Avoid Phuket At All Costs: Crime Capital Of Asia

[spidermike007 26,744]

Talk about the lack of ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION and the absence of any law enforcement on Thailands wealthiest island. Check out this video I just checked out, where the coral reef is being destroyed by tourists and fisherman.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=axDma_yavfi

You refer to Phuket as being some kind of exception. As if Thailand is some kind of beacon for law and order. I consider the LOS to have one of the most compromised police forces in the world. Does anyone feel this is not true? What can't you get away with here, if you have enough money? In the US the system is corrupt too, but at least you will get arrested and tried. If you have enough money you can usually buy your way out of a guilty verdict with slick lawyers who corrupt the system with their games. Here, if you have enough money it will never even get to the point where you are arrested, much less tried and convicted. If the LOS wants to advance with the rest of the civilized world, the three areas to tackle would be a complete, and total reformation of the police force from top to bottom, a complete and total dismantling and rebuilding of the educational system, and a complete change in the totally dysfunctional form of government. I realize all of this is a pipe dream. But, this is what it may take for this country to advance beyond where it is now.

[dude007 122]

Lot of hype in this topic. Personally I have not felt unsafe in my 15+ years living here. Yes, sure I have had a couple of bad moments with road rage incidents. And I don't wander about the streets late at night, or use Tuk Tuks, or hire jet skis. Never had my own home burgled. Feel safer here than many other places I have lived or visited in a large number of other countries (Singapore would be the exception). On the other hand I use a lot of common sense and am aware of my surroundings.

As you can see yourself, global moderator, your opinion is not changing the majority that we read. You cannot keep your pink glasses for much longer although you have a 15+ years experience. Wait a few more years and things will come: suddenly, unexpectedly, just behind the corner... and your sand castle that you have built in Phuket will crumble down to dirt and dust and finally you will see what's underneath: racism, hatred and cheating...

But for the time being, keep your luck and hold on it for as long as you can! One day...

[bridge2bridge 692]

Yes this is so true.

Phuket used to be a very nice and SAFE place to visit.

I have been there MANY times, but i do not plan to go back anymore.

Much rather go to Krabi.

I think it is the fault of the thai government to allow the Russian mafia to take control of the island, and the corrupt police force who are paid to close their eyes to the criminal elements that are there( Russian maffia).

I do feel sorry for the genuine Thai small business people who are honest and trying to make a resonable living.

I do hope that the Thai Government try to fix these problems before it is too late and NO tourists visit Phuket.

MAYBE IT IS TOO LATE ALREADY.

[hansgruber 3,172]

Lot of hype in this topic. Personally I have not felt unsafe in my 15+ years living here. Yes, sure I have had a couple of bad moments with road rage incidents. And I don't wander about the streets late at night, or use Tuk Tuks, or hire jet skis. Never had my own home burgled. Feel safer here than many other places I have lived or visited in a large number of other countries (Singapore would be the exception). On the other hand I use a lot of common sense and am aware of my surroundings.

As you can see yourself, global moderator, your opinion is not changing the majority that we read. You cannot keep your pink glasses for much longer although you have a 15+ years experience. Wait a few more years and things will come: suddenly, unexpectedly, just behind the corner... and your sand castle that you have built in Phuket will crumble down to dirt and dust and finally you will see what's underneath: racism, hatred and cheating...

But for the time being, keep your luck and hold on it for as long as you can! One day...

I think you don't have a clue about phuket. Been here 8 years and I've had no major troubles, only farang owned businesses have ripped me off so now I strictly buy from Thai businesses and I never have a problem since.

Racism is everywhere, go to Australia and you will see its no different.

I find that Phuket bashers either failed trying to live here or just spend too much time in the thaivisa news forum and base their opinion on headlines.

I'm going down to the beach now to enjoy the beautiful day.

[Guest]

Lot of hype in this topic. Personally I have not felt unsafe in my 15+ years living here. Yes, sure I have had a couple of bad moments with road rage incidents. And I don't wander about the streets late at night, or use Tuk Tuks, or hire jet skis. Never had my own home burgled. Feel safer here than many other places I have lived or visited in a large number of other countries (Singapore would be the exception). On the other hand I use a lot of common sense and am aware of my surroundings.

As you can see yourself, global moderator, your opinion is not changing the majority that we read. You cannot keep your pink glasses for much longer although you have a 15+ years experience. Wait a few more years and things will come: suddenly, unexpectedly, just behind the corner... and your sand castle that you have built in Phuket will crumble down to dirt and dust and finally you will see what's underneath: racism, hatred and cheating...

But for the time being, keep your luck and hold on it for as long as you can! One day...

I think you don't have a clue about phuket. Been here 8 years and I've had no major troubles, only farang owned businesses have ripped me off so now I strictly buy from Thai businesses and I never have a problem since.

Racism is everywhere, go to Australia and you will see its no different.

I find that Phuket bashers either failed trying to live here or just spend too much time in the thaivisa news forum and base their opinion on headlines.

I'm going down to the beach now to enjoy the beautiful day.

I would think that the issue is not if we have encountered major crimes while living in Phuket. At least for me the issue is contingency. How to secure life here without needing to do an backup to somewhere else?

Life is cheap here, but can I rely that my house will not be effected even if I do not have the power to fight for it? Can I rely that the people and the government is fair in that case? Can you rely to it?

The old saying is "don't invest to Thailand anything that you can not afford to loose". Fair advice. But do all of you have such an big pockets that you consider this place as your playground and keep your real money out of the country?

I am at least is getting older and I do need to think about the backup plans. How to survive if things get sour here. What are you plans for the future?

What I'm currently looking for is stability. Something to build on. If the base is shaky, it's not the best ground to build on. It's like rented housing versus owned one. Which is kept in better condition?

At the end of the day, the question is not what we see today, but how much the people who live here wants to take care of their own home environment. What can be done to get rid of the scum and start building on top of the ground stones again?

[grumpyoldman 2,058]

Lot of hype in this topic. Personally I have not felt unsafe in my 15+ years living here. Yes, sure I have had a couple of bad moments with road rage incidents. And I don't wander about the streets late at night, or use Tuk Tuks, or hire jet skis. Never had my own home burgled. Feel safer here than many other places I have lived or visited in a large number of other countries (Singapore would be the exception). On the other hand I use a lot of common sense and am aware of my surroundings.

As you can see yourself, global moderator, your opinion is not changing the majority that we read.

And the majority that you describe here in this thread............ don't live here.

So your argument is shot, but brings up a good point.

We should probably gauge these responses on:

-my opinion is based on permanent residency

-my opinion is based on spending more than three months in Phuket per year

-my opinion is based on I once had a weeks holiday in Patong

-my opinion is based on never having been there but have been reading about all the recent crime

[DavidOxon 147]

No doubt you,ll be hounded for being alarmist by both those who have vested interests in maintaining the facade of Thailand as a dream holidat destination and those who prefer to keep there heads burried in the sand.

Phuket truly is a wretched place, I was beaten unconcious by two Thais outside 7*11 around 3 years ago myself, all for the grand sum of around 600 bht.

check this link http://www.thephuket...amily-31469.php

The fact is the veil is really being lifted oh Thailand these days as the crooks and skum become ever bolder, with scams and deciets getting taken to a whole new level.

Just last week I had a Thai guy come up to outside the mall in Siam square and demand 20 bht, I politely said mai pen rai cap and moved away. The nutter started screaming and frothing at the mouth calling me everything under the sun. I do not doubt he was on the point of attacking me until the mall security overheard and started coming in my direction. He walked away pretending to shoot me with his finger.

These stories are everywhere everyday and soon people will start turning there backs on the place en masse.

I've also seen incidents like that in UK and USA. Not just a Thai problem. I've been here for 2 years and haven't seen any violent incidents at all. I've spent 6 months In New York and seen a few. And I've seen plenty of incidents like this in the UK. What you describe is just one mad person. It sounds like an isolated incident. I've been to Siam Square lots of times and never seen anything remotely like what you described.

Good for you, although you seem to be in the minority.

I read comments like yours and have to wonder where you live and whether you ever leave your home, because I have regularly seen farang being harassed, corralled, conjolled, intimidated, pushed, stomped and beaten by locals.

As for "these things happen everywhere", I disagree. Show me a news article from any country where a tourist was attacked, beaten with a foreign object and robbed as they exit a 7-11. I'll be waiting with baited breath.

Also, how about sharing some of your experiences where you have "seen" these types of incidents in the west with your own two eyes?

Not a 7/11 (not sure if they have them in the US, but it does happen elsewhere!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3532368/Two-British-men-shot-dead-in-US.html

[Udox 126]

I have noticed how several replies and opinions relate to the (lack of) actions of the police.

It seems that after talking with both Thais and foreigners that their opinion of the BiB is very much similar:

The majority are nothing more than legalized criminals.

Until those whose job it is to uphold the law actually do so - there is little hope of advancement.

[Baloo22 776]

No doubt you,ll be hounded for being alarmist by both those who have vested interests in maintaining the facade of Thailand as a dream holidat destination and those who prefer to keep there heads burried in the sand.

Phuket truly is a wretched place, I was beaten unconcious by two Thais outside 7*11 around 3 years ago myself, all for the grand sum of around 600 bht.

check this link http://www.thephuket...amily-31469.php

The fact is the veil is really being lifted oh Thailand these days as the crooks and skum become ever bolder, with scams and deciets getting taken to a whole new level.

Just last week I had a Thai guy come up to outside the mall in Siam square and demand 20 bht, I politely said mai pen rai cap and moved away. The nutter started screaming and frothing at the mouth calling me everything under the sun. I do not doubt he was on the point of attacking me until the mall security overheard and started coming in my direction. He walked away pretending to shoot me with his finger.

These stories are everywhere everyday and soon people will start turning there backs on the place en masse.

I've also seen incidents like that in UK and USA. Not just a Thai problem. I've been here for 2 years and haven't seen any violent incidents at all. I've spent 6 months In New York and seen a few. And I've seen plenty of incidents like this in the UK. What you describe is just one mad person. It sounds like an isolated incident. I've been to Siam Square lots of times and never seen anything remotely like what you described.

Good for you, although you seem to be in the minority.

I read comments like yours and have to wonder where you live and whether you ever leave your home, because I have regularly seen farang being harassed, corralled, conjolled, intimidated, pushed, stomped and beaten by locals.

As for "these things happen everywhere", I disagree. Show me a news article from any country where a tourist was attacked, beaten with a foreign object and robbed as they exit a 7-11. I'll be waiting with baited breath.

Also, how about sharing some of your experiences where you have "seen" these types of incidents in the west with your own two eyes?

Not a 7/11 (not sure if they have them in the US, but it does happen elsewhere!

http://www.thesun.co...dead-in-US.html

Yes, violent incidents involving tourists do occur in the U.S. They also occur in Canada, Australia, England, and other countries in Europe (and elsewhere). As I have stated before; The major difference between such incidents in those countries and in Thailand is the attitude and approaches taken by the police and local governments involved. In the countries that I listed above, the police actually consider enforcing the law to be their job and do not approach criminal events with their sole consideration being what their personal profit will be. They make genuine efforts to investigate, locate, and arrest the criminals. In this particular case, the criminal scum was arrested, tried, convicted, and given a life sentence. He was not given the death penalty because he was a "minor" at the time of committing the murders.

In the U.S. you will find that the vast majority of police and other law enforcement personnel are dedicated people doing a tough job and are not for sale. Are there some "bad apples"? Sure, but they are the few, the exception. I have lived in Germany for three years and travelled to England, Norway, Denmark, and Italy. I have confidence that the same applies to the police officers and law enforcement organizations in those countries also.

[brewsterbudgen 8,679]

Yes, violent incidents involving tourists do occur in the U.S. They also occur in Canada, Australia, England, and other countries in Europe (and elsewhere). As I have stated before; The major difference between such incidents in those countries and in Thailand is the attitude and approaches taken by the police and local governments involved. In the countries that I listed above, the police actually consider enforcing the law to be their job and do not approach criminal events with their sole consideration being what their personal profit will be. They make genuine efforts to investigate, locate, and arrest the criminals. In this particular case, the criminal scum was arrested, tried, convicted, and given a life sentence. He was not given the death penalty because he was a "minor" at the time of committing the murders.

In the U.S. you will find that the vast majority of police and other law enforcement personnel are dedicated people doing a tough job and are not for sale. Are there some "bad apples"? Sure, but they are the few, the exception. I have lived in Germany for three years and travelled to England, Norway, Denmark, and Italy. I have confidence that the same applies to the police officers and law enforcement organizations in those countries also.

You'll find that Thailand is a far less developed country than the ones you mention, so it's hardly surprising that the police force and other institutions don't come up to Western standards.

[harrry 4,903]

Lot of hype in this topic. Personally I have not felt unsafe in my 15+ years living here. Yes, sure I have had a couple of bad moments with road rage incidents. And I don't wander about the streets late at night, or use Tuk Tuks, or hire jet skis. Never had my own home burgled. Feel safer here than many other places I have lived or visited in a large number of other countries (Singapore would be the exception). On the other hand I use a lot of common sense and am aware of my surroundings.

As you can see yourself, global moderator, your opinion is not changing the majority that we read.

And the majority that you describe here in this thread............ don't live here.

So your argument is shot, but brings up a good point.

We should probably gauge these responses on:

-my opinion is based on permanent residency

-my opinion is based on spending more than three months in Phuket per year

-my opinion is based on I once had a weeks holiday in Patong

-my opinion is based on never having been there but have been reading about all the recent crime

you forgot the important one:

-my opinion is based on owning or managing a business that deals with tourists.

[necronx99 943]

You'll find that Thailand is a far less developed country than the ones you mention, so it's hardly surprising that the police force and other institutions don't come up to Western standards.

What exactly are these western standards you place on such a high pedestal?

Police in the US routinely murder and assault citizens with little comeback.

Police in Australia lie, perjure themselves in court and fabricate evidence. It happens all the time.

Read this and tell me you would have faith in any Australian cop.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/tasered-for-not-showing-his-ticket-20120630-219m3.html

[grumpyoldman 2,058]

Lot of hype in this topic. Personally I have not felt unsafe in my 15+ years living here. Yes, sure I have had a couple of bad moments with road rage incidents. And I don't wander about the streets late at night, or use Tuk Tuks, or hire jet skis. Never had my own home burgled. Feel safer here than many other places I have lived or visited in a large number of other countries (Singapore would be the exception). On the other hand I use a lot of common sense and am aware of my surroundings.

As you can see yourself, global moderator, your opinion is not changing the majority that we read.

And the majority that you describe here in this thread............ don't live here.

So your argument is shot, but brings up a good point.

We should probably gauge these responses on:

-my opinion is based on permanent residency

-my opinion is based on spending more than three months in Phuket per year

-my opinion is based on I once had a weeks holiday in Patong

-my opinion is based on never having been there but have been reading about all the recent crime

you forgot the important one:

-my opinion is based on owning or managing a business that deals with tourists.

I would say that would be covered in the "residency" as Phuket's industries are mainly aimed at the tourist market.

[TaoNow 119]

In response to Dude007 (#77) who wrote:

"As you can see yourself, global moderator, your opinion is not changing the majority that we read."

Dude, surely you've been on this Forum long enough to realize the the regular posters in the community and General sub-forums are not representative of the majority of ex-pats (let alone tourists) in Thailand.

Posts on these threads are dominated by the misfits who have not been able to adjust to Thailand and have nowhere else to go with their anger except the pub and this Forum. They clearly haven't learned the local language or developed friendships with ordinary Thais. Most of their relationships are bought, judging by their posts.

By contrast, most of the ex-pats who have adjusted to life in Thailand (and Phuket) have active social lives and don't need to waste their time on TV. In fact, most ex-pats and tourists in Thailand probably never heard of TV.com.

So you cannot draw any conclusions by the opinions of the "majority that we read."

[grumpyoldman 2,058]

You'll find that Thailand is a far less developed country than the ones you mention, so it's hardly surprising that the police force and other institutions don't come up to Western standards.

Police in the US routinely murder and assault citizens with little comeback.

You have no statistics to support that statement and need to stop watching television cop shows.