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Asking for advice or experience of similar stuff.

Few days ago a Thai friend of mine in our village was attacked late at night in his home by 4 guys who beat the shit out of him with clubs. The reasons were trivial and just amounted to his wife getting into an argument over 100Baht.

Needless to say he is in hospital. the local amphur police have so far done nothing and the village boss says he doesn't want anything to do with it and they should come to a financial arrangement.

The guy and his wife want the attackers, who are known, to be locked up. The poo yai ban employs the attackers on his land so I think that explains his lack of outrage and he obviously knows the amphur police well so I suspect there has been a bit of consultation going on as to what to do or not to do.

This is the sort offence that in the UK may well be classed as attempted murder and certainly GBH +++ Probably an 8-10 year sentence

My question is this. Should they go to a higher police office and report the lack of action. They are currently at the hospital in Chayapoum town so it would seem the convenient thing to do. Also should they consult a lawyer who may well have police contacts in order to get things moving? After much badgering the amphur police have said they cannot do anything until the friend presents himself at the station to fill out the complaint.

This I think is rubbish and just stalling as the crime is serious and obvious and the villains are known. Perhaps by complaining to a larger police staion they may get some response.

My biggest worry is that if things are not sorted and the bad guys locked up my friend will take matters into his own hands which will escalate the violence considerably.

Would appreciate any advice

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I figured that would be at least one view but he is a friend and to me that means something whatever his nationality. Equally I don't want to become involved inwhat could become a long term feud and have to watch my back for the next 20 years.

I was going to vist him in hospital but he advised against it for that very reason so my help will stay in the background and to do that I need to give him the best advice as to what he can do. The police tend to think of all villagers as stupid so they can just ignore them if they wish so I want them to show they are not stupid.

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I figured that would be at least one view but he is a friend and to me that means something whatever his nationality. Equally I don't want to become involved inwhat could become a long term feud and have to watch my back for the next 20 years.

I was going to vist him in hospital but he advised against it for that very reason so my help will stay in the background and to do that I need to give him the best advice as to what he can do. The police tend to think of all villagers as stupid so they can just ignore them if they wish so I want them to show they are not stupid.

That's just what you think they think and may not be true at all.

You're talking about rural Thailand. Survival of the strongest is still very much the rule here. Your friend is basically powerless to do anything about this situation.

Depeding on how influential his attackers are, either he takes matters into his own hands to resolve this or he will just have to accept it. You will only make matters worse if you get involved

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Few days ago a Thai friend of mine in our village was attacked late at night in his home by 4 guys who beat the shit out of him with clubs. The reasons were trivial and just amounted to his wife getting into an argument over 100Baht.

The guy may well be a friend, but are you being told the whole story.

I have found at times Thais can be very economical with the truth.

I have also observed over the years, you dont just get beaten up by 4 guys for no reason, the main reasons are usually, loss of face, money or women,

The beating may well have been the last in a chain of events leading up to this, you may well be unaware of what led to this.

Until you know all the facts its hard to know exactly what happened.

Forget the UK, you are living in medieval fuedal Thailand.

Lets be honest, a poo yai baan in this day and age.

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I figured that would be at least one view but he is a friend and to me that means something whatever his nationality. Equally I don't want to become involved inwhat could become a long term feud and have to watch my back for the next 20 years.

I was going to vist him in hospital but he advised against it for that very reason so my help will stay in the background and to do that I need to give him the best advice as to what he can do. The police tend to think of all villagers as stupid so they can just ignore them if they wish so I want them to show they are not stupid.

That's just what you think they think and may not be true at all.

You're talking about rural Thailand. Survival of the strongest is still very much the rule here. Your friend is basically powerless to do anything about this situation.

Depeding on how influential his attackers are, either he takes matters into his own hands to resolve this or he will just have to accept it. You will only make matters worse if you get involved

Thinking about what other people may think or not think is a waste of thinking in my thoughful opinion!

This is about what they can do other than go and shoot the bad guys because that is very likey to happen if they feel there is no other way.

I am trying to find this other way and advise them of it. His attackers are not influencial just poor farm workers. Come the crunch the poo yai ban will not stand by them but as of now it is a question of how to make the authorities pay attention.

At the moment they are all hoping that if things are delayed long enough it will just go away.

How to kick start them into meaningful action is what i would like to know.

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I figured that would be at least one view but he is a friend and to me that means something whatever his nationality. Equally I don't want to become involved inwhat could become a long term feud and have to watch my back for the next 20 years.

I was going to vist him in hospital but he advised against it for that very reason so my help will stay in the background and to do that I need to give him the best advice as to what he can do. The police tend to think of all villagers as stupid so they can just ignore them if they wish so I want them to show they are not stupid.

That's just what you think they think and may not be true at all.

You're talking about rural Thailand. Survival of the strongest is still very much the rule here. Your friend is basically powerless to do anything about this situation.

Depeding on how influential his attackers are, either he takes matters into his own hands to resolve this or he will just have to accept it. You will only make matters worse if you get involved

Thinking about what other people may think or not think is a waste of thinking in my thoughful opinion!

This is about what they can do other than go and shoot the bad guys because that is very likey to happen if they feel there is no other way.

I am trying to find this other way and advise them of it. His attackers are not influencial just poor farm workers. Come the crunch the poo yai ban will not stand by them but as of now it is a question of how to make the authorities pay attention.

At the moment they are all hoping that if things are delayed long enough it will just go away.

How to kick start them into meaningful action is what i would like to know.

May I respectfully suggest that you apply this to the situation you are endeavouring to involve yourself in.

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Just keep out of it nosey falang... They dont live or defend themselves like us.. In my wifes villang 10 men chopped a guys head off with a machete only to find out it was the wrong guy they wanted.. stay out of it this aint your country where law exists

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Somo, been there done that and I am an ex cop and prison officer, UK and OZ.

Best advise keep out of it, but if you want to get involved, or believe you should stand up for the right, there are ways.

First don't deal with the local cops if you are not connected, the local police are usually locals and family ties go along way. I can not get a ticket out here, wife calls the local police chief Pa. Small thing, yet when we caught a guy selling stolen rubber he would not act. Family connections, not only to him, but many of the officers under his command, they have to live in the same villages.

District Governor, not the elected one the one appointed by BKK, not a local and we have had lunch many a time. Go see him, he phones the Police district commander. Tells him to get his ass into gear, next day the rubber thief is in cuffs and gives up all his rubber stealing friends.

Not really different from the west, it's who you know, not what is just.

BIL got beaten up 2 years ago, went to the police, nothing they could do. He returned with the FIL [ district life time job coroner type] and a few of the local village heads Cops could do nothing, no case to prosecute, but if the ring leader disappeared there would be no investigation.

This year alone the border army around here has pulled out 6 bodies and it's a big jungle out there.

Don't think your western ideas hold firm here, Karma is real and those who do bad will end up being taken care off in the end.

Even in the west we used to say, what goes around, comes around. Jim

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Just keep out of it nosey falang... They dont live or defend themselves like us.. In my wifes villang 10 men chopped a guys head off with a machete only to find out it was the wrong guy they wanted.. stay out of it this aint your country where law exists

You are clearly racist so please stop offering advice.

Please only post if you have something positive to say as to how I can advise my friend.

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Somo, been there done that and I am an ex cop and prison officer, UK and OZ.

Best advise keep out of it, but if you want to get involved, or believe you should stand up for the right, there are ways.

First don't deal with the local cops if you are not connected, the local police are usually locals and family ties go along way. I can not get a ticket out here, wife calls the local police chief Pa. Small thing, yet when we caught a guy selling stolen rubber he would not act. Family connections, not only to him, but many of the officers under his command, they have to live in the same villages.

District Governor, not the elected one the one appointed by BKK, not a local and we have had lunch many a time. Go see him, he phones the Police district commander. Tells him to get his ass into gear, next day the rubber thief is in cuffs and gives up all his rubber stealing friends.

Not really different from the west, it's who you know, not what is just.

BIL got beaten up 2 years ago, went to the police, nothing they could do. He returned with the FIL [ district life time job coroner type] and a few of the local village heads Cops could do nothing, no case to prosecute, but if the ring leader disappeared there would be no investigation.

This year alone the border army around here has pulled out 6 bodies and it's a big jungle out there.

Don't think your western ideas hold firm here, Karma is real and those who do bad will end up being taken care off in the end.

Even in the west we used to say, what goes around, comes around. Jim

At last a considered reply, thank you JC

Not having any significant connections is it worth going to the city police (perhaps with a financial incentive) who are more removed from the situation in the hope they will get the amphur police to act?

Also could a lawyer do anything to get things moving or are they most likely a waste of time and money.

Like I said above I am not stupid enough to get directly involved (never been any good with guns) but just want to research the best advice I can give in the background.

I suppose when it comes down to it I am trying to figure what i would so if it was me that was subject to such an attack.

Would I stay and fight for some kind of justice, run away, do a money deal or pick up a gun? These are my friends choices and I do sympathise with him. At the end of the day it is his choice but I want to give him the best advice as i do fear that the last option is the one he is going for.

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^^^^^^^, you are sadly mistaken if you think there is some sort of rank structure over here, where if you bypass someone and go above him his superior will override him, wrong, it dont work like that.

Its a feudal society, why do you think so many local immigration offices can apply rules that dont apply in Bkk?

A lawyer is a complete waste of time and money, only my opinion based on what I have seen and been told.

JC has nailed it, let it go or live with the fallout.

Face will come into play someday, this victim you talk of is probably already planning how to extract revenge with no comeback.

There are somethings its best not to know about.

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