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Interesting from todays Guardian..but they had better be quick with just a few days to go..:

Owen Hargreaves, the player United want to replace Keane in midfield, may be nearer a move to Old Trafford now that Bayern Munich have brought in Holland's Mark van Bommel from Barcelona. United plan to reinstigate negotiations with the German champions to see whether they might be more inclined to sell the England player.

Van Bommel concluded an £8m deal over the weekend, although Bayern say he has been brought to replace Michael Ballack rather than Hargreaves. United, nevertheless, intend to resume talks before Thursday.

United are understood to be willing to pay up to £20m for Hargreaves, who has repeatedly made it clear that he wants a move to Old Trafford and who was an unused substitute in Bayern's scoreless draw against Nuremberg on Saturday.

The possibility of a replacement for Ruud van Nistelrooy being signed by United cannot be discounted either and there were unconfirmed reports in France yesterday that Sir Alex Ferguson had identified David Trezeguet of Juventus as his target.

Agents in Italy have been made aware that Trezeguet is available in the wake of Serie A's match-fixing inquiry and, according to L'Equipe, United and Lyon are among the possible suitors.

Trezeguet.. maybe, but more of a stop gap if it goes through I think..

Oh, and of course the FA are now accusing Fergie of exaggerating Rio's injury..here we go.. :o

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why you not keen on him redrus he has a great record and i think he would be excellent for us.

You know when you just get that feeling....? I had it with Djemba x2 and Klebfoot. I know Trez is in a totally different league and, I have also been wrong a few times, I just don't think he's United.

I had also set my heart on Torres :o , though I still think we should have got Duff too, esp at that price....!

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duff was never comming to united no way chelsea will sell any player to us,duff would have been a great buy.

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duff was never comming to united no way chelsea will sell any player to us,duff would have been a great buy.

Mate, I think in they're arrogance, they would've.

3 players we should have got on the cheap this summer, 2, I would've loved and 1, only as a gap filler.

Duff, Viera and................., Gallas. All good players, that we should've at least put in offers for....!

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Spot on there.. Duff would have been a great buy, and Gallas not bad either..

Meanwhile..

Van Bommel lets the cat out of the bag?

"I have left Barcelona because there were not enough guarantees that I would play every week."

"But at Bayern Munich the chances of playing are so much bigger - they told me that with Ballack gone and Hargreaves close to leaving the club."

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Seems I was a little premature with that last post, this from the BBC today:

Hargreaves says Man Utd deal off

Owen Hargreaves has admitted defeat in his bid to join Manchester United, according to his agent.

The England midfielder was keen to leave Bayern Munich for Old Trafford, but the German club have refused to sanction the transfer.

Hargreaves' agent Roman Grill said: "We have to accept there is no way Bayern will allow this transfer to happen.

"His only hope is that if United reamin interested in him the deal could happen at a later date."

United have been chasing Hargreaves and were thought to be willing to pay £17m for the player, who was one of England's few success stories at the World Cup.

But Bayern general manager Uli Hoeness underlined his club's intention to hold on to Hargreaves, even after the arrival of Mark van Bommel.

Hoeness said: "Owen stays - you can bet your house on that. Manchester United will have to plan without him."

It had been thought Van Bommel's move from Barcelona could pave the way for Hargreaves to join Manchester United.

Van Bommel himself was quoted as saying Hargreaves was "close to leaving". But Hoeness again insisted on Monday: "We want to move forward with Mark and Owen. We would be crazy to sign Van Bommel as a replacement for Hargreaves."

Van Bommel has signed a three-year deal, believed to be in the region of £8m, with the German giants after undergoing a medical on Monday.

He is now being seen as a replacement for Germany captain Michael Ballack, who moved to Chelsea earlier in the summer.

But when speaking prior to completing his move to the German club, Van Bommel had been quoted as saying: "I have left Barcelona because there were not enough guarantees that I would play every week.

"At Bayern the chances of playing are bigger, they told me, with Ballack gone and Owen Hargreaves close to leaving the club."

But it now appears Hargreaves, who is under contract until 2010 at Bayern, will have to put on hold a move to the Premiership until at least January.

It could be last minute brinkmanship but I don't think so.. pity really, I quite liked the idea of him joining us.

Another transfer target failure... :o

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Very interesting post Nev, thanks. I didn't know that..

Makes sense though.. courted by Arsenal and United.. Champions League guaranteed, yet go to West Ham,. Very strange.

Looks like we're going ahead with the squad we've got now.. minus Rossi until January of course..

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Should be of interest to you reds.

Last night at 8.30 pm on UBC XYTE channel there was an hour programme called '??? survive' about the Munich disaster. It'll be repeated sometime no doubt, check it out.

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Cheers Bred, I'll keep my eyes open.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch,....;

David 'Capable Hands' Gill: "We were also offered Mascherano but we didn't want to go for him."

In an interview on BBC Five Live's Sportsweek programme:

"We were never interested in Tevez.

"We were also offered Mascherano but we didn't want to go for him.

"We were offered Mascherano for a significant sum at the start of the summer and also last week on a loan deal.

"We had watched him last season but the manager and his staff didn't want to pursue him.

"While he is clearly a very good player it was decided he wasn't required at the club."

What a crock o <deleted>....!, so we don't want two of the best and most promissing players around then, don't we...., good enough to beat anyone out there are we.....?

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to be fair redrus not many soth american players have settled well in the north of england and been a success.

save the money get torres and hargreaves for next season. imho.

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I read that Torres has signed a one year contract extension, making him available for offers from January, and I think we'd really benefit from Hargreaves. Let's hope at least one of these deals can go through.

Meanwhile, I saw this in the Independent:

Liverpool's bid to build a new stadium will take a major step forward on Friday when the city council will recommend leasing part of Stanley Park for a new stadium.

What to call it? Stanley Knife Park, maybe.. or The San Giro..

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to be fair redrus not many soth american players have settled well in the north of england and been a success.

save the money get torres and hargreaves for next season. imho.

Fair point nev but, I don't think admitting thatwe were not interested in either is true. Fergie was desperate for signings this summer, its just not right, something is not ringing true.

I would rather have Owen and Torres though so.......... :D

I read that Torres has signed a one year contract extension, making him available for offers from January, and I think we'd really benefit from Hargreaves. Let's hope at least one of these deals can go through.

Meanwhile, I saw this in the Independent:

Liverpool's bid to build a new stadium will take a major step forward on Friday when the city council will recommend leasing part of Stanley Park for a new stadium.

What to call it? Stanley Knife Park, maybe.. or The San Giro..

LOL.

Who cares, as long as we only have to go to the dump once a year oh, and we win.... :o

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I'd like to think our transfer policy was as refined at this article suggests...

MEN on new English requirements

WHISPER this very carefully north of the border, but Fergie wants his players stamped: ‘Made in England.’

The canny Scot has seen the way the wind is blowing in the UEFA corridors of power and knows home-bred players will soon be at a premium as new restrictions bite.

UEFA have already implemented a rule this season that at least two players on the A list of players on the squad roster that is sent to the European soccer body for the Champions League must be academy trained by the club and two must be academy trained by a club in that association.

By 2009, that will double: so United will need to have four players they have brought through themselves, and another four who have come through the ranks at other English clubs.

It looks as if United’s transfer policy is already taking UEFA’s direction into account.

Having been handicapped in the early 1990s by the ‘foreigner rule’ that arguably cost the 1994 Dream Team a European Cup, United will be at pains to comply and ensure any further possible UEFA directives don’t catch them out.

Whether it’s UEFA red tape or a previous successful blueprint driving Old Trafford’s transfer thoughts, it appears United are going to take on the role of English bulldogs again.

There is already an English flavour about the make-up of Fergie’s United squad.

Old Trafford’s chief executive David Gill has revealed that the Reds did not want the Argentinian World Cup pair Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano – outrageously snatched by West Ham last week.

Even though Tevez and Mascherano have been classed as two of the most promising 22-year-olds in world football, Fergie and his backroom team had concluded after much monitoring that neither of the South Americans fitted into United’s plans for the future.

And one argument for ruling out the Corinthians duo could well be that Ferguson has had his fingers burnt when dabbling in the South American market.

Certainly Fergie’s summer focus has been on the Three Lions.

England World Cup squad member Michael Carrick was captured for £18.6m from Spurs and his midfield colleague in the international set up, Owen Hargreaves, was a well-documented target and still remains top of the United manager’s wish list.

West Ham’s Nigel Reo-Coker was also linked with an Old Trafford switch.

In the same time that United’s South American investments proved so costly, Ferguson’s major English purchases have been value for money.

Rio Ferdinand (£30m) and Wayne Rooney (£30m) are certainly in the credit column.

While United have had their success stories during the glory years with north European buys such as Eric Cantona, Peter Schmeichel, Jaap Stam and Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the backbone has been very much wrapped in a St George’s flag.

That backbone has run from Steve Bruce, Bryan Robson, Gary Pallister, Paul Parker and Paul Ince, through to David Beckham, Gary and Phil Neville, Nicky Butt, Paul Scholes and Andy Cole and now Ferdinand, Rooney, Carrick and Co.

United have Ferdinand, Carrick, Wes Brown, and Kieran Richardson on current England duty.

Rooney is suspended but will be immediately back in Steve McClaren’s squad once his ban has finished just as Gary Neville will be restored when fit.

English players certainly know what is needed in the Premiership Fergie knows that, as he bids to rebuild United’s challenge at home and abroad, he can ill afford the time to allow newcomers to bed into a new UEFA culture.'

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HHHhhmmmm, something you'd like to believe in there. That ol pud needs to be proved though eh, I really am trying to upbeat about this season but, our lack of drive in the transfer market coupled with the remaining unrest at the hands of the Glazer family, still leaves me un-nerved.

Cheers MP's. :o

One of those English lads, gets an Opta with Keano.

Since Roy Keane’s departure by mutual consent in November of 2005, Sir Alex Ferguson has had trouble attempting to fill the void left in the central midfield anchorman role.

Ferguson has attempted to replace him with Juan Sebastian Veron, Eric Djemba-Djemba and even Alan Smith but Keane has until now been irreplaceable. Is Michael Carrick, the £18 million signing from Tottenham Hotspur the right man to replace him?

It would be foolish to expect Carrick to control the central midfield area in the same way that Keane would have done, as the two players are completely different specimens, Carrick lacks the imposing aggressive stature that made Keane such a fearsome player to face.

Carrick represents a different kind of player, the intelligent ball playing anchorman in the mould of Italy’s Andrea Pirlo, or in previous years Argentina’s Fernando Redondo or Spain’s Josep Guardiola.

Keane’s speciality was his tireless box to box running, whilst Carrick is renowned more for his elegant passes, and therefore prefers the ball to do the work.

Opta have looked at comparisons between the two players, the last full season for Roy Keane (2004-05) and the 2005/06 season for Michael Carrick.

Roy Keane had a high successful passing percentage of 89% compared to Carrick’s 80%, one factor affecting this may be Carrick’s inclination to play the long ball more often than Keane.

Unsurprisingly Keane conceded more fouls and also received more bookings than Carrick over the compared seasons but Carrick’s total of six assists promises to add a new level of creativity to the United midfield.

Player Roy Keane Michael Carrick

Team Manchester United Tottenham Hotspur

Season 2004-05 2005-06

Appearances 31 35

Minutes On Pitch 2,611 3,123

Goal Attempts

Goals 1 2

Shots On Target 6 10

Shots Off Target 10 12

Shooting Accuracy 38% 45%

Chance Conversion 6% 9%

Passing

Goal Assists 2 6

Total Passes 2,210 1,938

Pass Completion % 89% 80%

Crossing

Total Crosses 42 231

Cross Completion % 40% 31%

Dribbling

Dribbles & Runs 123 108

Dribble Completion % 82% 79%

Defending

Tackles Made 160 135

Tackles Won % 67% 74%

Blocks 15 15

Clearances 47 115

Interceptions 47 60

Discipline

Fouls 37 19

Offside 4 0

Yellow Cards 9 2

Red Cards 0 0

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