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Some of you might remember a post i made some years ago about the wifes cousin getting badly beaten by a drunk at her home, the local cops wanted 10kbht to go talk with this man, cousin didnt have money, i offered to pay, Mrs says no, Nobody messes with our family, a year later this fella got a poison bamboo sliver in his ear, verdict, drunk himself to death at Sonkram,

Somo, dont get involved, it will sort itself out,

And although mrs brother is a police captain, he said he had no jurisdiction or pull in our area,

What a truthful, reasonable post from someone clearly in touch with reality in Thailand.

I'm quite surprised.

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Not young myself, but have had to sleep tooled up, or as the yanks would say. loaded for bear. My land, my kids future and come and steal from my kids, you will have a problem. Jim

For the love of Buddha move your family to a society where you don't have to sleep 'tooled up' to feel safe.

With all sincerity, just where would that be, these days?

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Not young myself, but have had to sleep tooled up, or as the yanks would say. loaded for bear. My land, my kids future and come and steal from my kids, you will have a problem. Jim

For the love of Buddha move your family to a society where you don't have to sleep 'tooled up' to feel safe.

With all sincerity, just where would that be, these days?

Sorry may not have pointed this out, we live in a jungle village, no front door, as safe as you can be in this world.

We have a problem with bandits from Lao and their junkie Thai mates who live in even more remote villages. They will steal anything they can and we have a rubber factory with 1,000s of Dollars of rubber drying on racks. Rubber is as good as cash and the factory stands in an empty road, no people around, bad boys here have access to weapons, this was still a war zone up until 1985. Governments gave guns to anyone on both sides. As said it's a big jungle out there, not a police patrolled jungle, border soldiers and they are few and far between.

Locals make their own laws and dispense their own justice. Jim

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OP asks for advice from falang; falang give advice (pretty consistently); OP gives every indication of wanting to ignore falang advice.

Seems the OP doesn't want to listen. Best stay out of it, lest he may get some unwanted visitors of his own.

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OP asks for advice from falang; falang give advice (pretty consistently); OP gives every indication of wanting to ignore falang advice.

Seems the OP doesn't want to listen. Best stay out of it, lest he may get some unwanted visitors of his own.

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If you read my previous posts you will know that I am not doing anything.

I just want to know what they should be doing. I am to a degree already involved as I am known as their friend

but deserting them would just not be a possibilty or helpful to anybody.

I do understand more as to why the police are doing nothing and people are pushing the financial settlement angle.

The most influential/richest people around our village are the owners of the company purchasing all the cassava, chipping and drying it. The bad guys owe them loads of money so off course they need to be free to work and repay it.

Having said that my wife gets on well with the owners wife as does MIL so perhaps the women will get together and sort out the men. A day or two chin wagging should see some sort of solution however temporary that may prove.

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^^^^^^^, you are sadly mistaken if you think there is some sort of rank structure over here, where if you bypass someone and go above him his superior will override him, wrong, it dont work like that.

Its a feudal society, why do you think so many local immigration offices can apply rules that dont apply in Bkk?

A lawyer is a complete waste of time and money, only my opinion based on what I have seen and been told.

JC has nailed it, let it go or live with the fallout.

Face will come into play someday, this victim you talk of is probably already planning how to extract revenge with no comeback.

There are somethings its best not to know about.

There is a very strong rank structure here. The system is hard for westerners to see, but if is there.

3 or 4 years ago while having lunch in the the big city of Buntharik. At the table was the FIL, sub district governor [ who acted as my best man/cousin for my wedding ] District and Vice Governors, plus a few other people with pull. Before anyone asks, I was not paying, that would make me above them.

Anyway I ran out off smokes, drinking bee,r have to smoke. Go to walk to the shop, Gov throws me the keys to his car.

Get stopped by a young cop at the intersection on the main road, have 50 Baht, no wallet, on ID, he is not happy.

Limited Thai, but he comes back to the restaurant.

Cop is not happy, his new posting will be in Yala or Pattenya. who you know as equals and friends make the difference here.

As an ex cop, stood up for him, he was just doing his job.

See him sometimes at a check point when taking the kids to school, just a big smile and waved through. Jim

Jim, sounds as if we are talking about opposite sides of the same coin.

I am talking about the patronage system that exists here.

Yes you may out rank someone (as in whats on your shoulder), however be aware his patron may out rank both you and your patron.

Boils down to what we all know, its all about who you know,

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I made the mistake and thought I had some Thai friends. Always trying to help when there were problems in the village. I personally don't think it was just about 100 baht and the loss of face.

I'd helped a high tourist police cop a lot, he called me his best friend. When I needed him, he'd been to busy to even listen to me.

Cops in this place of the earth help the guy who's paying more, friends are not often that what you think they are by Western standards.

Frankly said, I wouldn't get involved in your friend's problems, as they'll see you as an enemy as well. It's really down to who you know.

First instance will be that cops will try to make a financial settlement, but only if your friend wants to.

Haven't met Thais who really wanted to ask cops to help them, so let them do it the Thai way.

Most Thais here with some influence do not take foreigners serious.Not even bar girls give us a higher status than a water buffalo.

Keep your nose out and good luck.--wai2.gif

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^^^^^^^, you are sadly mistaken if you think there is some sort of rank structure over here, where if you bypass someone and go above him his superior will override him, wrong, it dont work like that.

Its a feudal society, why do you think so many local immigration offices can apply rules that dont apply in Bkk?

A lawyer is a complete waste of time and money, only my opinion based on what I have seen and been told.

JC has nailed it, let it go or live with the fallout.

Face will come into play someday, this victim you talk of is probably already planning how to extract revenge with no comeback.

There are somethings its best not to know about.

There is a very strong rank structure here. The system is hard for westerners to see, but if is there.

3 or 4 years ago while having lunch in the the big city of Buntharik. At the table was the FIL, sub district governor [ who acted as my best man/cousin for my wedding ] District and Vice Governors, plus a few other people with pull. Before anyone asks, I was not paying, that would make me above them.

Anyway I ran out off smokes, drinking bee,r have to smoke. Go to walk to the shop, Gov throws me the keys to his car.

Get stopped by a young cop at the intersection on the main road, have 50 Baht, no wallet, on ID, he is not happy.

Limited Thai, but he comes back to the restaurant.

Cop is not happy, his new posting will be in Yala or Pattenya. who you know as equals and friends make the difference here.

As an ex cop, stood up for him, he was just doing his job.

See him sometimes at a check point when taking the kids to school, just a big smile and waved through. Jim

Jim, sounds as if we are talking about opposite sides of the same coin.

I am talking about the patronage system that exists here.

Yes you may out rank someone (as in whats on your shoulder), however be aware his patron may out rank both you and your patron.

Boils down to what we all know, its all about who you know,

]Like any where in this world, it's power not money that counts. Who you know and where you are in the social structure make the difference.

My kids go to a pre school near Buntharik. maybe 100 kids, 10 teachers, 4 MacDonald type play grounds, their own private bus, TVs and DVD players in every class room. It's a free Government school, but you have to be invited to attend.

I have no illusions that I as a farang have any status out here, but wife's family have status. Not a rich family, but Government employees, old school ways.

Asked the wife why this school has all these facilities and the others have little, simple answer. Cousin is the guy who allocates the school funding, BIL is the district clerk or some thing. All the kids there are from the controlling families.

It's the west 100 years ago, money counts, but position in the social structure counts for more. Jim

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I do indeed know the full story

The wife was involved in a loud shouting match over the 100 baht and insults were thrown back and forth.

Hubby passing on his tractor said anyone messing with his wife would have to go through him and carried on thinking not too much about it.

His wife is a loud mouthed so and so but straight talking lady which is unusual in these parts and why I like her. having said all that there is history and everone in the incident is related one way or another so for sure there are emotions there I am not party too.

This may well have just been the spark who knows. All I am trying to do is give best advice whilst staying in the background.

while no one stirs things up the minor actors in the village and amphur have their way but I strongly suspect that if I can discretley give them a push from above they may start to do their duty.

It is just a question of how to prod them into it. As we all know inaction is rife here but it can be overcome I feel with incentives.

I am currently in Bangkok and already have an armed guard at my house. Bit over the top I feel as there is no obvious link to me and only my 78 year old MIL + crazy alcholic BIL there. My wifes family are however taking it seriously. Will find out more over the New Year

Armed guard? Thought you didnt do guns?

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Well, I hear the OP say he is staying out of it. That is good. Only advice I would tell him is to make out the report, take pictures of the damage to the house and himself. Maybe even something from the doctors. Take it to the police. If it ends up in the circular file-- so be it. I only know the story as told here. Even telling the police could give the message that he didn't take "this lesson" as a man and bring on a second lesson. I still think there is a lot more to this story.

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I really don't see why you would think your advice collected in part from strangers on the internet would be of any great value to a person who has lived here thier whole life and probabbly seen numerous situations just like this over the course of their life.

To be honest your advice will come from a biased perspective and from a fairly large amount of ignorance on how to deal with it in the first place. How valuable is that ?

You are hundreds of miles away with a cop sleeping on your balcony and are offering advice ? Get serious dude

My point being of course, your own actions show an inability to make very sensible decisions and you probabbly should not be advising others on how to manage their affairs until you can manage your own in a more sensible fashion especially over situations you are unfamiliar on how to manage in the first place.

2 points for you to consider ...... When giving advice it helps if you know what your talking about. When you don't know what your talking about it's best not to give advice

Their is nothing wrong with realising that you would like to help , wish you could help , would if you could , but simply don't have the knowledge or experience to be of any help in this situation. It's actually a little pompus and arrogant of you to think you can. His advice to you is far more valuable than your advice to him on matters Thai you are unfamiliar with, this matter included.

You are seriously going to run around the internet try and learn Thai culture in a week, take advice from random strangers and then try and come off as a qualified advisor ? Would you be asking yourself for advice if this had happened to you or would you be more likely to be asking him ?

Realdeal you sound the pompous one. You criticise for no reason as if you know better. You use a lot of words to say nothing other than I am wasting my time. I certainly found your post a waste of time and If that is all you have to say then judging from your reply alone you are correct. Since when was asking for advice a waste of time?

I am not trying to learn about Thai culture simply trying to find people who may have been through similar experiences and learn from them. What's wrong with that?

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