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Our Progress In Our Sober Runs

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Suggest you try out building body, once you know those beer calories jumped on your gut,

the beer becomes a bit more bitter, cardio to burn them off also sucks so you have two incentives to restrict beer.

training tip: for first 2 weeks, go home after 15 min no matter what,

so you dont get too sore to go back, your muscles takes some time to get use to work

Thanks. But, I have always been someone who dislikes that kind of stuff. I am too lazy and I get tired easily smile.png But maybe I might enrol in some kind of dance course (a kind that doesn't require too much energy/dynamism).

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I like dance that doesn't require much effort from my side too, -gogo,

but i think you are lacking incentive above all.

Well i found one, there's a girl i wanna do, but i need to look like a stud for that to happen.

Your incentive may differ, but you still need some mental image i think.

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Just wondering how you're all doing?

Thanks. My sober run continues (day 76 today) but I am really getting bored like this and my aim is actually NOT to go back to drinking heavily (in fact, my aim is NEVER to drink a lot, 'a lot' being an amount causing a bad hangover the following day. I might or might not set a specific limit beforehand). So, if I can manage to drink in moderation, I will be content.

Well, if it ever happens that I fail to drink in moderation and get drunk and have a bad hangover the following day, I will just consider it as a rare setback. I am 90 percent confident that I won't go back to former 'frequently-heavy-drinking days'.

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Let's continue to write our progress, no matter how it goes. We can't succeed all the time anyway.

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Just wondering how you're all doing?

Thanks. My sober run continues (day 76 today) but I am really getting bored like this and my aim is actually NOT to go back to drinking heavily (in fact, my aim is NEVER to drink a lot, 'a lot' being an amount causing a bad hangover the following day. I might or might not set a specific limit beforehand). So, if I can manage to drink in moderation, I will be content.

Well, if it ever happens that I fail to drink in moderation and get drunk and have a bad hangover the following day, I will just consider it as a rare setback. I am 90 percent confident that I won't go back to former 'frequently-heavy-drinking days'.

There is nothing to stop you going out to venues as you did before, you will start the night sober as do most,what you will experience, if you stay off the drink, is how those around you who drink go through the motions of the buzz of alcohol followed by lack of cohesion and intelligent conversation, if you are still sober this is the point, you can decide if this is entertainment, you may choose to stay on a while longer, or decide as the conversation has descended into drunken slaver it is time to leave. Once you have experienced a sober night or two hopefully it will re-inforce your belief that 'getting pissed' really does no person any favours. Try it, (going out I mean not getting pissed!) you can only end up reminding yourself of the suffering you go through the following day, or alternatively create a major achievement and further your awareness.

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Just wondering how you're all doing?

Thanks. My sober run continues (day 76 today) but I am really getting bored like this and my aim is actually NOT to go back to drinking heavily (in fact, my aim is NEVER to drink a lot, 'a lot' being an amount causing a bad hangover the following day. I might or might not set a specific limit beforehand). So, if I can manage to drink in moderation, I will be content.

Well, if it ever happens that I fail to drink in moderation and get drunk and have a bad hangover the following day, I will just consider it as a rare setback. I am 90 percent confident that I won't go back to former 'frequently-heavy-drinking days'.

There is nothing to stop you going out to venues as you did before, you will start the night sober as do most,what you will experience, if you stay off the drink, is how those around you who drink go through the motions of the buzz of alcohol followed by lack of cohesion and intelligent conversation, if you are still sober this is the point, you can decide if this is entertainment, you may choose to stay on a while longer, or decide as the conversation has descended into drunken slaver it is time to leave. Once you have experienced a sober night or two hopefully it will re-inforce your belief that 'getting pissed' really does no person any favours. Try it, (going out I mean not getting pissed!) you can only end up reminding yourself of the suffering you go through the following day, or alternatively create a major achievement and further your awareness.

I was thinking of the same thing as 473geo. I would only add that you might want to set up a night out with friends who respect that you are not drinking and won't try to pressure you into having one, or two, or......... I think you might find that you can have just as much fun sober as when you are drinking, perhaps more.

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Just wondering how you're all doing?

Thanks. My sober run continues (day 76 today) but I am really getting bored like this and my aim is actually NOT to go back to drinking heavily (in fact, my aim is NEVER to drink a lot, 'a lot' being an amount causing a bad hangover the following day. I might or might not set a specific limit beforehand). So, if I can manage to drink in moderation, I will be content.

Well, if it ever happens that I fail to drink in moderation and get drunk and have a bad hangover the following day, I will just consider it as a rare setback. I am 90 percent confident that I won't go back to former 'frequently-heavy-drinking days'.

Hey JemJem your day count is excellent. Just a suggestion - before you drink again go to an AA meeting and just be open-minded. Preferably go to one in a city where there are likely to be a lot of folk and no one will bother you, as it were. IN fact if you can go to a few to get a flavour of what's on offer.

I don't think anyone ever went to AA because they got drunk and woke up with a bad hangover. I think we went because inter alia we understood all the "rules", "limits" and "controls" weren't working - these come in many forms: only drink at weekends, only drink beer, only drink red wine, at least two clear days between drinking sessions, never drink on an empty stomach etc, etc. None of this is fun in real terms when you realise (or choose not to realise) that one's self-imposed controls are not working. I once tried to keep a drink diary recording how much I was drinking - it lasted three days as it became such a chore. I tried many different approaches including changing from Singha to Chang because I was getting drunk too quickly! I didn't realise Chang was actually stronger! I make this suggestion about checking out AA, and I stress it is a suggestion only, because I don't want you to throw away your new found sobriety too quickly. I used to be 95% sure I wasn't an alcoholic! Almost ten years since I last drank I think I am truly blessed to be able to say to you I am a sober alcoholic and my strength is in fact being able to say this and not drinking one day at a time.

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Gone quiet again guys, would be interesting as Jemjem said to plot your progress, even if you return to drinking, would be interesting to hear the reasoning. On another note, there have recent reports of injury/assaut to foreigners, many of them incapacitated, or at some stage in the proceedings judgement impaired by alcohol, another good reason to stay in control of your drinking, especially in a foreign country.

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Gone quiet again guys, would be interesting as Jemjem said to plot your progress, even if you return to drinking, would be interesting to hear the reasoning. On another note, there have recent reports of injury/assaut to foreigners, many of them incapacitated, or at some stage in the proceedings judgement impaired by alcohol, another good reason to stay in control of your drinking, especially in a foreign country.

The great thing for me has been that no one has ever had to tell me what I did or said in the time I have been sober. The spiked drink is a common stratagem and explains the phenomenon of blokes waking up in hotel rooms with no plastic, no passport, no money and if they are lucky a sore head; dead if they are unlucky. Life becomes so much simpler..... but that doesn't mean easy. As they say the great thing about being sober is you get your feelings, the worst thing about being sober is you get your feelings back. <ore power to your elbow.

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Gone quiet again guys, would be interesting as Jemjem said to plot your progress, even if you return to drinking, would be interesting to hear the reasoning. On another note, there have recent reports of injury/assaut to foreigners, many of them incapacitated, or at some stage in the proceedings judgement impaired by alcohol, another good reason to stay in control of your drinking, especially in a foreign country.

I would hazard a guess that a lot of mishaps, injuries, etc, etc, to foreigners in Thailand have a drug or alcohol component in them somewhere.

Anyhow, I'd love to hear how everyone is doing out there. I hope all is well.

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Hey, folks. My sober run ended at day 77. This was about 4 weeks ago. Since then, I have had 3 more times of going out and getting drunk, plus 2 times of moderate drinking. Yes, sadly, overall in that 4-week period, that's a lot more drinking than I had hoped for.

However, another longish run starts for me (well, it started 2 days ago actually). I plan not to drink at all till May 4 (I have a ticket to a dance music event that day) and I am confident I will succeed. My aim for now is to REDUCE my overall alcohol intake and I think I have done reasonably well since late last year (but as I wrote above, this last 4-week period was not good, as I overdid the drinking).

If I can keep having occasional longish sober runs (let's say 15-60 day runs) and occasional 'only-moderate-drinking sessions', and some rare drunk times , I will consider myself quite successful and content. I know some of you might think this would not be a success but oh well, what can I say. I think I can always improve, bit by bit, anyway. And, one day, I might decide to totally quit drinking.

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Thanks for "reporting" back Jemjem, great overall improvement, the ambition to continue to have dry spells is also a good sign you wish to keep control, Like many who continue to drink, but have long periods of abstinence, you are always in danger of crossing the line on occasion. I have always believed that drunk days remind people of the need to stay sober, but are not the driver for sobriety.Your challenge is when you do allow yourself to drink, have more days where you are strong and manage to drink moderately.....this takes practice and real self control, I maintain that stopping drinking is not an option at some stages in life, I know this because for years I would never have given abstinence a second thought. In my case although controlling my drinking if I drink is difficult, the overiding factor these days is that getting drunk would not enhance my enjoyment of an occasion, rather spoil it for those who care for me. Keep going, I can understand that you accept the occasional step over the line, your strength is that you have built awareness of the dangers of such actions. So were you able to identify if there were any 'triggers' that led to the drunk occasions, that maybe could have been avoided, was there external social pressure, I'm thinking here that you did not open a bottle of vodka and sit at home getting pissed or did you? smile.png

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Hey, folks. My sober run ended at day 77. This was about 4 weeks ago. Since then, I have had 3 more times of going out and getting drunk, plus 2 times of moderate drinking. Yes, sadly, overall in that 4-week period, that's a lot more drinking than I had hoped for.

However, another longish run starts for me (well, it started 2 days ago actually). I plan not to drink at all till May 4 (I have a ticket to a dance music event that day) and I am confident I will succeed. My aim for now is to REDUCE my overall alcohol intake and I think I have done reasonably well since late last year (but as I wrote above, this last 4-week period was not good, as I overdid the drinking).

If I can keep having occasional longish sober runs (let's say 15-60 day runs) and occasional 'only-moderate-drinking sessions', and some rare drunk times , I will consider myself quite successful and content. I know some of you might think this would not be a success but oh well, what can I say. I think I can always improve, bit by bit, anyway. And, one day, I might decide to totally quit drinking.

Hey JemJem thanks for posting.

When you "evaluate" your recent drinking do you associate any of it with having a good time? You don't mention this. Was it fun? Did you have a nice time with your mates and buddies? Did you do things you regret? What was it like? If you feel able, please share

Please also be aware I will never tell you that you are an alcoholic and I will never tell you that you are not: only you can decide that for yourself. Beware of people who try to persuade you either way. It can only be your decision. Keep well. G

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