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Phuket Opinion: Corruption And The Duality Of Man


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THailand is a rapidly changing country. As industry expands so do the artisan and middle classes. THis is unavoidable - the result is an increasingly trained and educated populace. This results in more people wanting a say in the way society is run and more people questioning the current state of things. THis is an inevitable part of industrialisation.......as such they also question the widespread corruption they encounter when they try to get a slice of the new cake.

Anyone who thinks that Thailand is in some sort of stasis is unaware of what is happening around them.

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I love how HKP never address this issue of BTB when it is brought up.Now why would that be?

Back on topic, I see on a daily basis of people being threatened when they want to park in a public spot, yet the illegal black plate taxis rush up and tell them no parking in a hostile and threatening way. If there wasn't corruption, this practice would not be tolerated. And just for you HKP, this is on a daily and ongoing basis, not a one off as you like to seem to make things, since of course all this is never reported.

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I love how HKP never address this issue of BTB when it is brought up.Now why would that be?

coffee1.gif Yeh what a mystery. Might need Sherlock Holmes for that one. coffee1.gif

Why is it that many posts degenerate into petty bickering & the protagonists are generally the same few people. Some really good posts often get locked because of this.

The corruption here is pervasive, in your face if you care to take off the blinkers but we can only comment as there is really no recourse to any authority unless perhaps the ombudsman. Even if he finds a case that has grounds who will dare take it to prosecution? So we learn to accept it exists, try to avoid it as much as we can & get on with enjoying all the good things which attracted us here.

Good post and pretty much all I ever say. People constantly try to convince me that corruption exists when I've never denied it once. All I say is I'm not a victim of it as people keep trying to tell me I am, and that it won't be changing any time soon.

As somebody else said, the way things are done in Thailand which, have then been exaggerated further still in Phuket, is a part of the countries cultural history. It is ingrained in the fabric of society and has been forever. For a few jumped up Farang to think they firstly have the right and secondly the ability to make things change is as deluded and arrogant as can be.

If things change it will be as and when the THAIS want them to, either because the powers that be decide it would benefit them to do so, or because Joe public wake up and want things to be different and make it happen through democratic means. It 100% won't be because some sweaty farangs moan all day on a forum.

If you became an expat in Jamaica would you try and stop the locals smoking weed because you didn't like it? Or would you move to Bogota and try and campaign against the cartels, or move to Japan and try and stop their cruel eating habits where they prepare, cook and eat animals why they are still alive?

It's the exact same difference. You don't move to somebody else's country and try and change hundreds of years of cultural history just because it doesn't sit right with you. If you think you have the right and ability to do so you are a deluded fool.

This is why 'NomadJoe' refuses to tell me what he has achieved in the fight against corruption, even though he constantly claims to have made a difference. The reason is because he's changed NOTHING and is doing nothing but leaving an embarrassing trail of posts through this forum for at least the last 5 years.

The way things are done in Phuket is the way things are done in Phuket, you accept it or you don't, who cares, that's your look out.

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Oh, and Iceman, I presume you are responding to me, because you do that all the time. Don't bother though, you're on my ignorelist so I can't see your posts anymore. And I must say, ever since you're on that list I am a much happier poster here tongue.png .

Please point me to this feature. lol

Click on your name at the top, go to 'manage ignore prefs'.

Oh, HKP, sorry, you did not make it to my ignore list, which consist of only one poster at the moment. I presume he is honored by that smile.png

I'm sure whomsoever it is would be very upset at not having the opportunity to engage with your sagacity on this forum. Cue passive/aggressive smiley smile.png
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Why is it that many posts degenerate into petty bickering & the protagonists are generally the same few people. Some really good posts often get locked because of this.

The corruption here is pervasive, in your face if you care to take off the blinkers but we can only comment as there is really no recourse to any authority unless perhaps the ombudsman. Even if he finds a case that has grounds who will dare take it to prosecution? So we learn to accept it exists, try to avoid it as much as we can & get on with enjoying all the good things which attracted us here.

Or The Office Of The Attorney General in Bangkok. Edited by silsburyhill
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THe perfect victim.....

"People constantly try to convince me that corruption exists when I've never denied it once. All I say is I'm not a victim of it as people keep trying to tell me I am, and that it won't be changing any time soon."

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THe perfect victim.....

"People constantly try to convince me that corruption exists when I've never denied it once. All I say is I'm not a victim of it as people keep trying to tell me I am, and that it won't be changing any time soon."

Seems like in the last 24 hours there have been a few victims of corruption here. Do you ever wonder about the day when it will be your turn?

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THe perfect victim.....

"People constantly try to convince me that corruption exists when I've never denied it once. All I say is I'm not a victim of it as people keep trying to tell me I am, and that it won't be changing any time soon."

Seems like in the last 24 hours there have been a few victims of corruption here. Do you ever wonder about the day when it will be your turn?

I am thinking you are confusing corruption with crime ....

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ALL those living in Thailand are victims of corruption to some extent - wittingly or unwittingly; whether it is dealing with property and prices, services, getting through the bureaucracy, ....even your job can be dependant n corruption...pay outs to local "authorities, or are you employed because tour company gave a backhander to get a contract?

oror simply buying something in a shop, being stopped by the police.. or getting your bins emptied....no-one is immune.

corruption costs the Thai economy billions every year and no-one living/staying here is isolated from the Thai economy.

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ALL those living in Thailand are victims of corruption to some extent - wittingly or unwittingly; whether it is dealing with property and prices, services, getting through the bureaucracy, ....even your job can be dependant n corruption...pay outs to local "authorities, or are you employed because tour company gave a backhander to get a contract?

oror simply buying something in a shop, being stopped by the police.. or getting your bins emptied....no-one is immune.

Yes of course you are right. It's trickle down economics in reverse. That was my point earlier but the author of this opinion piece and some posters here believe that if they haven't physically handed 300B to a copper or other official then they have not been effected by corruption.

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THe perfect victim.....

"People constantly try to convince me that corruption exists when I've never denied it once. All I say is I'm not a victim of it as people keep trying to tell me I am, and that it won't be changing any time soon."

Seems like in the last 24 hours there have been a few victims of corruption here. Do you ever wonder about the day when it will be your turn?

I am thinking you are confusing corruption with crime ....

No, I'm not confusing the two LIK. When you have such a corrupt police force, the rule of law is not upheld. To many, that's a green light to commit crime. If you are unlucky to be caught, you simply buy your way out of the justice system. If you do not get caught, you are free to continue until you do. However, when do you actually face justice here, you don't, if you have the money.

It's starts with paying 200 baht to get out of a helmet fine and goes all the way to paying millions to get out of drug dealing charges. It all leads to lawlessness which breeds a culture of people living with no moral, ethical or sense of resposibility for their actions.

We all agree that Phuket/Thailand offers people from the west more freedom and fun, because of a degree of this lawlessness, but has it been taken too far? If so, without "purging" most of the police force here, how are they going to reverse it, and if it hasn't gone too far by now, what's stopping it from getting to that point of no return one day?

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ALL those living in Thailand are victims of corruption to some extent - wittingly or unwittingly; whether it is dealing with property and prices, services, getting through the bureaucracy, ....even your job can be dependant n corruption...pay outs to local "authorities, or are you employed because tour company gave a backhander to get a contract?

oror simply buying something in a shop, being stopped by the police.. or getting your bins emptied....no-one is immune.

corruption costs the Thai economy billions every year and no-one living/staying here is isolated from the Thai economy.

ALL those living in Thailand are victims of corruption to some extent - wittingly or unwittingly; whether it is dealing with property and prices, services, getting through the bureaucracy, ....even your job can be dependant n corruption...pay outs to local "authorities, or are you employed because tour company gave a backhander to get a contract?

oror simply buying something in a shop, being stopped by the police.. or getting your bins emptied....no-one is immune.

Yes of course you are right. It's trickle down economics in reverse. That was my point earlier but the author of this opinion piece and some posters here believe that if they haven't physically handed 300B to a copper or other official then they have not been effected by corruption.

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My point exactly.

You don't have to make a corrupt payment or bribe to be a viction of it. I gave the simple example of a bar owner paying "tea money" with a portion of what you pay for a beer is his bar, being the tea money. Very simple example.

In the last 24 hours, we have seen the result of "the bigger picture" when you have lawlessness, due to a corrupt police force and corrupt authorities.

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