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Do not expect them to read it here. Most of them only read one book.

I take it you're refering to my wee story mate. Thanks for the advice. Maybe I should just remain in the audience in future. Still, It's been an interesting thread & I've ejoyed alot of the comments. Shame it seems to have gone off on a tangent though.

I really hope someone does take the time to read what took me bloomin ages to write coz it's all true.

Essan is my home & I love it & all the people around me.

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Do not expect them to read it here. Most of them only read one book.

I take it you're refering to my wee story mate. Thanks for the advice. Maybe I should just remain in the audience in future. Still, It's been an interesting thread & I've ejoyed alot of the comments. Shame it seems to have gone off on a tangent though.

I really hope someone does take the time to read what took me bloomin ages to write coz it's all true.

Essan is my home & I love it & all the people around me.

Sorry mate....I did read it and it is partly why I posted. I was refering to those NGOs who come having the certainty that it is what they are meant to do as they read it in one book and then do not even have the decency to learn to leave what is good alone and just improve things in local ways. I have a particular dislike of those religions that try to change cultures though a few of them do at least try to do good/

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I may be totally wrong, things must be bad here, because, as the need must be massive, worse than Cambodia or Africa.

Here's a bit from the Thai NGO awards 2011

There are 65,457 NGOs in Thailand working to promote education, public health, social welfare and associations’ promotion. These NGOs provide the populace with a voice in decision-making and work in co-ordination with the government to develop the country. They have also contributed to socio-economic growth, considering the sector’s GDP that is accounted for 72,112 million Baht that created 792,517 volunteering jobs in 2008

The must be a massive need, at those numbers you would think there was a do gooder under ever tree. Jim

wow, these figures show there is something massively wrong here, and it's not Thailand, Isaan or it's alleged poverty!

65000 NGOs <deleted>!!!

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I may be totally wrong, things must be bad here, because, as the need must be massive, worse than Cambodia or Africa.

Here's a bit from the Thai NGO awards 2011

There are 65,457 NGOs in Thailand working to promote education, public health, social welfare and associations’ promotion. These NGOs provide the populace with a voice in decision-making and work in co-ordination with the government to develop the country. They have also contributed to socio-economic growth, considering the sector’s GDP that is accounted for 72,112 million Baht that created 792,517 volunteering jobs in 2008

The must be a massive need, at those numbers you would think there was a do gooder under ever tree. Jim

wow, these figures show there is something massively wrong here, and it's not Thailand, Isaan or it's alleged poverty!

65000 NGOs <deleted>!!!

Guess if you want to set up some sort of charity, better to come here than say Pakistan. Nice beaches, friendly people, good food. The poor will always be with us, but if you want to help, better to help from a 5 star hotel than a dirt hut.

By the way I am still awaiting those that support these groups to post anything they have actually done in Issan, seems a lot of money has been donated by good people through out the world to help, but where has it gone. Jim

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I may be totally wrong, things must be bad here, because, as the need must be massive, worse than Cambodia or Africa.

Here's a bit from the Thai NGO awards 2011

There are 65,457 NGOs in Thailand working to promote education, public health, social welfare and associations’ promotion. These NGOs provide the populace with a voice in decision-making and work in co-ordination with the government to develop the country. They have also contributed to socio-economic growth, considering the sector’s GDP that is accounted for 72,112 million Baht that created 792,517 volunteering jobs in 2008

The must be a massive need, at those numbers you would think there was a do gooder under ever tree. Jim

wow, these figures show there is something massively wrong here, and it's not Thailand, Isaan or it's alleged poverty!

65000 NGOs <deleted>!!!

Guess if you want to set up some sort of charity, better to come here than say Pakistan. Nice beaches, friendly people, good food. The poor will always be with us, but if you want to help, better to help from a 5 star hotel than a dirt hut.

By the way I am still awaiting those that support these groups to post anything they have actually done in Issan, seems a lot of money has been donated by good people through out the world to help, but where has it gone. Jim

there was a video done by an eastern european journalist on the activities of missionaries in Thailand... I can't find the link :-/

EDIT: found it:

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You want to see some slick ngo's go to cambodia, they put africa to shame on living good. Being the lazy bastard I am I tried getting into that field years ago but its a closed club.

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Well I am off the net for a few days, off to the Issan farang farmers meeting, but just a passing comment. Seen some good done here by individuals, brother brought the play ground for the local village kindergarten. Friends bring clothes, and school stuff when they come, I supplied a TV and video and some DVDs of sesame street to the kindergarten. Does it really make a difference, don't think so. Makes me feel good and the kids have a party. Wife money allowing feeds and buys ice cream for the primary school on her birthday, a little party. There are people through out Thailand doing little bits here and there, who are making a bigger difference combined, than an NGO with millions of dollars do. Jim

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Way to go Jim......

BTW just watched "Occupation" British TV movie......one thread of the storyline was about the funneling of billions of dollars for the "rebuild" of infrastructure in Iraq .....don't know how much of it was true in actuality...but likely methinks.

Makes ya blood boil....

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Well I am off the net for a few days, off to the Issan farang farmers meeting, but just a passing comment. Seen some good done here by individuals, brother brought the play ground for the local village kindergarten. Friends bring clothes, and school stuff when they come, I supplied a TV and video and some DVDs of sesame street to the kindergarten. Does it really make a difference, don't think so. Makes me feel good and the kids have a party. Wife money allowing feeds and buys ice cream for the primary school on her birthday, a little party. There are people through out Thailand doing little bits here and there, who are making a bigger difference combined, than an NGO with millions of dollars do. Jim

Dear James. I was upset by your OP Header to start with, bagging good hearted people that try and help the poor. you then made a comparison that as I have no shoes I guess that makes me poor(FW). You also said no one stops them building bigger houses, what with. Poverty doen,t pay. Free Health and Milk was mentioned. As we pay for what we get I know the 30baht Scheme doesn,t help if you need Cancer Treatment and the free Milk I,m sure will benifit Kids, but they don,t give it out Willy Nilly to the Poor. Maybe the Thais you wrote of won,t work , but nearly all I know work 6days a week and still can,t make ends meet. Ever tried cutting Cane, maybe they need some rest after doing it for 5 months at a time. You said you live near/in Forest, well most of Issan isn.t Forest and one cannot go out and shoot for food.

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Lets be sure of our facts here. The free milk and 30baht schemes are very much government, not NGO controlled. The 30 baht scheme doesnt in fact offer services to cancer patients. Bits of jungle near me and the locals all have rifles for shooting game. Farmers here work hard when the need demands, rice planting and harvesting. Many of todays youth have fallen into lazy drunkeness. But most Thais in my village will take the opportunity to rest and relax when they can.

The point here is many of the schemes funded via NGO's are designed to assist fill a perceived need rather than a real one. For example, supply the local village with a tractor and slasher to cut the grass, good idea until the diesel runs out or the tractor breaks, then it will be the way it always has been, buy a cow or a buffalo. Not everyone wants much of the "assistance" offered.

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The only reason the village kids look poor is because theyre dirty from playing outside with their mates from around the village.

Not sitting inside by themselves playing video games.

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I hear what your saying OP, but your not exactly right.

Issan people are poor. fact.

The farmers that I know are underpayed. fact.

If any falang want to put a bit of their cash into helping others in villages, then good on em I say...why should it bother you?...its not your money theyre spending.

You gotta relax a bit mate

Rest that ankle..

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The people in Issan had no idea they were poor until they got televisions. Now they watch the soap operas and realize that some Thai people are incredibly wealthy. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing. Life goes on for them and a full belly is happiness.

True dat!...long as there is rice in cupboard, alls good!

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I hear what your saying OP, but your not exactly right.

Issan people are poor. fact.

The farmers that I know are underpayed. fact.

If any falang want to put a bit of their cash into helping others in villages, then good on em I say...why should it bother you?...its not your money theyre spending.

You gotta relax a bit mate

Rest that ankle..

Issan people are happy . FACT!

Thai farmers are paid the equivelent to their work, FACT!

If any farang want to spend there money helping villages in Essan. Please come & live here first before you decide where to squander your or kind people;s donations.

I live here in Essan. Can I ask you where you live if you don't mind?

I know many people in our village who have a verry good income, in particular from rubber trees in my neck of the woods. I have a good few myself as well as pineaples, herbs & many other fruits, spices, herbs & veg.

Can I also ask if you don't mind where you got the idea that Essan is such a poor place?

If you don't live here & ever take the time to come here I'd be happy to show you around & relieve you of your misconceptions

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The only reason the village kids look poor is because theyre dirty from playing outside with their mates from around the village.

Not sitting inside by themselves playing video games.

Off topic and I apologize, but this is something that appeals to me. I look at our village and see myself growing up, 1950-60's values when kids could explore. The difference here is some just never grow up, they take on adult habits but remain children. Well for me let the NGO's feed the freeloaders I will not.

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