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Thanks James for opening such an interesting & uplifting topic. It's so nice to see so many content farangs living here in Thailand for a change. I've told so many friends who visit Thailand regularly (that is Pattaya & Puket....Not real Thailand) that they really have no idea what REAL Thailand is all about. I live in Essan & personaly think it's a little piece of heaven with some of the nicest people I have ever met in my worldly travels. Every day I see the kids in the village playing together with a big mix of ages. They have very little in western kids conceptions of what you need to be happy materialisticly but I see happy happy kids, great imaginations & very high respect for their peirs & elders.

Thank you all who have made the effort to reflect on our beautiful quality life here in the true land of smiles.

Joe.

Joe, I have 2 kids, both born in Australia.

Kids in Thailand have a real childhood, not farmed off to strangers in day care centers, so mum and dad can go to work. They play in the street with other kids, watched over by Aunts,1st, 2nd, 3rd cousins and the village as a whole. They are not forced to stay in house in front of a TV because the streets are to dangerous to venture out. That's why we came here and when the kids get big enough they can choose, a simple life here or the bright lights of Sydney or London. That is their life, my part is to give them the happy child hood, so they can grow to be happy adults.

Material wealth does not bring contentment, if you have a secure life style, food to eat and a place to sleep, what more do you need. Jim

Man do you ever leave the Village? Try the Mountain lifestyle, no Medicine, no Work, no School, not enough to eat. Evidently you have never seen Poverty. Next time in BKK try walking around Klong Toey. I can,t believe no one has challenged your Myopic View. In Buddism we are taught to put up with our lot, so just because you don,t hear them complain doesn,t mean its all Beer and Skittles. If a Family,s Old Man drinks all the money or Mum Gambles it, couldn,t that reduce people to Poverty which you said in the OP that you don,t see, only Happy children and Contented Serfs .

No one is saying that there is absolutely no poverty in Thailand, just that it is in the minority.

If you want to see lots and lots of real poverty, go to Cambodia.

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I can understand the OP points to an extent but why state he is 'Sick of Dogooders' Surely it is up to the individuals what they do as long as they don't directly affect you. No one is asking you to join them or to give money. Time will tell if the ones trying to make a life better for others are doing a good job or are misguided and wasting their money in trying to force a change where it maybe is not neccessary or welcome.They have an agenda where they think they are helping others. But this is not mine or your problem.Their (the doggoders as you call them) perogative. If these people were not around including charities then the world in general would be a lot worse off. Some people feel good about giving to others while others only think of themselves. I agree there are many who ask for and get handouts where they can and should be doing more for themselves but there is and always be others that can't and need help.

How others spend their time or money is no concern of yours or mine unless we wish to help by getting involved. If not let the 'Dogooders' get on with it if it makes them happy.

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Thanks James for opening such an interesting & uplifting topic. It's so nice to see so many content farangs living here in Thailand for a change. I've told so many friends who visit Thailand regularly (that is Pattaya & Puket....Not real Thailand) that they really have no idea what REAL Thailand is all about. I live in Essan & personaly think it's a little piece of heaven with some of the nicest people I have ever met in my worldly travels. Every day I see the kids in the village playing together with a big mix of ages. They have very little in western kids conceptions of what you need to be happy materialisticly but I see happy happy kids, great imaginations & very high respect for their peirs & elders.

Thank you all who have made the effort to reflect on our beautiful quality life here in the true land of smiles.

Joe.

Joe, I have 2 kids, both born in Australia.

Kids in Thailand have a real childhood, not farmed off to strangers in day care centers, so mum and dad can go to work. They play in the street with other kids, watched over by Aunts,1st, 2nd, 3rd cousins and the village as a whole. They are not forced to stay in house in front of a TV because the streets are to dangerous to venture out. That's why we came here and when the kids get big enough they can choose, a simple life here or the bright lights of Sydney or London. That is their life, my part is to give them the happy child hood, so they can grow to be happy adults.

Material wealth does not bring contentment, if you have a secure life style, food to eat and a place to sleep, what more do you need. Jim

Man do you ever leave the Village? Try the Mountain lifestyle, no Medicine, no Work, no School, not enough to eat. Evidently you have never seen Poverty. Next time in BKK try walking around Klong Toey. I can,t believe no one has challenged your Myopic View. In Buddism we are taught to put up with our lot, so just because you don,t hear them complain doesn,t mean its all Beer and Skittles. If a Family,s Old Man drinks all the money or Mum Gambles it, couldn,t that reduce people to Poverty which you said in the OP that you don,t see, only Happy children and Contented Serfs .

I know that the slums of BKK are bad and the dogooders can go there, that is westernization big cities, they are not needed here. As to drunken fathers and gambling mothers, that infers they have money in the first place and no extended family support. Again not prevalent in my area, they are the type that end up in BKK.

Which mountains do you refer to, as I live at the bottom of the mountains on the Lao land border. Jim

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I live near Doi Internon, where the Locals can,t even get Thai Pasports .

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In your Op you said that maybe, you having one pair of Shoes could be classed as Poverty.cheesy.gif

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I can understand the OP points to an extent but why state he is 'Sick of Dogooders' Surely it is up to the individuals what they do as long as they don't directly affect you. No one is asking you to join them or to give money. Time will tell if the ones trying to make a life better for others are doing a good job or are misguided and wasting their money in trying to force a change where it maybe is not neccessary or welcome.They have an agenda where they think they are helping others. But this is not mine or your problem.Their (the doggoders as you call them) perogative. If these people were not around including charities then the world in general would be a lot worse off. Some people feel good about giving to others while others only think of themselves. I agree there are many who ask for and get handouts where they can and should be doing more for themselves but there is and always be others that can't and need help.

How others spend their time or money is no concern of yours or mine unless we wish to help by getting involved. If not let the 'Dogooders' get on with it if it makes them happy.

Think I said I am sick of dogooders posting story's about the abject poverty of rural Issan and how they came to bring happiness and western ideas to the down trodden. They want to spend time and money feeding their egos, again fine, but don't go telling the world that rural Issan is a living hell, it's not, it's my home.

I am sure if some one started posting t how your home country was a total shit hole of poverty and hunger, you may take offense. Jim

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I live near Doi Internon, where the Locals can,t even get Thai Pasports .

You are talking stateless people, not farming rural Thais. That's a world wide problem not only a Thai thing. I am talking people who have lived for generations off the land, have stable social systems, never had real money, but live good happy content lives. Jim

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In your Op you said that maybe, you having one pair of Shoes could be classed as Poverty.cheesy.gif

Said I didn't have a pair of shoes, only work boots, lucky not much in the way of snow round here. Jim

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I live on the other side of Thailand in Khampaeng Phet province near the Mae Wong national park.

There are not that many "poor" people here and not everyone has a pickup truck but most have a motorbike,TV, mobile phone, somewhere to live, be it ever so 'umble and nobody is starving.

Not that many are very rich either and most of the kids go to school though not all of them finish the full course.

Most seem to be fairly happy and have enough for cigarettes, lao kao etc and some of the women come to play cards with my MIL. Nobody wins or loses that much though they take it very seriously and I think that over a month they come out roughly even. I used to wonder to myself if they had anything better to do and after a while I worked out that they actually didn't have anything better to do.

In my western way of thinking I can always find things to do, go online, play games on the computer, read a book, do odd jobs around the house and land but the can't because they don't have a computer or they can't get an online connection, they don't read books but they do watch TV, eat and talk to each other and boy do they talk.

Fortunately we don't get any do-gooders coming this way I am glad to say.

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I think I might have sobered up enough to remenber what I previousy wanted to say about Isaan. My daughter went to boarding school in Si Sa Ket for 6 years and was very happy there. She is now in university in Bangkok. We have many friends from her school chums and their parents. My daughter has stayed at their houses and her friends have stayed with us. What I particularly remember is my wife apologising to one girl who stayed with us that the house was not particularly "Suay". Her comment was she didnt look at people houses but looked for a good heart. I think this sums up the better part of Isaan

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I live on the other side of Thailand in Khampaeng Phet province near the Mae Wong national park.

There are not that many "poor" people here and not everyone has a pickup truck but most have a motorbike,TV, mobile phone, somewhere to live, be it ever so 'umble and nobody is starving.

Not that many are very rich either and most of the kids go to school though not all of them finish the full course.

Most seem to be fairly happy and have enough for cigarettes, lao kao etc and some of the women come to play cards with my MIL. Nobody wins or loses that much though they take it very seriously and I think that over a month they come out roughly even. I used to wonder to myself if they had anything better to do and after a while I worked out that they actually didn't have anything better to do.

In my western way of thinking I can always find things to do, go online, play games on the computer, read a book, do odd jobs around the house and land but the can't because they don't have a computer or they can't get an online connection, they don't read books but they do watch TV, eat and talk to each other and boy do they talk.

Fortunately we don't get any do-gooders coming this way I am glad to say.

I heard JW's are in your area soon. whistling.gif .............................laugh.png

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very interesting post Jim and i agree with you to a certain extent. next month wifey and my 2 year old daughter make our annual trip to the village and for those few weeks i love it there and the different pace of life/different values. i know a lot of other foreigner husbands who wouldnt set foot in their wife's village because they're snobs=their loss

on previous two trips my daughter loved life in the village; nature, animals, playing outside(which she cant do at home). but by living their we would limit her future. it reminds of that english guy living as a farmer in issan(the one on youtube, speak thai fluently and advises on farming issues). his children are growing up in the village. some might argue he's denying them a decent education and deciding their future for himself but hey they're his kids

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shitloads of gambling, drunks, petty thefts, laziness, crude behavior, dirty-muddy or dusty, water runs/water doesn't run, electric works/electric cuts off, extortion, loansharking, ignorant jealous peasants many, stinks of rubber/burning garbage, and smiles to coverup true thoughts.... I'm trying to hum a mary poppins tune to this, these are a few of my favorite things (my village is).

but, there are some good points too...please remind me.

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very interesting post Jim and i agree with you to a certain extent. next month wifey and my 2 year old daughter make our annual trip to the village and for those few weeks i love it there and the different pace of life/different values. i know a lot of other foreigner husbands who wouldnt set foot in their wife's village because they're snobs=their loss

on previous two trips my daughter loved life in the village; nature, animals, playing outside(which she cant do at home). but by living their we would limit her future. it reminds of that english guy living as a farmer in issan(the one on youtube, speak thai fluently and advises on farming issues). his children are growing up in the village. some might argue he's denying them a decent education and deciding their future for himself but hey they're his kids

Fair points on the education for kids, all things I considered when we moved here. Often here this, the kids have a limited future living in the countryside, but do they really.

My kids have a much better chance of say becoming a doctor in Thailand than in Australia. Well no chance in OZ as it costs over $250,000 to attend medical school. They are young, have plenty of time and the best teaching system in the world is there on your computer screen.

Anyway maybe the dogooders will come over and sponsor them the attend Uni in the USA, won't hold my breathe on that one. Jim

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shitloads of gambling, drunks, petty thefts, laziness, crude behavior, dirty-muddy or dusty, water runs/water doesn't run, electric works/electric cuts off, extortion, loansharking, ignorant jealous peasants many, stinks of rubber/burning garbage, and smiles to coverup true thoughts.... I'm trying to hum a mary poppins tune to this, these are a few of my favorite things (my village is).

but, there are some good points too...please remind me.

Glenn, when you awake tomorrow morning, think would I rather be here, or getting up to go to work back in the US. Jim
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