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'Secrets Bar & Hotel' Raid Leads To American Manager's Arrest: Pattaya

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I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the same ratbag that went undercover in the Silver Star 3 raid in January.

If the motivation for this is the underage issue, and that actually turns out to be true, could we maybe applaud this guy for a job well done rather than trying to talk like mafioso ourselves? Enough of those here in the LoS, and they don't all wear brown.

I think you'll find the motivation was money. If the Thai authorities really cared about human trafficking and child prostitution they'd be raiding the countless karaoke bars and massage parlours throughout the Kingdom.

I never claimed they actually care.

My point is that our governments are funding the efforts to keep these aspects away from the segments of the industry that cater to their citizens.

And that's a worthy cause isn't it, whatever the methods.

Personally I think the various western LE task forces working on these issues here should just hand over the evidence they collect to the most evil BiB blackmailers and their cutie-pie underage accomplices and let them get on with beefing up the LoS's hard currency reserves privately.

Could turn into quite the growth industry in some parts of the country. . .

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Most people here are missing the point.

Secrets is breaking the law and as manager nice guy or not as the man on the spot Larry is being held responsible.

Just because everyone else is doing it is no argument either. It is still illegal.

Many other bars both Thai and foreign owned get raided as well for a variety of reasons.

This is nothing new and in fact is a regular occurrence in Pattaya.

As i mentioned before if you leave yourself vulnerable in Thailand for long enough one day somebody is going to come along and take advantage of you. It doesnt really matter who is responsible for the raid or who tipped off the police or what foreigner participated in the raid they are all side issues.

The fact that Secrets were openly advertising everywhere made it even more likely that one day they were going to pay the price.

How many times over the years do you see foreigners in thailand who think they have it all figured out because they have been getting away with stuff for years go down in a heap?

Plenty in my experience.

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The foreigner who took part in the operation was not a member of any local foreign police volunteer unit. He works solely for the CSD. He is a tall American, speaks good Thai and has tattoos on his arms.

Sorry, I took <One of the foreign undercover police volunteers> to refer to a Pattaya TPV. Whoever he works for, my opinion of him is unprintable!

Why? What's your objection if it turns out to be true that underage girls were being prostituted?

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QUOTE....Tommy, are you not a share holder in Secrets, maybe you can find out what really happened

sorry for the delay in replying, i just clicked in and now have the brown liquid you can buy in a bottle resembling those used by jack Daniels.. all over my new keyboard ( pls email the cash)

You are obviously barking......... up the wrong tree dear boy. I have NEVER been involved in a bar, guest house or other entertainment venue in Thailand other than as a customer. if I were, then I probably wouldnt have to work every day, read the news, do a show ( such as it is) or put up with a wife who gets older by the week, when. If i were a bar owner, I could simply chop her back into stock and take a newer model.

I simply work here at the tin shack and worry about MY business.. which is the "fabulous" 103 FM www.pattaya103.com.. Its not a big business but its FUN.

but it was a nice try wink.png sadly, for HMP1971 Peeing on the pic is seen more as a customer sport than a management or investor bonus, which is how I was included ( Gold medal, 2005 to date BTW)

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I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the same ratbag that went undercover in the Silver Star 3 raid in January.

If the motivation for this is the underage issue, and that actually turns out to be true, could we maybe applaud this guy for a job well done rather than trying to talk like mafioso ourselves? Enough of those here in the LoS, and they don't all wear brown.

I think you'll find the motivation was money. If the Thai authorities really cared about human trafficking and child prostitution they'd be raiding the countless karaoke bars and massage parlours throughout the Kingdom.

Motivation is money but nothing really to do with a stipend paid to the police. "raid" was orchestrated from within the "Secrets" empire, or so ive heard.

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I haven't been as shocked since i learned that the girls who stand in front of the Nana Hotel in BKK are not nuns.

Most aren't even girls. . .

And thank heavens for that :)

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Most people here are missing the point.

Secrets is breaking the law and as manager nice guy or not as the man on the spot Larry is being held responsible.

Just because everyone else is doing it is no argument either. It is still illegal.

Many other bars both Thai and foreign owned get raided as well for a variety of reasons.

This is nothing new and in fact is a regular occurrence in Pattaya.

As i mentioned before if you leave yourself vulnerable in Thailand for long enough one day somebody is going to come along and take advantage of you. It doesnt really matter who is responsible for the raid or who tipped off the police or what foreigner participated in the raid they are all side issues.

The fact that Secrets were openly advertising everywhere made it even more likely that one day they were going to pay the price.

How many times over the years do you see foreigners in thailand who think they have it all figured out because they have been getting away with stuff for years go down in a heap?

Plenty in my experience.

I would say you may be missing the point. I would bet that 90% of the men who read the Pattaya forum also break the law as far as P4P goes. Trolly you and a couple of others may be the lone rangers!

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I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the same ratbag that went undercover in the Silver Star 3 raid in January.

If the motivation for this is the underage issue, and that actually turns out to be true, could we maybe applaud this guy for a job well done rather than trying to talk like mafioso ourselves? Enough of those here in the LoS, and they don't all wear brown.

I think you'll find the motivation was money. If the Thai authorities really cared about human trafficking and child prostitution they'd be raiding the countless karaoke bars and massage parlours throughout the Kingdom.

Motivation is money but nothing really to do with a stipend paid to the police. "raid" was orchestrated from within the "Secrets" empire, or so ive heard.

Care to elaborate?

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Wouldn't be the first time or the last where someone with a grievance began making problems for an establishment. It seems that the "screw your partner" tactic is very much in vogue with the business "elites" in Pattaya. I know of a few where the damaged party simply walked away, writing off the investment as an abject lesson, but I do know of a few where problems arose after said screwee went after the alleged screwer.

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Years ago I would have bought a strip club here except for two things. DJ's and Piss boys (toilet employees). Most clubs have them world over. I would shoot them all. I couldn't help myself. More worthless scum don't exist on the face of the earth. DJ's are especially loathsome as the customers always hate them and they usually threaten the owner/manager.

They are the first ones I would look at in any kind of problem.

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THIS is the reason why I will NEVER invest one single baht in Thailand. NEVER, NEVER and NEVER the locals can be trusted as are in for one thing only: get as much money out of your into their pocket. Ladies ( and boys) offering certain services is as standard in Pattaya as the weather is hot ( for a west-European). Only ONE reason the farang owner is busted: not enough t-money at the right spot.

Therefore..

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Could this be anything to do with the much discussed customer, who was staying at Secrets and was getting through millions of baht per month?

He was mentioned by Stick.

He had the money to set this up, but it would seem, not the brains.

But if the BiB saw how much this guy was spending at the bar, their eyes could have turned green.

this was my first thought on the matter too, that the high spending reported by stick had attracted the atentions of others who fancied a piece of the pie

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Loving the "update" in Pattaya Times....wonder why they keep mentioning me......anyone else think someone is trying to have a dig at me over there. A poor attempt at it, if that is the case clap2.gif

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Could this be anything to do with the much discussed customer, who was staying at Secrets and was getting through millions of baht per month?

He was mentioned by Stick.

He had the money to set this up, but it would seem, not the brains.

But if the BiB saw how much this guy was spending at the bar, their eyes could have turned green.

this was my first thought on the matter too, that the high spending reported by stick had attracted the atentions of others who fancied a piece of the pie

This is my feeling also, but I don't think they did it for not getting a piece of the pie but how he was taken advantage of and got someone else involved, possibly relatives though his embassy.

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as to some of the other comments on this thread a great many are wide of the mark.

for one thing secrets must be one of the tamest bars on walking st.

upstairs most of the 24 rooms are run as a hotel.

as for larry being rich don't make me laugh he rents a 29 mr room in one of the cheapest condos in pattaya.

he's a nice guy and merely the manager, and in the many times i have been in the bar i have never once seen him handle money, some of the story just does not ring true. but when do reporters ever wory about that when telling a tale

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