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The mystery remains.. at least we can rule out DEET consumption, which in my mind was a drink only a fool would order.

Very curious about our Canadian autopsy results.

Can we rule out DEET? Remember the girls was found in their room with a large amount of vomit and blood around them. When a person get poisoned the body will try to get rid of the poisoning, so before the sisters started vomiting they may indeed have a large amount of DEET inside their bodies!

They cannot vomit what is in the blood stream.

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That's no story. They also didn't drown. Who cares what DIDN'T lead to their deaths? The question is...what did. Why print a story that tells nothing at all? That's news? They also weren't attacked by white sharks! What a story!

I agree, no story there.

I also agree that TV members needn't snoop around looking for more. Their parents have requested no more be made public, and there is a good reason for that. They don't want their daughters' images spoiled, so let's respect that.

This is important to learn of the exact cause of their death. We can only avoid repeating mistakes if we learn from our history. People make mistakes and we need to learn from them. If they share their story about exactly how the girls died, maybe they can save other people's lives. !
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i dont post often but this story riles me.

one - the girls are dead - confirmed - so its either murder or suicide - i would think

so wouldnt it be the job of the police to work that out and suicide was ruled out? - then its murder and as such there must then be a murderer walking around - thats a threat too society and that person persons is either in the country or abroad- so wouldnt it be the cops job to find that person/s where ever they be. - since when does murder not count as capital crime

as for the talk that the family or embassy didnt wish certain details to be revealed or the invstigation concluded - since when can another country influence the activites of the thai police - an or since when can the family curtail a police investigation - so thats bs and needs to rectified

the stance or investiagtive response here by royal hai police is poor and needs to be taken to a higher level - perhaps canadians out there shuold resquest this of their ambasador as it seems there is no justice for these girls and worst still a murderer is loose in society

I think you mean Homicide (murder), suicide, accidental, or natural. These are all the methods of death. There isn't just two.

My opinion. The coroner stated they had deet in their system. Do we know if this is a hired coroner (by the family) or is it a Canadian government medical examiner. There is a big difference. Any Doctor can be a coroner. Not all are qualified to be a medical examiner though.

Being that they did have an amount of deet in their system. There is a strong chance the sisters had Anaphylactic shock. They may have had allergies to deet (or another chemical in it) that other people wouldn't get. The same way some people are deadly allergic to bee stings where in most people are not.

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Outsiders want to know, not (just) because we're rubber-kneckers, but because it might preclude similarly tragic sicknesses and eaths happening in the future - in that region of southern Thailand. I interact with quite a few farang backpackers. Most wind up doing the Mekong river trip down from Chiang Kong in to Laos, but some consider visiting southern Thai beaches. Should I warn them of dangers? If so, what specifically? If I take the Thai authorities' line, then I'll say, "no problem, go and have a blast." .....and leave out the part that they may die a painful death after a night of partying. It would be helpful to have some details on what's killing ordinarily healthy young farang. Thus far, we have poison fish, or ibuprophin overdose, or insecticide sprayed in hotels, or .........?

The full article ends with the sentence: "Secondary autopsies were conducted in Montreal, but the results haven’t been released." I hope the Montreal experts can shed some light on what happened, though if it doesn't fit with TAT's picture of lovliness pervading all of Thailand, then it won't see light of day. .

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That's no story. They also didn't drown. Who cares what DIDN'T lead to their deaths? The question is...what did. Why print a story that tells nothing at all? That's news? They also weren't attacked by white sharks! What a story!

I agree, no story there.

I also agree that TV members needn't snoop around looking for more. Their parents have requested no more be made public, and there is a good reason for that. They don't want their daughters' images spoiled, so let's respect that.

Why do people jump in and make the same ridiculous statements that were made many days ago and which were PROVEN FALSE .... Go back and read the facts please and then state again ... I am reposting # 118 from the previous thread so you all get this one fact straight ! THE PARENTS MADE NO SUCH REQUEST AND NOR DID THE CANADIAN EMBASSY !

It's all lies from the TRP..... Nor The family nor the Canadian Embassy have requested the investigation to be stopped... on the contrary the father is furious about this and said he will go to all ends to find out the truth.

My friends in Quebec sent me these 3 links of different media reports and they all say the same thing.

http://quebec.huffin..._n_1935286.html

http://www.radio-can...fermeture.shtml This one has a video of their father being interviwed and here again he is denouncing that he never asked for the results or details of the investigation be withheld nor the investigation stopped...!

http://www.lapresse....-ses-filles.php

Here are a few extracts from the last link above.... everything is in French so I will translate just a few important parts.

«C'est ce à quoi je m'attendais. J'ai toujours dit que la conclusion de leur enquête serait une cause inconnue. Ils ont tout fait pour éliminer les preuves avant que l'autopsie soit pratiquée, alors c'était à prévoir», affirme M. Bélanger, en faisant référence au délai qui s'est écoulé entre la découverte des corps de ses filles dans leur chambre d'hôtel et l'autopsie pratiquée en Thaïlande, période suffisante selon lui pour éliminer toute trace de produit toxique dans leur corps."

This is what I expected. I always said that their investigation would be concluded as " Cause Unknown" They did everything to eliminate important proof prior to the autopsy so this result had to be expected., referring to the delay that occured from when the bodies were found in the hotel room to when the autopsy was finally done in Thailand... a period long enough to eliminate all traces of toxic products in their bodies"

«Beaucoup de questions demeurent en suspens et c'est pourquoi l'enquête menée ici par la Sûreté du Québec doit se poursuivre. Deux filles dans la vingtaine qui entrent dans leur chambre d'hôtel en parfaite santé et n'en ressortent pas, pour moi, ce n'est pas une raison inconnue. À peine une semaine après leur décès, nous étions incapables de les identifier. Elles ne s'étaient tout de même pas fait frapper par un train», a dit M. Bélanger au Soleil, ajoutant ne pouvoir commenter davantage pour ne pas nuire à l'enquête, «qui va bien».

Their father also said "Many questions remained unanswered and that is why the investigation here by the Quebec Police must continue. Two girls in their 20's enter their room totally healthy and never come out again to me is not "AN UNKNOWN CAUSE:. Barely 1 week after their death we could not even identify them ! THEY WERE NOT HIT BY A TRAIN ! I will not say more at this point as I do not want to jeapordize the investigation which is progressing very well."

Il nie toutefois avoir demandé aux autorités thaïlandaises de ne révéler aucun détail sur l'affaire, comme l'écrit l'article du quotidien thaïlandais citant le lieutenant-colonel Jongrak Pimthong de la police de Krabi. «Ce n'est pas vrai. Ce n'est pas nous qui avons demandé ça. Au contraire, nous voulons savoir ce qui s'est passé.»

He absolutely denies having asked the Thai authorities to stop the investigation and to not reveal any details. He says "It's not true...! It is certainly not us who have asked this. On the very contrary WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED"

«Nous ne le rencontrerons pas, puisqu'il ne vit pas en Thaïlande, et la famille nous a demandé de ne pas l'interroger», poursuit le lieutenant-colonel Jongrak. «C'est faux, rétorque M. Bélanger. De toute manière, les policiers ici connaissent son identité. Il est polonais et sera probablement rencontré par Interpol.In reference to the man who accompanied them back to the room he said " The police in Thailand said they will not question him as he does not live in Thailand and that we asked them not to question him, THIS IS NOT TRUE...said Mr. Belanger ..Anyway the police here know his identity and he will mostly be interrogated by Interpol"

«Notre vie est brisée à jamais, et chaque retour de cette affaire dans l'actualité nous démolit un peu plus. Qu'elles soient mortes est déjà épouvantable et que nous ne sachions pas la cause de leur décès est encore plus dur, mais je vous assure que nous voulons savoir et nous irons jusqu'au bout.»

Renée Roussel, la coroner québécoise au dossier, ne déposera son rapport final sur l'autopsie pratiquée au Québec que dans plusieurs semaines.

Our life is broken for ever and everyday it kills us a little more. That they are dead is unbearable as it is but to not even know the CAUSE is even harder but I can assure you that we want to and must KNOW and we will go to all ends to find out".... It will still take many weeks to get the final results from the Quebec Autopsy.

And to add to this here is another statement made by the father in August in "The Soleil de Montreal " http://www.lapresse....24_article_POS2

«Elles nous en avaient parlé. Ce sont deux jeunes hommes qu'elles ont rencontrés lors d'un tour en montagne au Vietnam et à qui elles ont confié qu'elles se rendaient ensuite sur l'île de Phi Phi en Thaïlande.» Coïncidence, c'est aussi là que se rendaient les deux hommes. Partis avant, ils ont loué une chambre au Palms Residence. «Par Internet, ils ont invité nos filles à les rejoindre dans cet hôtel, très propre. Elles y ont loué la chambre 103 et le groupe a passé la soirée ensemble.»

They e-mailed us almost daily and had spoken to us from Vietnam about the 2 Portuguese guys ... That is were they met the 2 Portuguese men during a mountain tour they were on and to whom they had told that their next destination was Phiphi Island... Coincidence made it that these 2 guys were also going there but left Vietnam for Phiphi a bit earlier and rented a room at Palms Residence.... Through internet ommunications they invited the 2 sisters to join them at the Palms which they told them was a very decent and clean hotel. And they did and rented room 103 and they spent that evening together"

I HAVE BEEN READING SO MANY CANADIAN NEWSPAPERS ON THIS VERY SAD MISFORTUNE for the past 3 months AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NOWHERE BUT NOWHERE ARE THE PARENTS ASKING FOR DETAILS TO BE WITHHELD... Their grief is so gripping and you would come to tears if you could read French and see what they are saying and asking which is TO KNOW WHY,WHAT and why only their 2 girls ??? So please stop with the non sense of the PARENTS REQUESTED DETAILS TO NOT BE DIVULGED !! IT IS LIES!!!

Thank you for posting this information. I wonder why the Canadian embassy has not spoken up about the inaccurate assertion by the police that the parents and embassy do not want anything disclosed or the case investigated further?

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Look at how our Thailand is killing Farangs turning out country into a cemetry or a place to come and leave your body,i wonder what foreigners sees in Thailand that attracts them to come here,if it is Women and sex are there no women and sex in their country? for women if they come here as tourist Sex why spend so much money just to have a man sleep with you,why not be humble to the men in your country and enjoy life?

I feel terribly painful at the death of this young girls,look at beauties and their future wasted in the name of Tourist,what useless tourist is this?

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I can't help but wonder if something else is going here.

Perhaps the family wish to keep this quiet for reasons not yet explored, but perhaps known by the authorities (International).

Remember Charles Sobhraj? Could it be possible there is a sicko in and around Asia purposefully poisonong these unfortunate people? There has been too many, and yet too few deaths for these not to be suspicious in my mind.

The authorities may well want this theory kept quiet so they can find him/her/them without them going to ground.

I know, far fetched but not impossible.

http://www.thepoison...sts-in-se-asia/

http://www.sott.net/...Tourist-in-Asia

and so on.

Has this been discussed on Thaivisa already?

Funny you should mention. Charles Sobhraj. he was held by the Bangkok police. And after paying the police 15,000 dollars was released to kill again!
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Back to the bed bugs theory ???

Since the Canadian coroner has already made his report, I doubt there is any going back to any theory.

First if all the Coroner is a She contrary to your post and another one that refers to her as "HIM"

Her name is Renée Roussel and here is where you can send her a letter

1701, rue Parthenais, 12ème étage, Montréal (Québec) H2K 3S7 and the website is

http://www.msp.gouv.qc.ca/labo/

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It never been the case that the parents asked the authority not to talk about the reasons of the death... You should ask somebody to translate this article from radio-Canada...

http://m.radio-canad...fermeture.shtml

Already done .. as I said it would be nice if TV members who jump in on a topic would read previous posts .. and I have reposted here also ... see above ... My God!!

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To Kirk 0233 ....Thank you for posting this information. I wonder why the Canadian embassy has not spoken up about the inaccurate assertion by the police that the parents and embassy do not want anything disclosed or the case investigated further?

WHY...?? Because they can't ! Simple...! What do you want them to say ... Hello Thailand your bloody Royal Thai Police are liars!! As a previous poster pointed out to me when I critisized the Canadian Embassy in another post ...Canada is certainly not an important country in the eyes of Thailand and they cannot by law divulge personal or private info regarding anything that happens in this country whatever the issue may be ... and that poster was right.... And that basically applies to all Embassies ...And That is the exact reply I got from the Canadian Embassy when I contacted them in regards to this issue in June... They said they were assissting the family but could not by law divulge any info... so they also can't outrighly say that the police is lying... Embassies have high limitations as to what they can say or do ...

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Corrupt police, incompetent reporters = no justice for the 2 girls. RIP

It's the family that want the cause of death kept secret, not the police. What exactly do you want the police to do if this was an accidental death?

Maybe they do and maybe they don't but since when have the Thai police cared about the feelings of family members of murder victims? They are normally more than happy to let journalists publish photographs of bloated bodies that have been in the sea for a couple of weeks and pictures of poor girls with their skirts around their necks after they have been raped and murdered. They will also come up with their own far fetched theories about some one killed himself to try to get a wealthy murderer of the hook. No it doesn't stack up and what's more suspicious deaths of foreigners in a tourist zone is something that is in the public domain that neither police nor anyone else has a right to hush up. We are not talking about a civil action for use of insulting language that can be just called off.

The girls didn't die from one too many bacardi and cokes and a little DEET chaser. So what did they die of and who is responsible? It not really that hard, piggy porkers, and it happens to be your job to find out and do something about it.

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The mystery remains.. at least we can rule out DEET consumption, which in my mind was a drink only a fool would order.

Very curious about our Canadian autopsy results.

Can we rule out DEET? Remember the girls was found in their room with a large amount of vomit and blood around them. When a person get poisoned the body will try to get rid of the poisoning, so before the sisters started vomiting they may indeed have a large amount of DEET inside their bodies!

No, whatever was vomited out would have come from the stomach well before entering the blood stream and on to vital organs to do damage.

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That's no story. They also didn't drown. Who cares what DIDN'T lead to their deaths? The question is...what did. Why print a story that tells nothing at all? That's news? They also weren't attacked by white sharks! What a story!

I agree, no story there.

I also agree that TV members needn't snoop around looking for more. Their parents have requested no more be made public, and there is a good reason for that. They don't want their daughters' images spoiled, so let's respect that.

Why do people jump in and make the same ridiculous statements that were made many days ago and which were PROVEN FALSE .... Go back and read the facts please and then state again ... I am reposting # 118 from the previous thread so you all get this one fact straight ! THE PARENTS MADE NO SUCH REQUEST AND NOR DID THE CANADIAN EMBASSY !

It's all lies from the TRP..... Nor The family nor the Canadian Embassy have requested the investigation to be stopped... on the contrary the father is furious about this and said he will go to all ends to find out the truth.

My friends in Quebec sent me these 3 links of different media reports and they all say the same thing.

http://quebec.huffin..._n_1935286.html

http://www.radio-can...fermeture.shtml This one has a video of their father being interviwed and here again he is denouncing that he never asked for the results or details of the investigation be withheld nor the investigation stopped...!

http://www.lapresse....-ses-filles.php

Here are a few extracts from the last link above.... everything is in French so I will translate just a few important parts.

«C'est ce à quoi je m'attendais. J'ai toujours dit que la conclusion de leur enquête serait une cause inconnue. Ils ont tout fait pour éliminer les preuves avant que l'autopsie soit pratiquée, alors c'était à prévoir», affirme M. Bélanger, en faisant référence au délai qui s'est écoulé entre la découverte des corps de ses filles dans leur chambre d'hôtel et l'autopsie pratiquée en Thaïlande, période suffisante selon lui pour éliminer toute trace de produit toxique dans leur corps."

This is what I expected. I always said that their investigation would be concluded as " Cause Unknown" They did everything to eliminate important proof prior to the autopsy so this result had to be expected., referring to the delay that occured from when the bodies were found in the hotel room to when the autopsy was finally done in Thailand... a period long enough to eliminate all traces of toxic products in their bodies"

«Beaucoup de questions demeurent en suspens et c'est pourquoi l'enquête menée ici par la Sûreté du Québec doit se poursuivre. Deux filles dans la vingtaine qui entrent dans leur chambre d'hôtel en parfaite santé et n'en ressortent pas, pour moi, ce n'est pas une raison inconnue. À peine une semaine après leur décès, nous étions incapables de les identifier. Elles ne s'étaient tout de même pas fait frapper par un train», a dit M. Bélanger au Soleil, ajoutant ne pouvoir commenter davantage pour ne pas nuire à l'enquête, «qui va bien».

Their father also said "Many questions remained unanswered and that is why the investigation here by the Quebec Police must continue. Two girls in their 20's enter their room totally healthy and never come out again to me is not "AN UNKNOWN CAUSE:. Barely 1 week after their death we could not even identify them ! THEY WERE NOT HIT BY A TRAIN ! I will not say more at this point as I do not want to jeapordize the investigation which is progressing very well."

Il nie toutefois avoir demandé aux autorités thaïlandaises de ne révéler aucun détail sur l'affaire, comme l'écrit l'article du quotidien thaïlandais citant le lieutenant-colonel Jongrak Pimthong de la police de Krabi. «Ce n'est pas vrai. Ce n'est pas nous qui avons demandé ça. Au contraire, nous voulons savoir ce qui s'est passé.»

He absolutely denies having asked the Thai authorities to stop the investigation and to not reveal any details. He says "It's not true...! It is certainly not us who have asked this. On the very contrary WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED"

«Nous ne le rencontrerons pas, puisqu'il ne vit pas en Thaïlande, et la famille nous a demandé de ne pas l'interroger», poursuit le lieutenant-colonel Jongrak. «C'est faux, rétorque M. Bélanger. De toute manière, les policiers ici connaissent son identité. Il est polonais et sera probablement rencontré par Interpol.In reference to the man who accompanied them back to the room he said " The police in Thailand said they will not question him as he does not live in Thailand and that we asked them not to question him, THIS IS NOT TRUE...said Mr. Belanger ..Anyway the police here know his identity and he will mostly be interrogated by Interpol"

«Notre vie est brisée à jamais, et chaque retour de cette affaire dans l'actualité nous démolit un peu plus. Qu'elles soient mortes est déjà épouvantable et que nous ne sachions pas la cause de leur décès est encore plus dur, mais je vous assure que nous voulons savoir et nous irons jusqu'au bout.»

Renée Roussel, la coroner québécoise au dossier, ne déposera son rapport final sur l'autopsie pratiquée au Québec que dans plusieurs semaines.

Our life is broken for ever and everyday it kills us a little more. That they are dead is unbearable as it is but to not even know the CAUSE is even harder but I can assure you that we want to and must KNOW and we will go to all ends to find out".... It will still take many weeks to get the final results from the Quebec Autopsy.

And to add to this here is another statement made by the father in August in "The Soleil de Montreal " http://www.lapresse....24_article_POS2

«Elles nous en avaient parlé. Ce sont deux jeunes hommes qu'elles ont rencontrés lors d'un tour en montagne au Vietnam et à qui elles ont confié qu'elles se rendaient ensuite sur l'île de Phi Phi en Thaïlande.» Coïncidence, c'est aussi là que se rendaient les deux hommes. Partis avant, ils ont loué une chambre au Palms Residence. «Par Internet, ils ont invité nos filles à les rejoindre dans cet hôtel, très propre. Elles y ont loué la chambre 103 et le groupe a passé la soirée ensemble.»

They e-mailed us almost daily and had spoken to us from Vietnam about the 2 Portuguese guys ... That is were they met the 2 Portuguese men during a mountain tour they were on and to whom they had told that their next destination was Phiphi Island... Coincidence made it that these 2 guys were also going there but left Vietnam for Phiphi a bit earlier and rented a room at Palms Residence.... Through internet ommunications they invited the 2 sisters to join them at the Palms which they told them was a very decent and clean hotel. And they did and rented room 103 and they spent that evening together"

I HAVE BEEN READING SO MANY CANADIAN NEWSPAPERS ON THIS VERY SAD MISFORTUNE for the past 3 months AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT NOWHERE BUT NOWHERE ARE THE PARENTS ASKING FOR DETAILS TO BE WITHHELD... Their grief is so gripping and you would come to tears if you could read French and see what they are saying and asking which is TO KNOW WHY,WHAT and why only their 2 girls ??? So please stop with the non sense of the PARENTS REQUESTED DETAILS TO NOT BE DIVULGED !! IT IS LIES!!!

Thank you for posting this information. I wonder why the Canadian embassy has not spoken up about the inaccurate assertion by the police that the parents and embassy do not want anything disclosed or the case investigated further?

Fantastic post which took a lot of effort.

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