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Chris, what is your problem today, why this unkind post? "Pollute" wow, that is a nasty word in the contexts of someone participating in the forum. You can join the thread, nobody is stopping you. I am a participant on the forum like you are. You are writing what you want in response to others posts and I do too.

Would that be so bad if you said something positive about Walen for a change? Other sponsors can participate but do not, maybe they are afraid guys like you and their critique. Maybe they think it is not worth their time, or whatever different reason. I am glad to participate and I believe Walen has contributed a lot to the whole topic of the Thai language on TV.

Also if you notice probably about a month I was not posting anything, I can check but that would be about right so it is not like I am flooding the forum but participate on a reasonable basis as I have been for over 2 years.

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What we offer also is rotation of teachers that is not happening at any other school

Not true. AUA rotate their teachers frequently within a single course. Pasawet AAA Union school rotate their teachers from one course to the next - an ideal system that balances continuity with variety. Those are just two schools I know of from my own personal experience.

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I did not mean that we change teachers, you perhaps mix the two things, changing and rotating, rotating means that you have the same teacher every 3-4 lessons, so this way 3-4 teachers are teaching the same class. If there are not enough classes at the same time total rotation is not possible however we are doing our best to have a different teacher every lesson. Also because we have precisely structured course teachers know exactly what was taught and what needs to be taught next. This system works like "Swiss" watch. I just invited you to our school for free lessons. Get to know us better, you will have more positive things to say.

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I can't really make sense of what you're saying, but if I undestand you aright that is the same as what they do at AUA.

I take it that I am invited to go to any school that is open for business. My time is limited - I will visit the ones that are most likely to fill my needs, which is preparing for the gov't exam. Has your school got any experience in this? Can you actually give a straight yes/no answer rather than fudge together a marketing spin?

There are many questions that are raised by your participation in this forum, one of which is if you want to promote your school through the discssion threads as well as the banner adverts, why don't you ever answer any of thai language questions that come up here? If people saw your demonstrating your own proficiency and your willingness to help others that would be a far more impressive and respectable way to use the forum to yours and our mutual benefit. คนที่ฉลาดจะช่วยเหลือคนอื่นก่อนตัวเอง คิดเหมือนกันรึเปล่า mcawalen?

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เรายินดีที่จะสอนภาษาไทยในโรงเรียนของเราไม่ใช่สอนในฟอร์รัม เรายังยินดีที่จะตอบคำถามนักเรียนของเราเสมอ

ขอบคุณที่เข้าใจและขอบคุณที่ทดสอบภาษาไทยของผม

For those that can't read Thai, I asked Walen whether he agreed with the statement that smart people see the value in helping others before helping themselves. His reply is that Walen teaches Thai at school not on the forum.

ถ้างั้นก็ไม่ฉลาด แล้วจะมีเรื่องกับ forum regulars เสมอ

(My reply says that in that case he will always have a problem with the forum regulars)

Sorry to edit so late after posting, but i wanted to point out that the point of the Thai language forum is for people to help and teach each other Thai, not to advertise your school.

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The point of the forum is indeed being a helpful environment to learn the Thai language, but without sponsors this forum would not exist.

Maintaining a huge forum with lots of traffic costs a great deal of money and in Thaivisa's model, this is financed by sponsorship.

Please refrain from hounding our sponsors. Thanks.

Sponsors do have the right to advertise their services in the forum, but there is also a limit to how pervasive this advertising can be before it gets on people's nerves.

So let's all - please - take a step back, to make sure the forum stays a supportive and pleasant place to visit.

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The point of the forum is indeed being a helpful environment to learn the Thai language, but without sponsors this forum would not exist.

Maintaining a huge forum with lots of traffic costs a great deal of money and in Thaivisa's model, this is financed by sponsorship.

Please refrain from hounding our sponsors. Thanks.

Sponsors do have the right to advertise their services in the forum, but there is also a limit to how pervasive this advertising can be before it gets on people's nerves.

So let's all - please - try to take a step back, to make sure the forum stays a supportive and pleasant place to visit.

Thanks for bringing some clarity to the issue Meadish. I have re-read the forum rules several times over the previous few hours trying to establish if what has been going on in this thread is a 'contravention' of the rules or not.

I'm still none the wiser - what constitutes 'hounding' from me (and others) and what constitutes 'a limit' for walen? I'm not being facetious, some guidelines for both sponsors and users need to be established. Maybe its not something you can answer off the cuff, but it would be welcome to all, I'm sure, if we all knew what was acceptable on both sides.

A forum without users, after all, will not attract or keep many sponsors.

Thanks

Softwater

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I'll be back with more clear replies. Thanks for letting this rest in the meanwhile. :)

Dear Super-Moderator. Respectfully, I have read this thread with interest, and I can readily understand the viewpoints of all posters on this thread.

As a suggestion, would it not be a peaceable solution if; Firstly, a sponser were to open their own thread and ply their marketed product on that thread? Secondly, to then submit their views on threads that are not started with the intention to have it turned into a long-winded marketing ad campaign (I say this respectfuly to Mr. Walen), and then; Thirdly, offer a short, one-time, summary statement about the solution that their marketed product provides, and then provide a link to the thread that they created to address this, and then; Fourthly; drop it?

It would be interesting to see how many members actually viewed, or even contributed to a thread that a sponser started. I submit that the thread would be viewed as nothing more than an advertisement in "thread" form and would get no more attention than any other ad in any other form.

I feel this thread has been disengenuous to posters, including discretionary sponsors, who wish to sort things out on their own; and to not have the OP turn into a "one man against the world" debacle. I think people get the point after a few times. Personally, I would have started my own thread touting my my wares, and then respectfully offered once for people to visit it by providing a link to it on other threads that I posted on; or perhaps even say it in my signature. It really isn't about one's right to promote or solicite, is it? It seems to be more about letting the kid know where the horn button is on the steering wheel and then letting the kid "honk" away, regardless of what the neighbors say.

Just my opinion.

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The issue of quality Thai education, and being able to pass a language test for foreigners is a two edged sword. On the one hand you have customers who truly wish to learn the Thai language, take the test and pass it, and then be done with it. Yet this also means that to be done with a Thai language course is to also be done with an ED Student Visa. Then what? Back to a tourist visa?

Many people cannot afford a retirement visa, or even find the means to get a work permit. And the other visa options are just as difficult to get, if not harder. The tourist visa is becoming an annoying sore in the sides of people who used to be able to stay here for quite a long time on back-to-backs. Many people find Thailand to be a lovely place to stay, as well as to get a new start on life; or even linger and learn how to be a better person. Of course, there will always be the sordid types, yet we all know the drill when it comes to discussion about these issues.

At the end of the day, a private, non-government-funded language school must rely on customers in order to pay the bills. As these schools are operating on money out of the pockets of the individuals who founded them, I can tell you that it is a very competitive market. The truth of the matter is that there are very few individuals who seek such a pious endeavor to learn the Thai language to the point of shedding their student visa and moving on. Were this not the point, then student visas would not be offered for 5 or 10 years.

Furthermore, the market in getting Thai people to learn English for a reasonable sum is about as lucrative as selling ice-cubes to Eskimos. It is my opinion that Thailand is still not yet getting the message thatthey will be passed up by other ASEAN nations who are earnestly teaching English to their peoples. Thailand seems to think that it does not need the English language to get by in this global market and I believe that they will be in for a rather large surprise in the future. Learning Thai, on the other hand, is only as effective and as far-reaching as the borders of this fine country.

At the end of the day, the customer always comes first, and most markets I am aware of are customer-driven. There will always be good points and bad points about how a language school chooses to market its product, yet it is a risk that these business people must take in what they must feel is a need to keep their business running, and to - hopefully - pass on a bit of language and culture to those customers who chose to apply their powers to the lessons.

As to the matter or concern over whether or not a customer is using the visa to cheat on staying in Thailand much easier than the tourist visa, well then... I submit that I have not yet met any individual who has earned the right to point a finger at anyone but their own self when it comes to motive and intent. Besides, I have taught in Government schools and the psychology is a reverse picture; where the kids yearn for an education yet are denied by jaded teachers, head slaps, hair and ear pulling, bamboo-stick beatings, verbal degradation, and government grants that appear in the form of luggage racks on Lexus SUV's rather than good salaries for qualified teachers, and solid teaching methods that are proven effective.

At the end of the day, it is the customer that drives the market and not the program that "should" or "must" be jammed down their throat simply because it is interpreted as ethical or moral in the minds of a few.

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Walen I would like to challenge you to your word and will give a full report back to the forum on your course provided.

I am a 48 year old Scot but half Italian. I speak 5 languages fluently and can read and speak a bit of Thai.

I challenge you to improve my Thai in 5 days, both written and spoken. Looking forward to your reply

Macanello

PS I am in Bangkok ( I live here)

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Walen I would like to challenge you to your word and will give a full report back to the forum on your course provided.

I am a 48 year old Scot but half Italian. I speak 5 languages fluently and can read and speak a bit of Thai.

I challenge you to improve my Thai in 5 days, both written and spoken. Looking forward to your reply

Macanello

PS I am in Bangkok ( I live here)

I can take you up on the speaking part as well as on reading, writing takes more time unfortunately. When do you want to start? I offer you 6 lessons a day free as a special case, if after that time you want to enroll you will pay for those lessons, if not they are free. You can get to know teachers, staff, talk to students and get a good idea about the method after a week of classes.

Waiting for your response.

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I am happy to offer you one week free, no problem. We will offer you regular schedules, you can decide if you want to come for 9 lessons or 15 lessons.

let me know.

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Awhile back, I had posted some concerns on this forum that I had had about Walen School in Bangkok after attending some classes there (about a couple of its teachers). And, I had chosen to discontinue classes at the school in Bangkok. After moving to Pattaya, I had asked MacWalen if I could try his school in Pattaya and he kindly agreed for me to do so-- with enthusiasm.

Since I had posted a "negative" when/where there was a negative, I'd like to now post a "positive" where there is a positive. The teachers I have had in Pattaya are good, two of them I'd say are excellent. The physical facilities are also very nice (which is cetainly a plus for the learning experience). Bottom line, if you like the teaching method Walen uses, I'd definetly recommend the school in Pattaya with its current teachers.

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Awhile back, I had posted some concerns on this forum that I had had about Walen School in Bangkok after attending some classes there (about a couple of its teachers). And, I had chosen to discontinue classes at the school in Bangkok. After moving to Pattaya, I had asked MacWalen if I could try his school in Pattaya and he kindly agreed for me to do so-- with enthusiasm.

Since I had posted a "negative" when/where there was a negative, I'd like to now post a "positive" where there is a positive. The teachers I have had in Pattaya are good, two of them I'd say are excellent. The physical facilities are also very nice (which is cetainly a plus for the learning experience). Bottom line, if you like the teaching method Walen uses, I'd definetly recommend the school in Pattaya with its current teachers.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to post a reply to my ? and post that is directly above yours. I am glad to hear that it worked out for you. Did you have a problem with the care given or something else? I am trying to decide where to go myself

Thanks

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