per rai.

The prices I have seen for existing palm and rubber plantations is over the top. It seems much better to buy raw land and do it yourself if you have the time. Palm will take 3-4 years to start producing and rubber will take about 7.

With the current prices for palm and rubber it seems land can be a good earner in the future. I'm betting commodity prices continue to rise though. I am hoping with the advent of bio-diesel that the palm price can be at least stabalized where it is now and hopefully move higher.

Feel free to PM me if I might be of help.

Hi

Myself and my gf are thinking of doing something similar.

We are both very surprised at how cheap you bought your land.

Without giving away too much personal info. can you tell us where you purchased the land ?

Where my gf lives it costs about 250,000 baht for 1 rai !!!!!

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The land is for agriculture use in Nakhon Si Thammarat. We purchased it a few years ago. Land prices have increased a-lot since then. 40,000 baht a rai is still a standard rate on basic agriculture land though. Your wife might be looking at land too close to a city or town?

For 35,000-50,000 baht you should still be able to get decent agriculture land with a good title these days. I just passed on 30 rai chanote in Chiang Yai for 40,000 baht per rai.

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The land is for agriculture use in Nakhon Si Thammarat. We purchased it a few years ago. Land prices have increased a-lot since then. 40,000 baht a rai is still a standard rate on basic agriculture land though. Your wife might be looking at land too close to a city or town?

For 35,000-50,000 baht you should still be able to get decent agriculture land with a good title these days. I just passed on 30 rai chanote in Chiang Yai for 40,000 baht per rai.

There seems to be a big difference in prices.

My gf's land has mature fruit trees and is approx 8km from the city.Amphur Muang.

Where is your land situated ?

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could someone tell me the life span of a Palm tree ?

i understand it starts producing after 3 or 4 years ?

also is the wood of any use ?

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Palm "wood" does not really have any value. It's not really a wood, more a large plant stock. Rubber wood is quite valuable. The numbers you have on production starting times are correct. Keep in mind that though they do start producing at those ages (3-4 years for palm, 7 for rubber) the production is not high when that young.

There are a lot of good figures on palm from Malaysia (in English) that you can find on the internet.

As for land price. 35-40,000 thousand baht per rai barely makes sense to me for exclusively agriculture land. You will still turn a decent proffit in the long run at current crude palm and rubber prices but there is always risk in owning a farm/plantation - floods,fire,insects etc.

If you're paying anything over 40,000 baht per rai for agriculture land, it makes much more sense to me to just put the money in a cd earning 6-7% per year. Way less risk (depending on the currency - I'm not a US Dollar fan!).

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Palm "wood" does not really have any value. It's not really a wood, more a large plant stock. Rubber wood is quite valuable. The numbers you have on production starting times are correct. Keep in mind that though they do start producing at those ages (3-4 years for palm, 7 for rubber) the production is not high when that young.

There are a lot of good figures on palm from Malaysia (in English) that you can find on the internet.

As for land price. 35-40,000 thousand baht per rai barely makes sense to me for exclusively agriculture land. You will still turn a decent proffit in the long run at current crude palm and rubber prices but there is always risk in owning a farm/plantation - floods,fire,insects etc.

If you're paying anything over 40,000 baht per rai for agriculture land, it makes much more sense to me to just put the money in a cd earning 6-7% per year. Way less risk (depending on the currency - I'm not a US Dollar fan!).

Many thanks for the info.

I don't suppose you can approximate the return on 1 rai of land per year for both palm and rubber at current prices ?

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martaway not sure of your background so I speak of things you may know about.

There are so many variables involved in what you are asking that no one can answer that question for

your situation, and the variables may cause a 200% difference or more. Whether you water, fertilize etc. The stock

you use, how often you tap or harvest, etc. Prices can change 100% in a given year. You just have to do lots of surfing and make your own assessment. Can take someone from an university or government to your site and have them assess it. Bottom lines is, what you decide on doing will have a major effect on the outcome. If you want to make money there are better crops to grow, but may need more attention. A

pretty good investment is to surf this and the farming forum. Much of the information you need is there. Be careful about relying too much on

what someone else says.

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Just a few personal experiences.

I purchased some of my land @ 10,000 Baht per Rai for larger plots and I purchased small plots and paid 50,000 per Rai in the village.

My brother in law (Thai) purchased land close to Chian Yai town for 300,000 Baht for 1 room (5 by 15 meters), so it just depends where in the area you are.

Palm. I had 9 rai plot of palm planted last year and it all got eaten and died from rats. It is a major problem in the early stages, if I had the time or the thought, I could of got the family to look after it, but I didnt..........

Timber or one of the other posters might have posted regarding this already :o

good luck with it all martaway.

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HI ALL JUST FOUND THIS FORUM ON A GOOGLE SEARCH, SO SORRY FOR BUTTING IN. QUICK HISTORY MARRIED A THAI GIRL 2 YEARS AGO, WHO COMES FROM SURRAT THANNI SHE HAD 100 RAI OF RUBBER (2 YEARS OLD) ALTOGETHER THE FAMMILY HAVE ABOUT 260 RAI MOST ALREADY BEING CUT. THEY HAVE BEEN GROWING RUBBER FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND THE PRICE HAS STEADILY INCREASED, AND WILL DO FOR YERAS TO COME, HOWEVER MANY RUBBER FARMERS ARE NOW CUTTING AND CLEARING THERE OLD RUBBER AND PLANTING PALM, AS THIS IS A MUCH QUICKER CROP A MORE LUCRATIVE CROP AND REQUIRES MUCH LESS CARE.

HOWEVER IF YOU WANT TO KEEP GROWING RUBBER DEMAND WILL OUTWAY SUPPLY FOR MANY MANY YEARS TO COME AS SYNTHETIC RUBBER ALBEIT EXCELLENT CANT REPLACE NATURAL RUBBER.

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'RUGBYPAUL2'

Not bad comments. The history of oil palm and rubber seems to be that they each have ups and downs. I think you have to make a decision and go with it. Both will do well in the long term for different reasons. If you look over your shoulder you won't do a good job at either. If rubber is down it will probably bounce back. hehe

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My wife purchased 100 rai in Nakhon Si Thammarat last year. The land price was 15,000 baht per rai (title has been changed to her name at ampur). It is being turned into an oil palm plantation. We are not going to be living in Nakhon Si Thammart but nearby around Songkhla and were worried about not being able to keep an eye on a rubber crop so we decided on palm. It seems that a lot of rubber production goes missing when the owner is not around to watch it.

Palm is harvested twice a month and we can be onsite during the harvest. It has been a bit of a worrying start with the recent heavy flooding down here. About 100 trees were lost of the 2,000 planted. We are now having to go in and raise a low patch on the property which can be done for about 1,200 per rai.

The prices I have seen for existing palm and rubber plantations is over the top. It seems much better to buy raw land and do it yourself if you have the time. Palm will take 3-4 years to start producing and rubber will take about 7.

With the current prices for palm and rubber it seems land can be a good earner in the future. I'm betting commodity prices continue to rise though. I am hoping with the advent of bio-diesel that the palm price can be at least stabalized where it is now and hopefully move higher.

Feel free to PM me if I might be of help.

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Hi Azul,

My wife has about 10 rai of land up coast aways and she has oil palm on it. Is only three years old and just getting ready to produce. She has a lot of family in the area so haven't done much except fetilize.

I was wondering about buying more land and growing some more, but I don't have the slightest clue on how much reture their is on oil palm production. I can figure it out from research information, but I was wondering what they are really getting from a practical sense. Just want to figure out the return on investment. Can you help me?

Thanks

Hi Azul,

As you know price of Oil Palm is going up and african's countries is now planting a lot of Oil Palm trees because of the demand. With this demand, we have produced a nutrient for Oil Palm trees to enable it to produce double the yield and promote health. Plants exhibit stronger growth with increased resistance againts diseases, have higher rate of flowering and fruit setting and improves the quality of fruits. The nutrient is easy to use, save and cost saving. We are now exporting to India, Indonesia, Sri Lanka and a few more. Please do not hesitate to write to me for further question, thank you.

Regards,

Jeffrey Man

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